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The Government Now Admits There's an 'Area 51'
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/government-now-admits-theres-area-51/68389/ ^ | Aug 15, 2013 | Philip Bump

Posted on 08/17/2013 4:56:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

National Security Archive / AP


(Excerpt) Read more at theatlanticwire.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aerospace; area51; coldwar; gtoomlake; mystery; paradiseranch; usaf

1 posted on 08/17/2013 4:56:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SunkenCiv; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; SierraWasp; onyx; TigersEye; justa-hairyape; GeronL; ...
fyi

Thought the maps were useful to know.

2 posted on 08/17/2013 4:58:34 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If the government is now admitting Area 51, it can
only mean they have another secret base somewhere else.

Probably the moon.


3 posted on 08/17/2013 4:58:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yawn....yeah, now that the whole world knows about it.


4 posted on 08/17/2013 5:00:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So... anything new here?

The conspiracies will have to be updated, but that’s the only new thing I anticipate from this.


5 posted on 08/17/2013 5:01:16 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In 2011 Annie Jacobsen wrote a book entitled: Area 51. It's the most reasonable book on the place I've read. No spoilers, but she offers a unique and plausible explanation for the alien space craft incident.
6 posted on 08/17/2013 5:03:27 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: tet68

They’ve probably built some huge hangers on base so they can test everything in complete secrecy.


7 posted on 08/17/2013 5:04:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: tet68
...it can only mean they have another secret base somewhere else. Probably the moon.

You know it.

It's a fact that our government is always in possession of fully developed technologies that are decades ahead of what the public knows about.

My guess is, they've now developed craft that are capable of transiting from the ground to outer space without the need of rockets, and that's the real reason they've abandoned the manned space program. Black triangles, anyone?

8 posted on 08/17/2013 5:06:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If quix were here, we’d hear about his relative who worked with alien spaceships at Area 51.


9 posted on 08/17/2013 5:07:44 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation is really starting to suck.)
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To: Windflier

Hell, look at the SR-71. Given the history of human technological development, it shouldn’t even exist for another 50 years minimum.

It was conceptualized and brought to reality just over 50 years after the invention of heavier than air powered flight?


10 posted on 08/17/2013 5:08:25 PM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Truth was always out there.

sorta like always knowing that Big Sis was/is watching/listening/tracking.

11 posted on 08/17/2013 5:08:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Windflier

You, and everybody else, would give their eyeteeth to be able to walk through the most secret industrial, technological, and military labs to see the stuff they are working on. :)


12 posted on 08/17/2013 5:08:43 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: OwenKellogg; Quix

Quix may be reading this right now.


13 posted on 08/17/2013 5:11:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Jonty30

Not me.

I don’t know, and I don’t want to know.


14 posted on 08/17/2013 5:12:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Makes sense.

They won’t kill you to keep you quiet, if you honestly don’t know.


15 posted on 08/17/2013 5:13:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: OwenKellogg

Look I had job offer to work there in the late 90’s..of course didn’t know it was to work out there till I did the first interview..all I knew was it was a tech job in las vegas I found on Monsters.com for a company called EG&G Special Projects


16 posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:25 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OK so what about Area 50?


17 posted on 08/17/2013 5:19:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Windflier

I had a supervisor some years ago who was ex air force radar engineer. He got a job with a private contractor doing radar operations. He would go to the air port in Vegas get on a private jet with the windows blacked out and get drop off with the others at an air base in the middle of the desert. He would be driven half an hour away from the air strip to a radar station in the middle of know where and told to run his radar and mark down anything he saw! they would pick him up and fly him home. That’s is all he ever saw! He speculated that it was around the time they we’re testing f-117. But that was just speculation he could not say for sure! Just in case the NSA is snooping!


18 posted on 08/17/2013 5:20:30 PM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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To: Jonty30
It's all boring and hard work (but with big budgets).

Not glamorous except when viewed from afar (more fun than the average work site though).

19 posted on 08/17/2013 5:28:15 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Next you’ll tell me Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t the lone shooter.


20 posted on 08/17/2013 5:28:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Crazieman

My grandfather used to marvel at the fact that he was born before the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk, and that he watched Neil Armstrong step foot on the moon within the same lifetime.

This is why I brought up the black triangles. Given the pace of our government’s classified technological developments, I can’t help but think that they’re real, and that they’re ours.


21 posted on 08/17/2013 5:31:41 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jonty30
You, and everybody else, would give their eyeteeth to be able to walk through the most secret industrial, technological, and military labs to see the stuff they are working on. :)

Yeah, we would, but we'd also like to leave without an extra hole in our heads for having seen what we've seen :-)

22 posted on 08/17/2013 5:33:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: cripplecreek

And Area 49.....LOL!


23 posted on 08/17/2013 5:44:33 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t write this story....


24 posted on 08/17/2013 5:48:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nobody ever asks these questions.


25 posted on 08/17/2013 5:51:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Windflier

My Father was born in July 1901. My mother in 1903.

Dad lived into his 80s, Mom into her 90s.

A lot of stuff happened in their lifetimes.

I was born in 1939.


26 posted on 08/17/2013 6:01:16 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What. No pictures of bug eyed space aliens with a half dozen heads
waving about on long stalks for necks, climbing in and out of flying
saucers. I feel sort of let down, :)
27 posted on 08/17/2013 6:05:13 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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To: Marine_Uncle
LOL....Sorry.

Now what do we do about the Roswell incident....

By the way I have been there....saw no aliens.

28 posted on 08/17/2013 6:24:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

maybe in another 50 years they’ll tell us what all was done there


29 posted on 08/17/2013 6:46:26 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Dan(9698)
I think the 20th century brought more dramatic changes to our way of life than any other century.

My granddad once told me that when he was little, the kids would chase any car they saw, because it was a rare treat to actually see one in real life. By the time he retired, there were traffic jams all around him, every day.

I sometimes wonder if the 21st century will bring as many fundamental changes to our way of life, as the preceding century did. I think it will, if we can right the disastrous state of affairs in this country.

30 posted on 08/17/2013 6:47:23 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

> Now what do we do about the Roswell incident....

By the way I have been there....saw no aliens.

All you would have had to do was drive down to the nearest Home Depot early in the morning


31 posted on 08/17/2013 7:20:55 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

32 posted on 08/17/2013 7:22:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
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To: tet68

If they have a secret base on the dark side of the moon it is buried under millions of socks and mountains of dryer lint.


33 posted on 08/17/2013 7:44:51 PM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is nothing more than a diversion from what is really important! I guess they think that by confirming what we already know will take some of the heat off all the other scandals right now.


34 posted on 08/17/2013 7:47:03 PM PDT by Circle_Hook
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I thought Area 51 had been well known for many years. Was it not the catalyst that started the stupid Roswell ET UFO myths?

Dey got dem ETs in underground vaults at Area 51, and alls de pezidents done been der to seeum, dontcha know?


35 posted on 08/17/2013 7:55:39 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Circle_Hook

Fast and Furious? IRS? NSA? Benghazi? Extortion 17/Seal Team 6?

What else?


36 posted on 08/17/2013 7:59:37 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Windflier
I think the 20th century brought more dramatic changes to our way of life than any other century.

Back in the '50s I worked in a print shop that had a little old lady in tennis shoes running one of the presses. She mentioned that her mother said had seen President Grover Cleveland. I asked her to ask her mom what was the greatest invention she had seen, figuring it was the automobile, the aeroplane, or the then-new television.

The next day she said, "You're not gonna believe this." It was the fact that people could go outside their house and turn on the hose to water the lawn. Her mom had grown up as a sod buster in Nebraska and said they used to pray to God for rain, and now you just had to turn the handle on a faucet.

37 posted on 08/17/2013 8:23:29 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Jonty30

“They’ve probably built some huge hangers on base so they can test everything in complete secrecy.”

Is there a runway at that site where the NSA is building its industrial park out west?


38 posted on 08/17/2013 8:31:36 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Oatka

Fascomatimg.


39 posted on 08/17/2013 8:32:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Crazieman

“It was conceptualized and brought to reality just over 50 years after the invention of heavier than air powered flight”

Courtesy of Kelly’s skunkworks.


40 posted on 08/17/2013 8:33:39 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Oatka

I asked my Great grandma what she thought was the greatest invention in her lifetime.

She, being 90 lbs, as an adult, said it was the electric car starter.

She had to wake her brother very early every day to crank the car starter so she could make it to her job.


41 posted on 08/17/2013 8:39:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

A Timeline of Events at Area 51 from Construction to Today! Updated May, 2013 ">

1959 - They started builting a radar cross section (RCS) to study the radar signature of mock-up designs for the next reconnaissance plane. Full-scale models were tested on a 50-foot pole, built out of welded together destroyer propeller shafts.
1960 - Fancis Gary Powers’ U-2 was shot down over the United Soviet States of Russia (USSR). Project Oxcart began in order to design the A-12 a precursor to the SR-71.
1961 - The restricted airspace expands upwards, but not outwards -- it measures five by nine nautical miles in size, but extends up to space and is designated R-4808. A year later, the Department of the Air Force expands the space again, but this time the perimeter grows to 22 by 20 nautical miles. This forms the "Groom Box," or just "the Box," as it is known today. No flights, whether commercial or military, are allowed in the restricted space (except the test flights from the base itself).
1962 - The first A-12 arrives at Groom Lake. The first test flight takes place two months after the aircraft's arrival to the base. CIA pilots arrive at the base nearly a year later to begin flight training.
1967 - The first Mig 21, a Soviet aircraft, arrives at Groom Lake. Officials name the testing program of Mig aircraft "Have Donut." Some pilots begin to call the restricted air space above Groom Lake "Red Square."
1970 - Area 51 also hosts a very important project for the military. Since the 1970s, the U.S. Air Force has been testing the capabilities of Russian and foreign aircraft at Area 51 in mock dogfights. This continues today.
1977 - Years before the public became aware of the Stealth Fighter, the first F117 prototype arrives at Area 51. It's called the "Have Blue." That same year, the United States Geological Survey takes an aerial-photo of the base. The photo appears in numerous publications and is available until 1994, when the government withdraws it from release.
1982 - The first flight of the vehicle known as "Tacit Blue" takes place at Groom Lake. Like the F-117A, Tacit Blue is a stealth vehicle.
1984 - The base petitions for an additional 89,000 acres of land to increase the size of restricted space around the facility. Guards had previously discouraged the public from entering this area before it was officially withdrawn, raising concern and criticism from locals and tourists. The request is ratified by Congress three years later.
1988 - A Soviet satellite photographs Area 51. "Popular Science" runs the photograph, giving most U.S. citizens their first chance to glimpse the secret base. That same year, Robert Frost, a civilian employee at Area 51, dies. An autopsy shows that his body contained high levels of dangerous chemicals like dioxin, trichloroethylene and dibenzofuran. His widow, Helen, files a lawsuit against several government officials, claiming her husband died as a result of exposure to dangerous chemicals.
1989 - Robert Lazar appears on television and claims to have worked on reverse engineering alien technology at a site not far from Groom Lake. 1995 - Area 51 acquires two locations popular with tourists and curious locals. Freedom Ridge and White Sides Peak. President Clinton signs an executive order exempting Area 51 from legislation and investigation in order to preserve national security.
1996 - Nevada names Route 375, formerly known as the "loneliest highway in America," the "Extraterrestrial Highway." Skeptics around the world groan in unison.
1997 - Area 51 is declassified, though all operations at the facility are still kept secret.
1997 - Lt. Col. Philip Corso is interviewed on both radio and television saying that rumors swirling around Roswell are in fact true. He claims that the the US government developed technologies from artifacts collected from down space craft. These include (but are not limited to) lasers (particle beams), bullet proof material (kevlar), integrated circuits, fiber optics, night vision instruments,etc.
2007 - It appears that crews are building a new hangar, much larger than the existing hangar. One Web site claims the hangar's size to be 200 by 500 feet and 100 feet tall.
2011 - Annie Jacobson writes a best seller (Area 51, an Uncensored History) theorizing that Stalin sent grotesque, child-size aviators bred as horrific human experiments to Area 51 for the express purpose of sending the United States into a panic.
2011 - Experts speculate that all the sensitive material and most of the operations have been move to what is now dubbed Area 52, the Dugway Proving Grounds.
2013 - It is estimated that there are between 1600 - 2300 employees currently working at Area 51. The majority are military personnel, government employees and government contractor.

42 posted on 08/17/2013 9:26:36 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Jonty30

I’d almost rather not know, given the nature of the current and probable future regimes. All those goodies are likely going to be used against interests of the people.


43 posted on 08/17/2013 9:27:54 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Windflier
Same with my grandfather. Born in 1890 and died in 1987 so he even saw the shuttle program. He was 17 when the first automobile drove into the county he lived in. His earliest memory at three years old was of standing under the seat of a wagon as the family, horses and wagons were crossing the Missouri River on a horse-drawn barge. His family was moving out to "Indian country" in the Sand Hills of Nebraska.

He even had a story about having a major injury healed by an Indian medicine woman. He was setting a logging chain on logs and one of his brothers started the horse team too soon. The hook on the chain snagged his calf and tore a big hole in it. He was five years old at the time.

44 posted on 08/18/2013 8:58:40 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
RE: "By the way I have been there....saw no aliens."

ROLF! Perhaps they where just hiding from you. On a
serious note. The post sparked my interest in looking the
area over a bit using Google Earth. I had not a clue there
where so many runways in all directions.No response
required. Just a note on my part.
45 posted on 08/18/2013 12:21:51 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......)
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