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1 posted on 08/11/2013 6:48:56 AM PDT by NCjim
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"Part of this idiocy stems from a hyper-liberal view of history which views European Christianity as inherently evil. It permeates the culture of academia; and refuses to see the real evil of Islam.

"Sadly, a second cause is an ancillary residue of historiography which has a tradition of exaggerating the real crimes of Catholicism out of all proportion. The Spanish call this exaggeration the Black Legend of the Inquisition; and it results in a pseudo-acquittal of Islam, by blaming the Crusades on Catholicism."

2 posted on 08/11/2013 6:52:11 AM PDT by La Lydia
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I am no historian by any means , but Muslims appear to be a fairly peaceful people as long as there are not too many of them.

A new Crusade to lower their numbers would lead to a more peaceful world.


4 posted on 08/11/2013 6:57:48 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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Mohammed's successor, Abu Bakr

Abe Baker, I'll have to remember that name.

7 posted on 08/11/2013 7:07:45 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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Thank you for this article.

It’s become more pronounced since 9-11-2001. In order to justify the attack, IMO.


8 posted on 08/11/2013 7:11:44 AM PDT by Bratch
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The sad part...?

“One may condemn the atrocities of the Crusaders, but what infuriates the objective student of history is that the far greater crimes of Islam are ignored.”

...nothing has changed.

Thank you, NCjim, for the article.


9 posted on 08/11/2013 7:13:29 AM PDT by moovova
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My wife and I were out yesterday visiting various rug stores. As is very often the case, a number of these retailers were run by folks of ME “descent”. It actually made my skin crawl...made me nervous to be there.

Irrational feelings? Maybe.

Rational and prudent feelings? Probably.


10 posted on 08/11/2013 7:22:01 AM PDT by moovova
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Too bad Mohammed wasn’t buried with a silver spike driven through his heart.

Vampires and their followers are hard to kill.


11 posted on 08/11/2013 7:30:08 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (Vol. 2)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/713/713-h/713-h.htm

From that volume:

“The Crusades”

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/713/713-h/713-h.htm#chap01

published in 1852


12 posted on 08/11/2013 7:31:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one)
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As long as we’re correcting the lies told about the crusades.
Let’s also correct the lies told about Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan did not destroy and pillage like I was always told. The Khan wanted a large empire for commerce. His armies conquered cities and changed governments. He allowed the citizens to keep their businesses, religion and freedoms, he just wanted trade. The only exceptions were Islamic cities. These gave him so many problems that his only course of action was to raze them to the ground. He could not negotiate with them and could not allow them to exist as they were a danger to everyone around them. The Khan did not destroy Christian, Hindu or even Pagan cities, just Islamic.


14 posted on 08/11/2013 7:37:42 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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I see the crusades as a kind of peremptory action by the west. The Saracens were causing a lot of trouble in the Mediterranean basin and beyond in those days. The west decided the best thing to do was to take the fight to them.


16 posted on 08/11/2013 7:44:10 AM PDT by virgil
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Why do we let the word "Crusades" be defined as "mean" and "hurtful", when the word "jihad" is not? It's not like the mooselimbs were ever ever downtrodden (Ottoman Empire, anyone?). Besides, the Crusades were only responses to the mooselimbs attacks on Europe.

Doesn't anyone study or know history anymore, or do they just listen to and believe everything they hear and read from the agenda-driven "news" media?

I say we should announce a new Crusade to rid the earth of the filthy radical mooselimb bent on destroying and subjugating the West. And really do it.

17 posted on 08/11/2013 7:47:05 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Islam always was, is now and always will be, a vicious evil predatory plague on civilization. Offering nothing of value, it takes or destroys everything. It needs to be extirpated and its adherents converted or confined to the de4sert wastes which spawned them.


19 posted on 08/11/2013 7:53:28 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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IF WE HAD ONLY FINISHED THE CRUSADES WITHOUT TREATY.


26 posted on 08/11/2013 8:09:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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A corollary to this mythos is to cite the "golden Age" of Islamic Spain, aka Andalusia, as a time when benevolent Muslim overlords governed happy Christians and Jews in a great fellowship of "Children of the Book". Many propagandists have spread the concept that for a period of 300 years from the late 800s (A.D.) to the mid 1100s, the Islamic conquers of Visigothic Hispania 711-730 A.D., were kind and considerate to their Christian and Jewish subjects.

Perhaps by comparison to other eras and regions of conquest, maybe they were, but it was hardly a "Golden Age"! At no known time were the non-Muslims not subject to second-class status and increased taxation. Mass deportations and executions met most efforts to equalize the status of non-Muslims. While the Taifa rulers (local princes) were frequently weak and thus inclined to a "let live" religious and social tolerance, the relatively frequent waves of Muslim fundamentalism caused significant periods of intolerance and bloody repression in the 750 year period of Islamic Spain.

People tend to forget this period as explanation of why reconquered Christian Spain was so steeled in doctrine and orthodoxy and felt the need to expel Muslims, Jews and later Protestants as dangerous to what they had labored to reclaim. Remember that, even now, proponents of the "Islamic Caliphate" claim all of Spain and Portugal as part of Islam under the doctrine of once conquered, never given up.

35 posted on 08/11/2013 8:18:12 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government governs best when it governs least!)
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BTTT


42 posted on 08/11/2013 8:53:58 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Disproportionalism seems to be a common malady of western historians


43 posted on 08/11/2013 8:55:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken .)
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“but do we remember that Islamic predation that was the real agent which caused the Dark Ages.”


Good article, but I find that statement to be a bit of a stretch. I think plague was the main causes of the Dark Ages. Plus, a portion of the Dark Ages were literally dark because of a large volcanic eruption.

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080311/full/news.2008.665.html


45 posted on 08/11/2013 9:13:36 AM PDT by chessplayer
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Weekly, I pester my priest and the bishop to fund an armed force to protect Christians in the Middle East. Granted, they are low level but in the “chain of command,” so to speak and one has to start somewhere.


53 posted on 08/11/2013 10:47:54 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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62 posted on 08/11/2013 2:53:38 PM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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