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Non-English speakers can be jurors, New Mexico court says
Fox News ^ | August 13, 2013 | AP

Posted on 08/13/2013 7:40:08 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi

The New Mexico Supreme Court is cautioning the state's trial courts that citizens who don't speak English have the right to serve on juries.

The court issued the admonition in a ruling that upholds an Albuquerque man's convictions for murder and other crimes in the bludgeoning death of his girlfriend and a subsequent armed robbery and stabbing.

Michael Samora's appeal argued that his convictions should be reversed because the Bernalillo County court excused a Spanish-speaking prospective juror who had trouble understanding English.

The Supreme Court says it agrees with that argument but also says Samora's defense needed to object during the trial but didn't.

The Albuquerque Journal reported that the state's Constitution "shall never be restricted, abridged or impaired on account of … (the) inability to speak, read or write the English or Spanish languages."

The ruling issued Monday tells judges and lawyers that they must use reasonable efforts to protect the rights of non-English speaking citizens to serve on juries.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: jurors; nonenglishspeaking; translators; wtfiiwnm

1 posted on 08/13/2013 7:40:08 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

How would they understand the trial, if it’s conducted in English?


2 posted on 08/13/2013 7:41:00 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

“The Supreme Court says it agrees with that argument but also says Samora’s defense needed to object during the trial but didn’t. “

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Just saying.


3 posted on 08/13/2013 7:43:03 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
That's the kind of "jury" I'd want. One that can't speaka da English.

sarc/

4 posted on 08/13/2013 7:44:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Senator Foghorn says, You should never resist being raped, robbed, beat down or murdered.)
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To: Jonty30

the same question I posed to these idiots at the CA DMV when the written test is given in 75 languages and the road signs are in English..


5 posted on 08/13/2013 7:45:13 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
The ruling issued Monday tells judges and lawyers that they must use reasonable efforts to protect the rights of non-English speaking citizens to serve on juries.

It's a freaking RIGHT to serve on a jury? How about the right of the accused to have a jury of HIS PEERS??!!

6 posted on 08/13/2013 7:45:29 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

...and if , say, the jurors are non-English speaking Muslims who have only been exposed to and have practiced sharia law their entire lives.....


7 posted on 08/13/2013 7:47:57 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Travis McGee
Paging Dr. Told-Ya-So, Dr. Told-Ya-So to the white courtesy phone, please.

Click Pic for Book Website

The takeover of New Mexico by illegal aliens was a great story (Matt's best in my humble opinion) in Domestic Enemies. In the book we read of things like juries being made of Mexican nationals, and police being illegal aliens, too! It kept me up a few nights, that's for sure! Well, a few years later we are seeing this takeover in real life.

It isn't a novel anymore.

8 posted on 08/13/2013 7:49:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Gee, are we at the point where armed rebellion is necessary?


9 posted on 08/13/2013 7:50:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Hmm, if you have non-English speakers and English speakers on the same jury, then they don’t hear the same things. An interpreter might say something in Spanish that an English speaker might interpret a different way.

I was on a jury here in CA, and because the defendant and some witnesses spoke only Spanish, NONE of the jurors could speak Spanish, because we’d hear it directly and from the interpreter, while the English-only jurors would hear only the interpreter.


10 posted on 08/13/2013 7:51:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Jonty30

I guess they can just read your body language or use some personal form of profiling, whatever it is, the judgement sure seems to say that the law, investigations, evidence, lawyer arguments and even the jury deliberations of the other 11 jurors, don’t mean anything important.

I guess in time we can shorten some trials to a quick look at the defendant and a simple thumbs up or thumbs down, based on that first impression.


11 posted on 08/13/2013 7:54:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( The difference between libertarianism and conservatism is radical social leftism, not economics)
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To: Jonty30

doesn’t matter, verdicts are decided on the basis of skin color


12 posted on 08/13/2013 7:54:34 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Jonty30
How would they understand the trial, if it’s conducted in English?

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I'm guessing translators would translate the testimony in such a way as to not interrupt the trial, and the juror would hear it via headphones.

13 posted on 08/13/2013 7:58:45 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

It’s bizarro world, I tell you, when someone who speaks NO ENGLISH would be allowed to serve as a juror in an ENGLISH ONLY trial.


14 posted on 08/13/2013 7:59:26 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
Already happening...


15 posted on 08/13/2013 7:59:26 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

The New Mexico Supreme Court is cautioning the state’s trial courts that citizens who don’t speak English have the right to serve on juries.

No they do not. If I am a defendant I have the right to a jury of my peers. My peers speak and understand ENGLISH.


16 posted on 08/13/2013 8:17:02 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Appeal due to translation bias.

It’s one thing for a translator for a witness, the prosecution/defense can ask for clarification or object. When that translation is going straight to the jury, imagine the trouble that will cause. I can easily see a defense attorney pouring over the translation after a loss and going, “wait, he used this word in translating to the juror the testimony when he should have used ‘this word’ instead.”


17 posted on 08/13/2013 8:19:35 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
the right to serve on juries

I don't think there is such a right. A duty maybe, if you are eligible.

18 posted on 08/13/2013 8:19:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi; mickie
Next, the legally blind will be allowed to get a driver's license in Nuevo Mejico.

Why not?

What difference does it make?

Leni

19 posted on 08/13/2013 8:22:19 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
I was on a jury at a trial for a Spanish speaking defendant. The court had an interpreter quietly whispering to him as the trial proceeded.

All of the jurors could speak English, but I imagine they could do the same for them during the trial.

But what about during jury deliberations? Would they allow an interpreter in there to help the jurors communicate? Has anyone other than a juror ever been allowed in the jury room during deliberations?

This seems fishy to me.

20 posted on 08/13/2013 8:22:54 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Jonty30

Hey it worked out for OJ and his jury.


21 posted on 08/13/2013 8:29:55 PM PDT by relictele (A community vigilant in enforcing economic, racial and social equality. It was called Jonestown.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
It's a freaking RIGHT to serve on a jury? How about the right of the accused to have a jury of HIS PEERS??!!

What if the defendant doesn't speak English?

22 posted on 08/13/2013 8:45:28 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

You’re traveling through another dimension — a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That’s a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!


23 posted on 08/13/2013 8:49:24 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
It's a freaking RIGHT to serve on a jury? How about the right of the accused to have a jury of HIS PEERS??!!

Spanish is a legal, official language in New Mexico and 46% of the population is Hispanic. Odds are pretty good that a Spanish language juror would be a peer.

24 posted on 08/13/2013 8:52:06 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi
There's a right to serve on a jury?

If a peremptory challenge prevents me from serving on a jury on which I want to serve, can I sue due to the violation of my right?

25 posted on 08/13/2013 8:52:09 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

so the right of a Spanish-speaker to sit on a jury trumps the right of the defendant to have a jury of his “peers” who can actually follow the proceedings and make a sound judgment on the sum total of the facts???


26 posted on 08/13/2013 8:53:11 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
No they do not. If I am a defendant I have the right to a jury of my peers. My peers speak and understand ENGLISH.

Then stay out of New Mexico. Spanish is and has been an official language of that state since New Mexico was admitted as a state in 1912.

27 posted on 08/13/2013 8:54:18 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

English should have been declared the official language of the nation ages ago. Now we’re stuck with this garbage.


28 posted on 08/13/2013 9:53:00 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: CaspersGh0sts

It is bad enough as a juror to sit in a trial with translation going on, but to then have the english portion translated for fellow jurors is too much. Then when you deliberate you again violate the privacy of the jury room with a translator.
This is the dumbest ruling that could be imagined.


29 posted on 08/13/2013 10:02:50 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Alter Kaker
Spanish is a legal, official language in New Mexico and 46% of the population is Hispanic.

Really? How so? And how different than other states?

30 posted on 08/13/2013 11:02:38 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Well that makes sense.

If the trial is held and everyone speaks Urdu then I can pass judgement based solely on my overwhelming hunger for a 9 piece chicken nugget meal from McDonalds...


31 posted on 08/13/2013 11:42:52 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Alter Kaker

Then stay out of New Mexico. Spanish is and has been an official language of that state since New Mexico was admitted as a state in 1912.
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Not according to the Albuquerque Journal just recently:

http://www.abqjournal.com/208492/news/spanish-not-enshrined-as-official-nm-language.html


32 posted on 08/14/2013 12:53:48 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Jonty30
What a pesky, racist person you must be to actually expect the jury to understand the language the trial may (or may not) be conducted in. /sarc/

Seriously, this sounds like ample grounds for appeal from any conviction.

33 posted on 08/14/2013 3:57:11 AM PDT by Pecos (Kritarchy: government by the judges)
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To: CodeToad

Thanks. BTW, Alas, Brave New Babylon should be in its finished form in a week or two.


34 posted on 08/14/2013 6:31:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: vladimir998
We're past it.


35 posted on 08/14/2013 6:38:04 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Travis McGee

“Alas, Brave New Babylon “

That’ll send a few chills down the reader’s backs.


36 posted on 08/14/2013 7:09:47 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

I don’t know how it will be received, but I wanted to put a few ideas on the record under one title.


37 posted on 08/14/2013 12:27:34 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad
My new 11,000-word short story "Alas, Brave New Babylon" should be out in a week or two.

Here's a notional "cover" I just built on Paint from an internet image on keywords "collapsed radio tower."

38 posted on 08/15/2013 11:37:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I like it. It gives that feeling of wanting to reach out but the system is broken.


39 posted on 08/15/2013 12:31:41 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

I din no.


40 posted on 08/15/2013 12:39:36 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Since when is jury duty “a right”?


41 posted on 08/15/2013 12:42:42 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Okay, I’ll answer my own question: probably since it was decided with the George Zimmerman case that the deceased had the right for the defendant to be tried by a jury of the deceased’s peers.


42 posted on 08/15/2013 12:45:10 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: CodeToad

Broken as in FUBAR.


43 posted on 08/15/2013 3:17:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

11,000 words?

Ain’t that like 40+ pages, double-spaced?


44 posted on 08/15/2013 3:27:49 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Something like that. My fifty-chapter novels run about 260,000 words, so 11,000 words is about two chapters worth.


45 posted on 08/16/2013 8:03:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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