but seriousl
y if the entire mooselim world were to disappear tomorrow what a wonderful world it would be.
Posted on 08/25/2013 6:11:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
...In the past few years, Turkish government officials used a treaty signed between Ottoman and Iranian delegates in the city of Qasr-e Shirin to describe how the borders of the two countries have remained unchanged since the agreement was signed in 1639, a widely accepted myth...
Since the famous agreement, six states have been established in both countries (two in Turkey and four in Iran) and the borders had changed for ten times, the last time in 1931...
When Turkey kicked off its ambitious foreign policy in the region under the leadership of its popular prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, his then adviser and later Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu tried to assure the neighboring countries that Turkey’s rise is peaceful and that it only aims to advance peace in the region. Davutoğlu’s goal was to cultivate relations among countries in Turkey’s vicinity by abolishing visa requirements, creating free trade zones, and constantly holding high-level political consultations. Deepening ties with Iran was a cornerstone of this project that is now crumbling after Iran has started to sabotage Turkey’s interests in the region...
In a region of constantly shifting ground, Turkey failed to maintain these ties and it still refuses to publicly acknowledge that Iran is to blame for much of the foreign policy mess Turkey is involved in in neighboring countries.
Turkey’s mistake was to put too much trust on Iran’s conduct of foreign policy. Without having any kind of bargaining deal, Ankara shielded Iran against the fourth round of U.N. Security Council sanctions at the expense of its strategic ties with the United States. It also prevented NATO from openly describing its anti-missile radar system stationed in Turkey as an installation built against Iran.
(Excerpt) Read more at english.alarabiya.net ...
G’night.
Can they both lose?
As long as they lose in the right order — Iran first, then Turkey.
And then we can go back to Constantinople.
Turkey is the cork in the bottle, and it’s a cork we don’t want to toss out. Erdogan has been a disaster for Turkey, and if he had the resources that, say, Hitler had, he’d have gone to war by now. He’s alienated every neighboring country that hadn’t previously been an enemy, basically burned down Turkey’s relationship with NATO and the EU, and spent ten years on attack against Israel, the only reliable ally Turkey had in the immediate vicinity. The mini-common market (it’s discussed in the op-ed) his regime tried to build is completely gone now, utterly rubbished.
The only prospect for Turkey is to make peace with Kurdistan, part of which Turkey occupies, and help the Kurds engineer their own nation, carved out of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey itself. Whatever deal they thought they could get from, say, Iraq, will be much less than they’ll be able to get from Kurdistan, which will be in a symbiotic relationship with Turkey and basically in a state of war with every other neighbor. It’ll be cool if it happens.
Obama’s moolim brotherhood pal is the president of Turkey. Hussein is doing all he can to help his pal overthrow every government in the middle east.
No...first Turkey...then everything islamic crumbles.
No...first Turkey...then everything islamic crumbles.
G’night Civ - see you in the morning...
Maybe the afternoon, and that’s a big *maybe*.
I’m not sure why but I’m adding you to my prayers tonight...
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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U.S. support for Turkey vis-a-vis Iran - cannot be without U.S. demands - Erdogan out, for a start, otherwise we are just helping one Islamist - Sunni Erdogan, against other Islamists, the Shia theocrats in Iran - another Middle East contest in which we, in the long term, do not have a dog in that race
Turkey is in NATO, and is preferable to any of the other major players (other than Israel) in the Near East, so, yes, the US does have a dog in that race. And anything that undermines our Russian enemy is a good idea.
Turkey may be in NATO, but under Erdogan Turkey has been attempting to make of itself a regional power and player and NOT in the mold of the NATO alliance but as an independent player and power on its own.
Add to that Erdogan’s continued and increasing Islamization of Turkey, and one can begin to see the outlines of the rest of NATO questioning what Turkey may yet pull them into and just because its Turkey and she’s still in NATO should they be agreeing with Turkey or not.
For now, yes, Turkey is in NATO and if there is any actual threat to Turkey, her NATO partners will come to her aid.
But, continued Islamization of Turkey and continued pursuit by Turkey to make of itself an “Islamic” power, and independent Islamic power, in contention in the region for Islamic leadership, with the likes of Iran and the Saudis, as a Turkish “national interest”, then Turkey will be drawing itself away from the purposed of the NATO alliance and Turkey may have to contend itself, someday, with some scrape it gets itself into, in pursuit of that kind of independent Islamist agenda.
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