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Chicago Tribune calls for a delay in implementating #obamacare.
Redstate ^ | August 19th, 2013 | Moe Lane

Posted on 08/20/2013 6:26:42 AM PDT by xzins

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1 posted on 08/20/2013 6:26:42 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

Hmmm.


2 posted on 08/20/2013 6:27:26 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: xzins

I still don’t see a GOP counter-proposal.

Just saying.


3 posted on 08/20/2013 6:28:10 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: gov_bean_ counter
The bill plus enabling regulations may almost fit into one of these crates.


5 posted on 08/20/2013 6:30:39 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: xzins
Damned dirty Republicans! Standing in the way of 30 million people getting health care!

Oh. Wait a minute. The Chicago Tribune did you say?

Re-calibrating outrage.

6 posted on 08/20/2013 6:30:47 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

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7 posted on 08/20/2013 6:32:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: upchuck

That’s the point, ObamaCare is SUPPOSED to fail. It’s failure will be the trigger for single payer.


9 posted on 08/20/2013 6:34:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Why does there have to be one?


10 posted on 08/20/2013 6:34:25 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Counter proposal?

How about just a re-set to the way things were before Obama and his minions screwed up the world’s best healthcare.


11 posted on 08/20/2013 6:35:00 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: xzins

Take a portion of the funding scheduled for Obamacare, Buy a can of WD40. Spray the lock and hinges on Alxatrazz front gate.

Insert all people in DC that TOUCHED anything to do with this fiasco.

Weld gate shut.

Forget the place exists.

Done.


12 posted on 08/20/2013 6:35:27 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A “counter proposal” is to return to a free market solution.


13 posted on 08/20/2013 6:37:22 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Perdogg; xzins

Ping!


14 posted on 08/20/2013 6:42:27 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: John W

America needs to have healthcare for all Americans.

All Americans.

Our economy is shedding jobs. People who had healthcare are losing that coverage, and we continue to shed jobs.

We need to bring BACK American jobs, and we need to offer something national regarding healthcare.

What we have now, is simply the most expensive, most wasteful system in the history of civilization.

Bar none.

We have plenty of affordable healthcare, but then there are (a lot) of Americans who have nothing.

Nothing.

That is not acceptable.

We need the GOP to get off the sideline and propose something. Something which honestly helps Americans, and helps all Americans who are currently on the sidelines.

NOW.


15 posted on 08/20/2013 6:44:15 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”I still don’t see a GOP counter-proposal.”

As bad as Obama-care gets as long as more people are covered under it than were without it the Dems will win the public opinion battle, esp if the GOP position is ‘things were great before O-care’ . Wait till the medicaid expansion.

Now if they (GOP) could effectively trot out victims of Obama care on camera and get them at town hall meetings and in front of congress telling horror stories then they would be fighting back.

To your point : I can see where a GOP POTUS nominee is going to have real problems against Hillary if he has to say that things were great in 2008 to get through his 2016 primary.

16 posted on 08/20/2013 6:51:55 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: dfwgator
It’s failure will be the trigger for single payer.

I know that's the conventional wisdom, but wouldn't a move to single-payer require a law as grand as "Obamacare" in order to implement? I thoroughly believe Obamacare will fail, but just because it does, doesn't mean the government will automatically default to rule by fiat. And while it's wishful thinking, I would hope that the GOP would jump in at some point and say, "it's time to return to the old system, with a few tweaks..."

17 posted on 08/20/2013 6:54:32 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: xzins

Let’s take a look back in time at all the things these whorenalists said when The Conservaitves TOLD THEM THE SAME THING years ago...?

shall we?


18 posted on 08/20/2013 6:58:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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RE :”We need the GOP to get off the sideline and propose something. Something which honestly helps Americans, and helps all Americans who are currently on the sidelines.”

Don't hold your breath for that
but I been saying for a couple years now that instead of these silly symbolic house fake repeals the GOP should have been promoting a bill that lets individual states completely opt out of Obama-care including the taxes and mandates.(and make it deficit neutral, a toxic idea for many here if it means higher taxes even on blue states)

So the Blue states stay in and the Red states jump out, and the purple states???

Then the red states could do nothing, or they could try their own reform and we can see how the blue states do.

19 posted on 08/20/2013 7:00:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; Cringing Negativism Network; Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe
propose something

I'll propose something. Let's go back to what we had before the ObamaCare crap hit the streets. There was no one uncovered. If someone was sick, they showed up at the hospital and they were treated.

More importantly, we have the best health care in the world: whether treatment, research, facilities, specialties, etc., we have the best in the world.

My grandson is being treated right now for a type of cancer. They are harvesting stem cells from his own body and these will be grown, reintroduced to his body, and will immeasurably aid in his treatment. Afterwards, they do some variety of immune cell therapy created by the best minds in the world. If you want the best, then you make it worth their while. If you want Tylenol prescribers, then you rename your EMS level workers as doctors. But you get what you pay for.

For this we need the best doctors in the world, and they need to be paid at world-class levels to bring the best minds into health care. ObamaCare already has folks talking about our best and brightest going elsewhere to seek their fortune.

In Luke 5, Jesus said that the sick need a physician (Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. )

Obama is driving the physicians out of the practice.

Jesus says they do and Obama says they don't.

My plan: leave the best system in the world alone.

20 posted on 08/20/2013 7:12:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Forget the place exists.”

Drone strike.... There, fixed it.


21 posted on 08/20/2013 7:12:49 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Irony in it’s purest form.


22 posted on 08/20/2013 7:14:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
OMG did you really just say that nonsense?

What are you doing here on a site for smart people?

Asking The GOVERNMENT to “offer something national regarding health-care.” will get you nothing but bigger government

You are believing the lie. There is NO ONE who would be refused emergency care in any hospital in the USA

So the “30 million” without insurance are already sponging off the rest of us... and you want a GOVERNMENT PROGRAM to fix that????????

A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM??????????????

before the government got involved in health care doctors used to make house calls and everyone was taken care of by friends and neighbors and charities- all the government did was make it big and fat an bloated so that 70% of the money is lost in the bureaucracy (like EVERY government program)

Don't display your idiocy here... Demanding that “we must do something” will fly much better on libtard sites.

23 posted on 08/20/2013 7:17:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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RE :”I’ll propose something. Let’s go back to what we had before the ObamaCare crap hit the streets. There was no one uncovered. If someone was sick, they showed up at the hospital and they were treated. “

Here in Maryland they tax hospital bills of those of us who pay to go into a fund to pay for those hospital bills from those that have no insurance.

So while in some states that appears to be on the surface free soaking the hospitals(who have to charge someone for it BTW), here we get a direct bill for it that we see.

Congress created this problem under Reagan.

That definitely doesnt work.

24 posted on 08/20/2013 7:20:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Mr. K

Sorry at the moment our government has insisted that “healthcare” is a government-enforced monopoly.

I have no sympathy for free-market appeals, regarding a system which has more government mandates than any other aspect of America.

If we are going to free markets, then eliminate the massive, expensive and unfair system we have now,

THEN I will fight tooth and nail, for your freedom to insist we protect such a system.

That is NOT what we have now.

What we have now, is simply expensive, and grossly unfair to far too many Americans.


25 posted on 08/20/2013 7:24:01 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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RE :”If someone was sick, they showed up at the hospital and they were treated”

yeah, soak those greedy hospitals by forcing them to be charities, how dare they try to break even?

How ‘compassionate’

26 posted on 08/20/2013 7:24:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

and you think demanding that THE GOVERNMENT fix it will help ?

It will only make it 10 times worse.


27 posted on 08/20/2013 7:34:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: sickoflibs; xzins

No, it’s not “compassion”, it only looks like it on the surface. They overbill me and mine and others to recoup the expense of the “charitable” treatment...just like all the rest of the folks who get emergency treatment at little to no costs.

Ever wonder why an MRI is billed at say $1500 but is only “allowed” $350 or so? Why are 2 Tylenol $50? Because they’re trying to get money from others to recover their “charity”.

Concierge services are where it’s at...get the damnable insurance companies, lawyers, politicians and the rest of the scum out of the medical profession.


28 posted on 08/20/2013 7:37:48 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Mr. K

All I am saying is Obamacare is the Democrat’s solution to a very real problem.

The Republicans do not have a counter-solution.

Therefore, the Republicans are losing this issue. 100%. The GOP needs a real, intelligent counter-proposal.

A solution. Where the heck are all those arguing against the Democrat proposal, with their own counter-proposal.

A real, solution.

I have seen no indication the GOP is in any way, interested in solving this (very real) problem.


29 posted on 08/20/2013 7:38:25 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The ONLY real solution is to get the government totally out of it

If the democrats ran the computer industry we would all still be using DOS version 15 on 286 based desktops


30 posted on 08/20/2013 7:41:13 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mr. K

I disagree.

The government is in healthcare, bigtime.

If you want to get the government out of healthcare, I’m all for that and I support you 100%.

Unfortunately government involvement in healthcare is massive.

Therefore, we need to make that government involvement fair.

That is the difference in our views.

If you cannot get MY support, how in the world do you propose to get the support of people who currently oppose everything else you also support?

I am very much on our side on a bunch of issues.

But this is not one.

Our healthcare system is an absolute mess.


31 posted on 08/20/2013 7:46:11 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: sickoflibs; Cringing Negativism Network; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

I couldn’t care less how the old system was viewed. It resulted in the best medical treatment in the history of the world.

If it was broke, then someone forgot to tell those who had hearts restored, cancer cured, limbs re-attached, and lives extended.

Anything that goes on the cheap with the doctors and researchers is something I don’t support.

Anything that advances better organization, management, efficiencies, etc., is something I would support. That isn’t ObamaCare, it isn’t single payer, it isn’t anything with any kind of death panel, and it isn’t anything dreamed up on the spur of the moment by a bunch of rinos so they have an alternative plan for political purposes.


32 posted on 08/20/2013 7:46:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SZonian

See #32. Should have pinged you. Sorry.


33 posted on 08/20/2013 7:48:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I think maybe the difference in our opinions, has to do with government service.

I have been a private individual my entire life.

I am not covered by the government.

I believe that is the reason for our wide difference in views. I do not have a government program to protect me. That is why I am not pleased with the current system.

I believe this is the critical difference.

It is a critical difference.


34 posted on 08/20/2013 7:55:01 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: xzins

Lots of posts removed here. Should be an alterate site for them, a dump site for the naughty posts. Make it a pay site, help with the bills! :)


35 posted on 08/20/2013 7:55:08 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: xzins

meh, no worries.

I have thicker skin than that to get spooled up about being forgotten in a post. Pales in comparison to what your family is going through right now.

Prayers for your family and your son, I hope the prognosis for your son is good.

Best,
SZ


36 posted on 08/20/2013 7:57:55 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We don’t need a government run healthcare system, even one proposed by “Republicans”.

ObamaCare was based on RomneyCare, and Romney himself advised Obama way back when to do a national version. RomneyCare advisors were consulted about the thing.

http://mittromneycentral.com/op-eds/2009-op-eds/mr-president-whats-the-rush/

White House consulted RomneyCare advisors to shape ObamaCare

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/10/11/340381/white-house-consulted-romneycare-advisers-to-shape-obamacare/

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/11/uh-oh-obama-consulted-romney-advisers-on-obamacare/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44854320/ns/politics-decision_2012/t/white-house-used-mitt-romney-health-care-law-blueprint-federal-law/#.UhODLLyp2Bs
...

We do not need a “counterproposal” from the dimwits. All we need is a bill that would allow hospitals to compete and offer their own health plans, to allow physician-owned hospitals and charity hospitals to expand and to be created.

We don’t need RomeybamaCare and we are better off without a “replacement”


37 posted on 08/20/2013 7:58:06 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: SZonian

Thanks, SZ, for those kind words.


38 posted on 08/20/2013 8:02:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

geez.. i had to re-read your post to make sure I got it- it is so fundamentally stupid at a level i have not seen on FR in years.

You talk about how there is laready massive intrusion in heath care by the government and yet miss the point that it is for that reason there is a problem in the first place, and say we need more government intrusion to fix it??????

seriously? is that what you mean? There is massive government intrusion so we need MORE government intrusion?


39 posted on 08/20/2013 8:03:17 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Mr. K

I am saying the GOP had best get with the program and propose a series of real solution to very real problems, or the Democrats will absolutely own this issue.

Where is the GOP solution?

(hint: zip so-far)


40 posted on 08/20/2013 8:06:28 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Norm Lenhart

Now that’s a great “counter proposal”!!!! Seriously.


41 posted on 08/20/2013 8:29:50 AM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: ogen hal

It’s solid. And libs should support it because I searched my ‘feelings’ about it before posting. ;)

So everyone haZ a happy!


42 posted on 08/20/2013 8:35:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Their solution should be to repeal obamacare and order a full-scale removal of all government restraints and controls on health care

Put it back to the free market, like it should be.


43 posted on 08/20/2013 9:26:16 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: xzins
"Bottom line: Let’s delay and rewrite this ill-conceived law."

Here, let me have a stab at it.

Obamacare

There. I'm done.

44 posted on 08/20/2013 9:27:44 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: dfwgator
That’s the point, ObamaCare is SUPPOSED to fail. It’s failure will be the trigger for single payer.

Hell, the entire economy is suppose to fail so we can be converted over to neo-feudalism.

45 posted on 08/20/2013 9:32:48 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

you need to read this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/starry-eyed_liberal_meets_the_reality_of_medicaid_patients.html?utm_source=08-20-12&utm_campaign=AT+Newsletter+08-20-13&utm_medium=email


46 posted on 08/20/2013 9:51:51 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: sickoflibs

” Now if they (GOP) could effectively trot out victims of Obama care on camera and get them at town hall meetings and in front of congress telling horror stories then they would be fighting back”

Very good idea.


47 posted on 08/20/2013 9:53:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Maybe, given it’s NON-popularity, it’s good for the dems to own Obamacare.


48 posted on 08/20/2013 9:54:21 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: sickoflibs; Cringing Negativism Network; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; ...

Competition for insurance across state lines.

Cap the legal settlements at 250,000 + medical care expenses.

This would cut medical costs by up to 25%.


49 posted on 08/20/2013 10:04:13 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: xzins

What I’d like to know is who, and how many, actually sat down at a computer and wrote this thing?

They call this a “quirk”. Still trying to say it’s not the democrats’ fault.

Admin: I don’t know if it’s legal to post a link to cnbc. If not, please, delete.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100972664?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=100972664%7CObamacare%20quirk:%20Your%20ins


50 posted on 08/20/2013 10:16:24 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (When you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil.)
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