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A Devastating Affirmative-Action Failure: Predictable Results from a Berkeley Case Study
National Review ^ | 08/26/2013 | Heather MacDonald

Posted on 08/26/2013 7:12:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Rummyfan

It’s 2013 and there is a black dorm at Berkeley?

Yes. My daughter (Berkeley student) tells me music blasts out of there at full volume 24/7.

With that said, there are VERY few black students at Berkeley and they are desperate to import more.


81 posted on 08/26/2013 9:25:53 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (Oh, What Fresh Hell Is This??)
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To: RipSawyer
When compulsory K-12 single payer schools were first imposed in the U.S. there were riots in some places with deaths.

I see many similar comparisons between the imposition of socialist-entitlement and single-payer Obamacare and socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling.

And...The same arguments used with schooling such as, “Gee! If we could go back to the ole K-12 system,,”, will be used with socialist and single-payer helathcare.

82 posted on 08/26/2013 9:26:56 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Rummyfan

yeah...I bet other races feel soooooo welcome in the black dorm. They’re allowed to segregate themselves, then wonder why they’re not included in other groups. Simply NOT amazing, I’m sure the idea is to boost confidence (have “like” peers around you) but it will have the opposite effect....as usual with liberal policies.


83 posted on 08/26/2013 9:27:52 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: RipSawyer
On the other hand overconfidence causes one to believe he already possesses knowledge and skills when in fact he is lacking.

It's worse than that. Average black IQ is 80 vs 100 for whites. 80% of blacks have a lower IQ than the average white person. This is why blacks will never be represented in the professions in numbers proportional to their presence in the general population. Per capita, far more blacks than whites lack the raw talent to acquire the knowledge and skills necessary to enter those professions. Telling them to work harder is a lot like telling elite white athletes to keep plugging away at winning the 100m sprint at the Olympics.

84 posted on 08/26/2013 9:29:10 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
By comparison, some of those I worked with had come up through "all-black" but CATHOLIC parochial schools. Same demographic population, same cultural background, but NO "affirmative action" grade/performance inflation. THOSE blacks could compete on an equal level with any other employee of the company of comparable academic background.

I'd argue that your problem employees would have flunked out of those schools. Effort is a wonderful thing, but there's no substitute for native intelligence when it comes to technical fields.

85 posted on 08/26/2013 9:35:22 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
And calling a black student Cal/Berkeley material does not make him so.

calling any student who is not Cal Berkeley material Cal Berkeley material, does not make him so...

86 posted on 08/26/2013 9:35:25 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: SMARTY
In grade school, we HAD to diagram sentences and do all the other writing and reading assignments in order to pass to the next grade. Failing a class was VERY much a possibility.

as a homeschooling momma, i had my oldest son take pre-algebra two years in a row even though he averaged a "C" the first year... i could not see him moving on to something more difficult without having mastered what was basic to the next level...it was one of the best decisions i have made in regards to his schooling... the following year he aced it and has excelled in mathematics since... i know that math is developmental... the first year he was not ready to grasp it at his full potential...

87 posted on 08/26/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Flightdeck
UC is a state College

California has two College systems:

University System : Berkeley, UCLA, Irvine, Santa Barbara, etc.
"State Colleges" : Cal State Long Beach, Cal State Fullerton, Cal State San Diego, etc.

I was referring to those schools when I said "state colleges"

In general the "State colleges" do not offer PhD programs and have less stringent entrance requirements , while the Universities do have PhD programs and are more difficult to enter.

To confuse issues even further: The official name of Long beach State is: California State University at Long Beach.

But no one, including the alumnae (I am one), call it that. We call it: Cal State Long Beach.

88 posted on 08/26/2013 9:46:27 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"I'd argue that your problem employees would have flunked out of those schools. Effort is a wonderful thing, but there's no substitute for native intelligence when it comes to technical fields."

Quite possibly so, but if he had failed out, then he would not have had the elevated expectations of supposedly having MS level credentials, and being incapable of doing the work.

This is the problem with AA as practiced today....it is in reality a "performance reduced" quota system. The same as are women in the military, police, fire occupations.

AA as originally postulated was "supposed" to be based on testing all applicants "equally" and not artificially failing those that happened to be of a higher melanin content.....if it had ever been done that way, then it would have been a great positive.

89 posted on 08/26/2013 9:51:02 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

Deval Patrick is another one...


90 posted on 08/26/2013 9:51:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: latina4dubya
And calling a black student Cal/Berkeley material does not make him so.

calling any student who is not Cal Berkeley material Cal Berkeley material, does not make him so...

I apologize. I should have worded that better.

91 posted on 08/26/2013 10:01:08 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: virgil283

I would like to borrow that phrase for awhile in my tagline


92 posted on 08/26/2013 10:11:48 AM PDT by winodog (Knowledge puffs up people giving them a high opinion of themselves that is undeserved.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
That gives me an idea.

I think I will change my son's name to Keshawn. I/we have a very common last name similar to many African American sport players.

My(Caucasian) son keeps a straight A average in high school. Maybe he could get a free ride into Berkley, Harvard or MIT.

93 posted on 08/26/2013 10:12:45 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Michael.SF.

Where does Cal Tech fall into the mix?

Isn’t supposed to be harder to get in than MIT?


94 posted on 08/26/2013 10:16:02 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Zhang Fei

A lot of blacks have a vastly-inflated sense of their personal abilities. This is why so many cry racism at the drop of a hat. They are not playing mind games. They do in fact think that they are putting out superior effort and results, and any failure to reward them for these outstanding efforts constitutes racism.


What you describe sounds like a culturally-acquired form of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.


95 posted on 08/26/2013 10:16:37 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The tragic figure in this story is not Kashawn. It’s the unknown Asian-American kid from Fremont with a straight-A average and very high test scores whose place at Berkeley was taken away by the self-righteous administrators, who admitted Kashawn instead to fill their quota.


While we undoubtedly agree on all the principles here, I think that the Asian kid from Fremont is an “injustice” not a “tragedy.”

That kid will go to another UC school, get good grades, a degree, and likely follow the same path he would have.

The tragedy is that Kashawn would have followed a far brighter path in life if admitted to the right school. (I honestly thought this article was going to end in suicide - but that’s more of an Asian thing than a black thing, because suicide requires self-blame, and in the worst of black culture, blame is always externalized.)


96 posted on 08/26/2013 10:23:35 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: SeekAndFind

What a sad waste of everybody’s time and money. Liberalism has a lot to answer for.


97 posted on 08/26/2013 10:23:49 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: woodbutcher1963

If ya work it right ya might get Tuition and a BIG BONUS!!


98 posted on 08/26/2013 10:25:13 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: kabar

That kid has been nurtured and prepared to be a failure. If he were to actually become educated he might just be able to walk off the plantation. And that cannot be tolerated.
sarc/


99 posted on 08/26/2013 10:27:18 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: albie

Which school, so we can avoid it?


100 posted on 08/26/2013 10:27:59 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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