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Rush Limbaugh's move to WOR could be the start of major shift in New York talk radio
New York Daily News ^ | August 26, 2013

Posted on 08/26/2013 5:01:11 PM PDT by SMGFan

Rush Limbaugh's now-official move to WOR (710 AM) on Jan. 1 could be the first in a series of dominoes that reshape New York talk radio.

That will be especially true if Sean Hannity joins him and gives WOR the afternoon combo — Rush from noon-3 p.m. and Hannity from 3-6 p.m. — that propelled WABC to the top of city talk radio and has kept it there this whole century.

Widespread reports have Hannity wanting to get away from Cumulus, which owns WABC. Hannity’s current syndication deal is through Premiere, which is a division of Clear Channel, which owns WOR. His Premiere deal expires at the end of the year, but it would be no stretch to see him reupping and joining 710. Clear Channel bought WOR a year ago and has been more or less marking time there, with ratings it no doubt wants to improve. While Limbaugh and Hannity’s listenership has flattened out in the last few years, they still host the two most popular radio talk shows in the country.

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To: scott55
Umm...

Neither link works. However, if you can manage to get that final ")" in the link it will.

Now... Are you sure you understand the concept here? Both WOR and WABC are class A clear channel stations. For the purposes of this thread (discussing Rush's move to WOR) it makes basically no difference since he is on in the Noon to 3 slot in the NYC area. This time frame is covered by the Primary signal area that each station covers. Within that primary signal area there are no other radio stations on that frequency. Beyond the primary signal area, certain clear channel frequencies can have low powered AM stations which typically are 'daytimers' (class D) which cease transmitting at sundown, or if still allowed to transmit, do so on severely decreased power, say from 5000 watts to 100 watts. WOR is clear channel at night which means any station transmitting on 710 khz is a daytimer and is not in the primary coverage zone. The other station on 710 khz is out on the west coast (also a 'clear channel' station) and would not cause interference even after sundown (in most cases) and even if it does, only in the areas of signal overlap which in this case would be somewhere around the Mississippi River.

Either way, the net result is that both WOR and WABC have nearly identical primary patterns and thus the total prospective audience for Rush's program within either station's listening area is unchanged.

Two items of interest however. From the wikithing article you originally posted we find this tidbit: "One station, KOB in Albuquerque, New Mexico, fought a long legal battle against the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and New York's WABC for the right to move from a regional channel to a clear channel, 770 kHz, arguing that the New York signal was so weak in the mountain west that it served no one. KOB eventually won the argument in the late 1960s." If you look up station KKOB you will find that they also are a 50000 watt station on 770 khz, the same as WABC.

Looking a bit further we find another interesting tidbit: "On May 29, 1980, the FCC voted to limit the protection for the twenty-five clear channel stations to a 750-mile radius around the transmitter. Those stations outside the area of protection were no longer required to sign off or power down after sundown."

So... WABC is not as clear a clear channel as you wanted us to believe. Not that it makes any difference for the purposes of this thread.

41 posted on 08/27/2013 12:27:49 AM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Rodamala
Back when I was slightly younger than I am now, I would do a lot of driving at night. I lived in Ohio back then and had all the buttons on my car radio set for nighttime stations. The two local stations I listened to were a half-knob twist apart on the dial so I had one on a button and twisted the knob for the other. I had a Mpls/St. Paul station(WCCO?), a Chicago station (WCFL), WBZ in Boston, and WABC all of which came in rather well in northwest Ohio - at night!

It now being many decades later, I don't do AM "dxing" (and very little driving after dark ;-) anymore! The buttons on the radio are all FM stations now (except for WABC so I can catch Rush - that can easily be switched when he changes to WOR), and the FM station I listen too when I venture over the border into NJ fades out when I get back on my side of the mountain..

42 posted on 08/27/2013 12:50:44 AM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Leo Carpathian
It must be the antenna pattern then, going west of NYC signal of WOR starts disappearing half way through NJ, while WABC is solid

I think you are right. In my experience, WNBC/WFAN blows away botu, received WELL into PA. In other anomalies, i have received WBBM 780 Chicago into NJ even though WLS is the "famous" big station.
43 posted on 08/27/2013 3:46:25 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: AlexW

Sounds like a good idea. Especially since many talk show hosts, like Rush, do not permit free replay of their broadcasts. However, some, like Mark Levin, do permit listening to free re-broadcasts.


44 posted on 08/27/2013 4:17:00 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: driftless2

I now have three programs being recorded by DAR.fm.
Rush, Savage, and Kook to Kook AM. I could do more, but I can listen to only so much radio. Anyway, any program that is being broadcast in the US can be set up on DAR. Keep in mind, your computer does not have to be online for it to work.
You log into DAR when you want to listen to your program.
I exchanged a few emails with the guy that started the service when it was new.
I try to promote his service whenever I can.
I want him to stay in business !!


45 posted on 08/27/2013 4:43:18 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Marcella; wku man; DuncanWaring; Windflier; AlexW

Rush never ran away...

Woof Woof!


46 posted on 08/27/2013 4:45:36 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: AlexW; NFHale; Marcella; DuncanWaring; Windflier
"...but I can listen to only so much radio."

Yeah, it must wear on the conscience to hear patriots like Rush and his listeners talk about what needs to be done to restore our Republic, while you're living the good life on a beach in a Third World sewer. Oh that's right...you don't have a conscience. You brag about having turned chicken a** and running away just when your nation needs you most. Bock-bock-bock-bock-BWAAAAAAAAAAAAK!

"Anyway, any program that is being broadcast in the US can be set up on DAR."

Gee, those of us who have stayed put, and are ready to do the heavy lifting to restore our Republic, don't need to program our computers to record Rush. We can tune to our local Rush affiliates, and listen to him live, on good ol' broadcast radio. Why? Because unlike you, we're not cowardly expats who have not only turned their backs on their nation, but are trying to convince others to do the same.

Coward.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

47 posted on 08/27/2013 5:27:35 AM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: NoCmpromiz

WBZ... I would drive back to NJ from Galesburg, IL, and I would be able to pick up WBZ near the OH/IN border.

I love the AM skip.


48 posted on 08/27/2013 6:26:45 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Gefn
"Hello, this is Bernard Meltzer, What's Your Problem?"

"Hi, Uncle Bernie. Thank you sooo much for taking my cawl..."

49 posted on 08/27/2013 6:32:14 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: bigbob
How Hannity gets anywhere near the top ratings is a mystery to me.

Same here. If he didn't come on right after Rush (and O'Reilly btw), he'd probably be more like number 20.

When Rush says he is show prep for the rest of the media, I think he is talking specifically about Hannity.

50 posted on 08/27/2013 6:35:06 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Rodamala

I got WBz one night back in HS. I found the Bostonian accent fascinating. more interesting than a NY accent like some of my family has....


51 posted on 08/27/2013 7:45:17 AM PDT by Gefn (More Cowbell)
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To: SMGFan

Look also for TGO to go where Mark and Sean go if this is what will happen.


52 posted on 08/27/2013 9:33:52 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Rodamala

The local AM station I listen to, WTIC AM is a 50,000 flamethrower station.


53 posted on 08/27/2013 9:38:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Gefn

I have been predicting for a while Rush would go to WOR AM. That station will get popular real fast.


54 posted on 08/27/2013 9:39:33 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SMGFan

Thanks for links.
WABC has single tower, omnidirectional pattern.
WOR has three towers producing directional patterns.
That would explain the difference in signals, both run 50 kW.
Same power, different coverage.
I am surprised Rush is refusing XM/Sirus.


55 posted on 08/27/2013 7:02:14 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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