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Report: Assad moves weapons underground
The Algemeiner ^ | 9/4/2013 | Zach Pontz

Posted on 09/04/2013 5:46:07 PM PDT by Prospero

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To: A Navy Vet

Good reply, I like!


51 posted on 09/05/2013 6:49:01 AM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: spokeshave

With a range of only 290 KM, US ships can sit well outside that range and launch Tomahawks with a range of 2500 KM.


52 posted on 09/05/2013 6:54:00 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Prospero

Getting them underground may be easy but getting them back out again may not be so easy.


53 posted on 09/05/2013 7:07:42 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: DAC21

Well .. I had not even thought of that one. Probably no need to move them all if they are buried deep. They could move some to iraq just in case


54 posted on 09/05/2013 7:19:11 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: caww

Yes. You are right.


55 posted on 09/05/2013 8:00:01 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: plain talk

Yes. Even the people I support (the US as a nation) and Israel - I wonder about on issues like this. Why should our people be in harm’s way for this supposed atrocity?


56 posted on 09/05/2013 8:01:14 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

Everyone is working in their own interests. They don’t always align with ours. Why should more Americans die in the Mid East?


57 posted on 09/05/2013 8:03:51 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Prospero
By all means, telegraph your intentions weeks earlier. What the hell has happened to our military? Oh right, Bambi has them under control as he plays "community organizer" and supports "homos' in the military.

We can debate all day long whether he is a true Muslim supporter or just a sympathizer, but his simplistic outlook on how to handle the Syrian situation is amateur at best.

I can't believe what I'm seeing. The Present and the congress wimps are acting like children. I know, I had two. One would say he did it, the other would say she did it. Our solution was to sit them both down and tell them to stop pointing fingers and work things out before their Mother and I brought the hammer down. They resolved things quickly rather than get our wrath.

Can you see the similarities? Fedgov are all privileged children. Gimme; I want; I need; I must leave a legacy; I know better than you; etc.

I hate ALL politicians. Who in their right mind nowadays would want to be a city councilman all the way up to the presidency? Controlling children who wants the power? The same bullies on the playground.

It's time to tell them to stop and leave us alone. I got my ass kicked on the playground once, but since I didn't back down and got in a couple licks, he then left me alone and looked for softer targets. It's time we go after the "soft" targets.

Read what you will into the above NSA. Just remember, you have a job because of some old farts back in 1787. You took an oath to support their principles, if you renege on that oath, you have NO honor. Still, I appreciate all you do to protect us from the crazies of the world and know that most of you work very hard to keep them from killing us and you and your children. Just remember what you said when sworn in to defend the United States Constitution and its basic principles.

AN OATH IS FOREVER!

58 posted on 09/05/2013 8:16:01 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Skepolitic

That’s a legitimate point. The Wahabbi Sunnis are even more ferocious in their persecution of those whom they consider apostates than they are in their persecution of almost anyone else.

At one time, there were countless Sufi shrines all over the Middle East; now, where the Wahabbis go, those shrines are destroyed, the Sheikhs liquidated, and the murids are forced to flee for their lives.

The feeling of detestment is mutual; ask any Sufi what they think about Wahabbis, and the phrase “agents of the devil” routinely pops up.


59 posted on 09/05/2013 8:20:43 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: antiterrorist77
"When the insurgents seized it, all Christians were forced to leave - every single one."

I truly don't understand how the UN and other nations puts up with the atrocities against Christians. I'm not a religious man (agnostic), but I just don't get why the world is okay with killing peaceful Christians. It goes on and on.

The enemy is radical Islam, which I believe to be bigger than most peaceniks think. It has been for years. Forget the Crusades, that was then and this is now with Muslims currently raping, beheading, mutilating young girls' genitals, so-called honor killings, women being subservient, being second class citizens who can't even go out in public without a male family member, not to mention not able to drive in Saudi Arabia.

Where are the NOW hags? National Organization for Women? Pfft. You women are not about rights, you're about your own agendas. You are a shame on all women of substance.

The cult of Islam makes NO sense and is the antithesis of all human rights that our nation has believe in and promoted for years. But yet, the UN and others can ignore the atrocities in the Sudan, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, and other African countries that slaughter Christians by machete and gunfire. The muslims in those countries wantingly kill anyone Christian.

NO, the UN is concerned about our elections and the thug Trayvon Martin. The UN is the most worthless hypocritical government body in the World. Yet, the Obamas, Clintons, Kerry's, Pelosi's and others think we should bow down to them as Obama did to the King of Saudi Arabia. I couldn't despised them anymore even if I tried.

Western civilization is going down folks. The barbarians are at the gates. My suggestion: lay low for now, but be prepared. The cult of Islam is infiltrating our country - standby...

60 posted on 09/05/2013 8:53:34 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: kabar
"With a range of only 290 KM, US ships can sit well outside that range and launch Tomahawks with a range of 2500 KM."

What are the targets? Definitely not the chem-weapons depots that could disperse more chemicals once hit. So what? Lob a few cruise missles at Assad and his weapons systems to punish him? That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

If we ever had a reason to stay out of "foreign entanglements", according to George Washington, this is it. Let them all those shithead Islamist factions fight forever, while it keeps them from targeting western civilization. Think Iraq and Iran war that lastest 10 years as the muzzies killed each other and didn't have the time on their hands to target us.

61 posted on 09/05/2013 9:45:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: A Navy Vet
What are the targets? Definitely not the chem-weapons depots that could disperse more chemicals once hit. So what? Lob a few cruise missiles at Assad and his weapons systems to punish him? That is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard.

I don't understand why my post on the range of the Tomahawk missile and the safety of our ships has anything to do with supporting an attack on Syria. I don't support an attack period. It is not in our strategic national interests to do so.

62 posted on 09/05/2013 9:53:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: plain talk
Yes..they should fight it out...I believe had outside foreign governments stayed out of this..it could have been worked out between Assad and the protesters....but that will never happen in the ME.

When ANY M.E. nation protesters hit the streets, it's basically a call to Jihadists, MBS and Foreign fighters to descend and sabotage these protests...and that always under the direction and support of M.Eastern Nation state Leaders....they have a stake in any ME country and the direction it goes...battling each other for the ultimate takeover of the latest Dictator to fall...and this on the ground with their jihadists and as much behind the scenes in rallying western states to go along.

Therefor...the ME nations should be the ones designated to take care of the very mess they created.....and leave the rest of the world out of their affairs. Unfortunately the Saudi's have leverage with the US and have called in their chips.....thus all the "story lines" coming from Kerry and McCain and the media are constructed to make a reality palatable to the Congress and the Public...when in fact we would be fighting Saudi's war for them against Irans dibs on Syria...with Russia standing by to make their ultimate move.

There is no win...in Syria...they are all bad guys.

63 posted on 09/05/2013 11:32:17 AM PDT by caww
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To: spokeshave; maggief; thouworm; melancholy; MestaMachine

Comment from a 23 year Navy Commander:

..........................The Navy ships we currently have in the Med surounding Syria, ready to lauch their missiles are no match for the P800 Yahont missiles Syria has to defend itself from any attack.

The P800 missiles are simply too fast with advance radar and guidance systems and our ships have no counter measures to defend themselves from them....They could easily sink our carriers and their escorts without knowing what hit them.

Syria is also armed with the S300 SAM and the more advanced S400 anti-aircraft missiles which could shoot our fighter jets and drones down like shooting fish in a barrel.

Syria is not going to be a walk in the park like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya where we controled the skies.

I wonder how Americans would react if they start seeing some of our ships sunk and our planes dropping from the skies...... A strike against Syria will escalate rapidly to a major war which we will again lose and all for what?


64 posted on 09/05/2013 11:35:52 AM PDT by caww
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To: Skepolitic

I agree...always keeping in mind the Sauds want to see Syria as an Islamic State...even if to get our help they agree to a bit more moderate governance, as with Turkey initially,...they will wait because they will at least have a foothold to take it over when ready just as has happened in Turkey.

Imo...there won’t be anything left of Syria as this destruction of the cities and rural communities continues....and when the US strikes all the more damage.

Quite likely then it will be a wasteland for Alqueda and Jihadists to train etc....if anything at all.

As so many have said..there is no good outcome...too late.


65 posted on 09/05/2013 11:41:24 AM PDT by caww
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To: MinorityRepublican
....”you gotta be a brutal son of a bitch to govern an Arab country”....

Yes. And why Egypt will always have leadership directly tied to the military there....regardless of the people wanting otherwise....the basic cultures are too volatile otherwise. None are ready for Democracy in the way we see it...they see it as winner takes all...

I think there's even a scripture reverence of "his hand will always be against his brother"...... so there is nothing this side of heaven that can change that equation...and why there will not be peace in the ME.....

66 posted on 09/05/2013 11:47:47 AM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

Yes...they do know it’s Obozo striking...very well in fact...they are protecting the Assad regiem because otherwise they will loose their country to an Islamic state....that they know all to well. As for it being Democratic Pres. attacking them...they do not understand democracy...how can they, they’ve never had it.

I’m not so sure the people in the West want the truth tcrlaf, too many live in a matrix of their own imaginations, believing what they are fed is good for them because the government and administration tell them it is.

Most don’t care or have given up caring...and instead are focusing on their family’s and surviving the onslaught on our country....while we observe all the dynamics happening in the EU as they get overrun with Islamists....soon to come here in time and tide.


67 posted on 09/05/2013 11:55:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: antiterrorist77
Lets just put what Obozo is doing right out there:
68 posted on 09/05/2013 12:01:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: kabar; A Navy Vet

25 yr. Navy commander wrote:

..”The Navy ships we currently have in the Med surounding Syria, ready to lauch their missiles are no match for the P800 Yahont missiles Syria has to defend itself from any attack.

The P800 missiles are simply too fast with advance radar and guidance systems and our ships have no counter measures to defend themselves from them....They could easily sink our carriers and their escorts without knowing what hit them.

Syria is also armed with the S300 SAM and the more advanced S400 anti-aircraft missiles which could shoot our fighter jets and drones down like shooting fish in a barrel.

Syria is not going to be a walk in the park like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya where we controled the skies.

I wonder how Americans would react if they start seeing some of our ships sunk and our planes dropping from the skies...... A strike against Syria will escalate rapidly to a major war which we will again lose and all for what?”


69 posted on 09/05/2013 12:11:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Agree on most of that except last paragraph. Had the saudi’s stayed out of it I’m convinced Obama would have done the same thing. There is a pattern - Eqypt, Libya, Syria. Obama sides with radical muslims. Also Obama shot his mouth off about the red line and is committed to doing something. He just wants to orchestrate it in a way that topples Assad. He wants his legacy to show he toppled 3-4 dictators. Who’s next after Syria?


70 posted on 09/05/2013 12:16:19 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

The Saud’s were never going to stay out it...that’s who began sending in the Jihadists and foreign fighters by the truck load.....Syria is critical to them just as it is to Iran.....but they will not get their own ‘hands’ in the fight.....they’ve used leverage on their people and any nation who gets close to them...or relys on them...they know how to play their cards...(revenue and oil) and they do so to the worlds demise...they are not our friend and never will be.

The Sauds underestimated the Assad regieme......and also Russia’s defiance at the UN....that’s why they are calling in their chips now.

The word is out to Hezbollah and the foreign fighters not to intervene when US strikes......now who has that degree of power to make such a demand of terrorists?

Who;s next you ask?....Iran.


71 posted on 09/05/2013 12:59:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
”The Navy ships we currently have in the Med grounding Syria, ready to launch their missiles are no match for the P800 Yahont missiles Syria has to defend itself from any attack.

The P-800 Oniks (Russian: П-800 Оникс; English: Onyx), also known in export markets as Yakhont has a range of 120 to 300 km (74.6 to 186.4 mi) depending on altitude. Our ships can stay well outside that range and launch their Tomahawk missiles, which have a range of 2500 km.

Carrier groups operate well outside the coastlines. They are in no danger from the Syrians.

72 posted on 09/05/2013 1:17:17 PM PDT by kabar
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