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To: HiTech RedNeck
Honestly, you've reduced Conservatism to some flawed logic paradigm that we shouldn't seek to support. Guy, honestly, what's up with you today?

I'm worshiping God more seriously than I have ever done in my life before. That's what's up! And God is blessing me richly for it in the spiritual and material worlds, all of  r the sake of glorifying Him. It can't be for glorifying me apart from Him. It can't be for glorifying you apart from Him. However He will gladly glorify Himself in me and in you if we sincerely seek for that.  If we do it in the right way, I buy into that concept 100%.  If we don't do it in the right way, who are we truly listening to?  He's not called the Great Deceiver for nothing.

I am not here to injure your faith.  I simply want to introduce you to some food for thought.  Perhaps it will help you see that a good intention IS NOT going to prevent you from making huge mistakes.

Jimmy Carter believed himself to be a very good Christian.  He was such a good Christian that he decided he would refuse to continue to be allies with leaders of nations who did not act the way he thought they should.  He turned on the Shah of Iran because the Shah abused the human right of some of his people.  In the overall scheme of things, the Shah was a rather decent sort when it came to that part of the world.  He was nothing like Iraq's Hussein.  He just ruled with an iron fist.  And seeing the factional differences that exist in certain nations, we can see why.  So Carter let it be known he wouldn't stand by the Shah, and shortly thereafter the Ayatollah repatriated and the Shah was out.  And then the Western ways the Shah had introduced into Iran were tossed out, a Shariah Islamic Government was set up, and the freedoms in Iraq were gone.  Carter had just helped install one of the worst governments on the planet.  It destabilized the region, and 35 years later, we're still dealing with it.  Only now, Iran is soon to go nuclear.  This was the end result of a well meaning Christian.  The Muslim Brotherhood is a proxy for Iran IMO.  It's causing unrest across Northern Africa and into Asia.  This all resulted from Jimmy Carter back in the day, 'doing God's will.'

Then this self-declared Christian and Bible teacher, refused to allow the Shah access to our nation to obtain Chemo Therapy.  There's your Christian for you.

You have to be very well grounded with God, to assertain what he wants you to do.  You cannot simply want something so bad, you attribute your desires to be God's desires.  You can do severe harm if you're not careful.

Do you think there aren't Democrats who are devout Christians?  They are trying to do God's will.  The way they see it, it is God's will to allow under-privileged women to get abortions.  Is that God's will?  Of course not, but these folks have convinced themselves of it, because it's what they want to believe.  Sarah Palin is not the arbiter of God's will on planet earth.  I'm not going to buy into her fix on illegal immigration anymore than I would Obama's fix, if they both involve immediate legalization, and citizenship over a number of years.  This IS NOT God's plan.  It is the plan of severely flawed men.  They are severely flawed, because they don't care what the real overall outcome is.  They simply want it done.  And why?  Because it is God's will.

Jimmy Carter wanted God's will done.  How did that work out?  It worked out just like 'We Satanic People' said it would in the day.  (Satanic being your term for my actions here, because I won't guy in to what you want to sell.  I won't because I know how it turns out.  I've seen men institute "God's will" before, when I knew darn well it was their own will, not God's.  And here we are again.)  NO!

I'm saying let's take our very best ideas, as well as our not so good ones, and lay them at the Lord's feet. Sometimes the good ideas need refinement. Sometimes they need to be laid aside for a while to make room for an even better idea we may not have thought about. Think of where the BLESSING may be had. That Cross wasn't a decoration. That Cross took away all sins and offered mankind the ultimate Reset button. The Lord wants to take over the task of chastising, a chastisement which is intended to shake men up until they can see His beautiful light.

No, I'm sorry, but you're not connected to reality here.  Neither was Jimmy Carter.

I'm certain Carter thought he was doing God's will when he interceded with North Korea, and that nation was able to develop nuclear weapons based on his intervention alone.


We're going to have to stipulate that well meaning men, at times have not a shred of a clue when it comes to God's will.  Did God turn around Iran or North Korea?  No.  I'm not going to tempt him when it comes to illegal immigrants either, because it was his specific admonition not to tempt the Lord your God.  I will not cast our nation down upon the rocks, then demand God save it.


81 posted on 09/01/2013 1:33:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Frankly my doughty brother, Jimmy’s view was too small. It was more human philosophy busy body than it was wisdom. That’s what I get from it. It was nominally Christian but with a teeny tiny gospel. If anyone got saved from Jimmy’s witness I never heard about it.

It may well BE that Sarah’s impulse is not, at the least, at the right time for execution. Perhaps the gospel needs to get a firmer grip on the ground first to stave off what would otherwise be a decay towards decadent Democrats. God acts at certain times in certain ways. That is why I go back again and again to the principle that wisdom is found in a multitude of counselors, and to pointing out that Sarah is really good at following that principle already. If she’s mistaken she will not be bull headed about it. That’s what I like about her. She does try to listen to the Lord. She bounces back from failures and does not wilt while also not doubling up on the failures.


84 posted on 09/01/2013 1:41:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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