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Obama About to Suffer Glorious Defeat in Congress?
Townhall.com ^ | September 8, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

The coalition of the willing is now down to the US alone as France now wants to wait for more data on alleged gas usage. Yet, President  Obama rejects G20 pressure to abandon Syria air strike plan.

Obama Plans Full Court Press 

Inquiring minds note that Obama plans a 'full-court press' to sway Congress  and a speech to US citizens on September 10.

Obama's address to the nation from the White House on Tuesday will be part of a rejuvenated lobbying effort on Syria as Congress returns to Washington next week. A Democratic congressional aide said the administration is planning "a full-court press" aimed at undecided lawmakers.

According to a Washington Post count, only 23 senators have been willing to go on record in favor of military force, while 17 are against. It will likely take 60 of the Senate's 100 members to advance the measure to the House of Representatives.

In the House, where 218 votes will be required to pass the resolution, only 25 members are on record in support of military action so far, according to the Post, with 106 opposed.
Polls Show Citizens Solidly Against War

John Nichols writing for The Nation accurately sums up the situation in 'Nobody Wants This Except the Military-Industrial Complex'
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, backs President Obama’s request for authorization to intervene militarily in Syria, as does House Democratic Minority Nancy Pelosi, D-California.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, is similarly “in,” while Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, in mum.

The president has done a pretty good job of selling his plan to congressional leaders.

He has not, however, sold it to the American people.

Thus, when members of Congress decide which side they’re on in the Syrian intervention votes that are expected to take place next week, they will have to consider whether they want to respond to pro-war pressure from inside-the-Beltway—as so many did when they authorized action against Iraq—or to the anti-war sentiments of their constituents.

The United States says it has determined that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons in the civil war there,” the Post/ABC poll asked. “Given this, do you support or oppose the United States launching missile strikes against the Syrian government?”


'Nobody Wants This Except the Military-Industrial Complex'

Nichols referred to a Huffington Post article quoting Congressman Alan Grayson, D-Florida, "nobody wants this except the military-industrial complex".
"One thing that is perfectly clear to me in my district, and I think is true in many other districts from speaking to other members, is that there is no desire, no desire on the part of people to be the world's policeman," Grayson said on SiriusXM's "The Agenda with Ari Rabin-Havt," which aired Thursday morning. "For us to pick up this gauntlet even on the basis of unequivocal evidence of chemical warfare by the Syrian army, deliberately against its own people -- even if there were unequivocal evidence of that -- that's just not what people in my district want."

That doesn't mean that opposition is universal, Grayson allowed. "I did notice, for what it's worth, that the manufacturer of the missiles that would be used has had an incredible run in their stock value in the last 60 days. Raytheon stock is up 20 percent in the past 60 days as the likelihood of the use of their missiles against Syria becomes more likely. So I understand that there is a certain element of our society that does benefit from this, but they're not the people who vote for me, or by the way the people who contribute to my campaign," he said. "Nobody wants this except the military-industrial complex."
Expected Votes on Authorizing Military Strike



The End of U.S. Imperium—Finally!

An article on The Daily Beast by David Stockman contains so much uncommon sense that it makes me want to stand up and salute!

Please consider The End of U.S. Imperium—Finally! by David Stockman.
Next week Congress can do far more than stop a feckless Tomahawk barrage on a small country that is already a graveyard of civil war and sectarian slaughter. By voting “no,” it can trigger the end of the American Imperium—five decades of incessant meddling, bullying, and subversion around the globe that has added precious little to national security but left America fiscally exhausted and morally diminished.

Indeed, the tragedy of this vast string of misbegotten interventions—from the 1953 coup against Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran through the recent bombing campaign in Libya—is that virtually none of them involved defending the homeland or any tangible, steely-eyed linkages to national security. They were all rooted in ideology—that is, anti-communism, anti-terrorism, humanitarianism, R2P-ism, nation building, American exceptionalism. These were the historic building blocks of a failed Pax Americana. Now the White House wants authorization for the last straw: namely, to deliver from the firing tubes of U.S. naval destroyers a dose of righteous “punishment” that has no plausible military or strategic purpose. By the president’s own statements, the proposed attack is merely designed to censure the Syrian regime for allegedly visiting one particularly horrific form of violence on its own citizens.

Well, really? After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business? That’s downright farcical. Nevertheless, by declaring himself the world’s spanker in chief, President Obama has unwittingly precipitated the mother of all clarifying moments.

The recurrent phony narratives that generate these war-drum campaigns and then rationalize their disastrous aftermaths are rooted in a common structural cause: a vastly bloated war machine and national spying apparatus, the Imperial Presidency, and the house-trained lap-dogs that occupy the congressional intelligence, foreign affairs, and defense committees. This triangle of deception keeps the American public bamboozled with superficial propaganda and the media supplied with short bursts of reality TV when the Tomahawks are periodically let fly.

But it is the backbone of the permanent warfare-state bureaucracy that keeps the gambit going. Presidents come and go, but it is now obvious that virtually any ideological script—left or right—can be co-opted into service of the Imperium. The Obama White House’s preposterous drive to intervene in the Syrian tinderbox with its inherent potential for fractures and blowback across the entire Middle East is being ramrodded by the dogma of “responsibility to protect.” In that context, its chief protagonists—Susan Rice and Samantha Power—are the moral equivalent of Bush’s neocon hit men, Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz. In both cases, ideological agendas that have absolutely nothing to do with the safety of the American people were enabled to activate the awful violence of the American war machine mainly because it was there, marching in place waiting for an assignment.
Heart of the Hypocrisy

In case you missed it, Stockman nails the heart of US war-mongering hypocrisy with this question:

"After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business?"

There is much more in the article. Please take a look.

David Stockman is also the author of The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America and the #1 New York Times bestseller The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed.

Is this the "End of U.S. Imperium"? Finally?
We should all hope so.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bama; syria; wars
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To: VRW Conspirator

The full court press is actually a DELAYED full court press. It must wait. It cannot interfere with Monday Night Football. That’s how urgent this silly adventure is.


41 posted on 09/08/2013 6:49:44 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Kaslin

Why don’t we get to the bottom of Benghazi weapons smuggling before we create further chaos.


42 posted on 09/08/2013 6:51:46 AM PDT by jetson
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To: ExTexasRedhead

John who was in Vietnam Kerry, and Sergeant Debbie Wasserman Schultz are a couple who believe this


43 posted on 09/08/2013 6:53:27 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
Fearless leader can't even get his own party hacks behind him.....what a colossal joke he is. Oh well must be the republicans again "lets hit the links boys"!!
44 posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:16 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Starboard
Why is it that the military must obey their boss, the Commander-in-Chief, but yet he doesn’t have to obey his boss — the American people...?

It's a systems problem, or alternately, a command and control problem. The military is supposed to obey the chain of command in real time. The President only faces the people every four years, and their decisiveness is diluted by party factionalism, multiple issues, and propaganda.

In parliamentary systems, they trade the possibility of more rapid replacement through no-confidence votes, against the possibility of indecisiveness and paralysis due to changing leadership.

One of the most striking things in France in the 30's was that the political factions were almost evenly split between republicans, fascists, and communists. Governments rotated through every few months, and the indecisiveness showed when the Germans invaded in 1940.

45 posted on 09/08/2013 7:00:23 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Kaslin

I’ll believe it when I see it.


46 posted on 09/08/2013 7:01:43 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Military-Industrial complex

Actually this does not refer to the military as much as the military contractors!!!

47 posted on 09/08/2013 7:03:50 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Kaslin

It was reported last week that Boehner won’t let it go to a vote if it looks like a defeat for Barry. I hope he isn’t that stupid.


48 posted on 09/08/2013 7:04:28 AM PDT by AdaGray (Primary Them All)
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To: ontap
I think many people misunderstand the concept of "Military-Industrial Complex". It seems to me that Eisenhower was worried about the big money of Big Government becoming too closely aligned with Big Business. That's crony capitalism. It's Fascism.

The USAF and Boeing would be one example, sure -- but the Department of Agriculture and Monsanto are really the same problem.

What we have now is what Eisenhower warned us about, and the military is just one aspect of it. Too much money in government -- it corrupts all corporations because they all want a piece of the pie. Businessmen do favors for politicians, politicians do favors for businessmen. We The People get screwed.

49 posted on 09/08/2013 7:14:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Starboard

The fun has left for him , problems are getting worse and the media is beginning to turn on him. If he could he would just walk away. His agenda is beginning to go the way of his popularity. Obama is officially a lame duck. He has very little actual power since his polls are headed south and the rats won’t volunteer to be thrown under the bus. All eyes will turn to Hilary in the next year and he will be subjugated to the back pages of the news where he will come face to face with where his Presidency will be for all ages. His only mark will be that he was the first black president. His trademark legislation is hated by the majority, even the precious unions a have turned on it. In short he is mediocre at best and incompetent and treacherous at the worst!!!


50 posted on 09/08/2013 7:14:47 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: bert
The protesters are carrying weapons grade signs. The manufactured sticks are long enough to be used as weapons against police.

The "protestors" are A.N.S.W.E.R....a bunch of "Workers World Party" Communists.

51 posted on 09/08/2013 7:17:04 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Kaslin

Even though it made my skin crawl I sent a message to Franken and Klobuchar.

Okay, going to take a shower now....


52 posted on 09/08/2013 7:24:34 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (I wish I lived in Texas.)
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To: Kaslin
Obama About to Suffer Glorious Defeat in Congress?

One can only hope and pray! This little dicktator boy king has never been held to account for ANYTHING in his entire "racially privileged" life.
53 posted on 09/08/2013 7:24:55 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Starboard

This should be Waterloo, not just for Obama but for his party’s agenda, along with his GOP-e stooges. What a sorry past five years.


54 posted on 09/08/2013 7:43:06 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Kaslin

I hate this pervert worse than my ex mother in law.
But I have a feeling that he will get this through congress some how.
His well used butt is on the line with his Saudi masters.


55 posted on 09/08/2013 7:49:44 AM PDT by Palio di Siena
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To: AdaGray

I have always defended Boehner, but no more. He has got to go


56 posted on 09/08/2013 7:55:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Starboard

bonehead stopped answering his phone and the FM is full..

He knows..

he does not care.

Others might be of more hope.


57 posted on 09/08/2013 7:57:52 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Kaslin
The coalition of the willing is now down to the US alone as France now wants to wait for more data on alleged gas usage. Yet, President Obama rejects G20 pressure to abandon Syria air strike plan.

He and his were the chorus leaders when Bush was making a case for war. They laughed and mocked the quagmire he was getting us into by being a cowboy. It's ironic that Bush got bi-partisan/UN/30 nation backing and Zero can't even get his own side on his side.

58 posted on 09/08/2013 8:00:38 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: AdaGray

It was reported last week that Boehner won’t let it go to a vote if it looks like a defeat for Barry. I hope he isn’t that stupid.
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Having proved himself — along with his sidekicks, Cantor and McCarthy — to be Obama’s sock-puppet on virtually every issue of importance, should not Boehner be immediately cast removed by the Republicans as Speaker?

At this time, there is no de facto ‘opposition party leadership in Congress — just a few brave men, such as Lee, Cruz, and Paul in the Senate, and Amash and others in the House.

Someone has called it the “uniparty.”


59 posted on 09/08/2013 8:03:10 AM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: Starboard

I have always defended Boehner. No more, he has got to go


60 posted on 09/08/2013 8:11:47 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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