Skip to comments.Syria welcomes Russia's proposal for Damascus to put its chemical weapons under (intl control)..
Posted on 09/09/2013 8:44:44 AM PDT by maggief
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Not picked up on any of my channels ... MSNBC has Weiner on. LOL!
I am listening to Carney pressure delayed.
I wonder how many interviews Obama has already given to his 6 TV anchors, if any, BEFORE this news broke. Blitzer going over to WH this afternoon for his interview with Obama when the news broke about Assad’s willingness to turn over chem weapons. Blitzer is still on air.
Blitzer’s interview will air on CNN at 6pm.
Carney spinning Lurch’s declaration about a tiny little bitty war.
Spin ... spin ... spin ... take credit.
Carney takes over for Blinken, says that “limited, effective” strikes will serve to deter Assad from future use of chemical weapons, and that the push for strikes even amidst the current debate has put pressure on the Assad regime, including the proposal out of Russia today that Assad surrender chemical weapons stockpiles.
by Colin.McDonald 12:53 PM
Carney says the White House would welcome any way to reduce and destroy all of Assad’s chemical weapons stockpile, but expresses skepticism about the potential for Assad to fully cooperate with such a proposal. “There are ongoing conversations at the highest levels” about the proposal, Carney says, to evaluate the proposal and see how it might avert military action — though he attributes the credible threat of action to the formulation of the proposal in the first place.
by Colin.McDonald 12:58 PM
Yep...I said he’d do that...I was posting several times yesterday that Putin had met with Syrian and Iranian officials and they had a diplomatic solution they’d present officially today.......and Obamas response would be that HE pushed them to this and without this push they would not have done so.
Obamas going to come out of this smelling like a rose.
Carney is asked multiple times about Kerry’s description of strikes as “unbelievably small,” answers that it was clear that Kerry was referring to the limited nature of strikes as opposed to large-scale, open-ended military action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
by Colin.McDonald 1:00 PM
State Department: US Secretary of State Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov talked by phone on Monday, discussed Syria’s chemical weapons - @Reuters
No matter how this works out, Kerry stuck his foot in mouth (State Dept tried to clean it up)-—definitely went off the reservation and changed everything. Russia said, “bingo” -— chess analogy is better though.
2 hrs later, Lavrov asks Assad to consider. 1- 2 hrs later, Assad says OK. LOL
I DVRed CNN & Fox this am. Fox has had little coverage of Syria (not even covering Carney presser). CNN has had wall-to-wall coverage all morning and continuing.
He been TRUMPED! He be ha’-in’!!!
Reuters Warren Strobel reports: U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov discussed Syria’s chemical weapons in a phone call on Monday, a State Department spokeswoman said. The call came after Russia proposed that Syria put its chemical weapons stock under international control to try to avert potential U.S. military strikes over a gas attack.
by Margarita Noriega (Reuters) 1:10 PM
Chris Moody @Chris_Moody
Harry Reid says the vote to proceed on the Syria strike authorization will occur in the Senate on Wednesday.
Say that was the plan all along..
Obama may spin this “lifeline” into a “See, I fixed it,” but in reality his plan was for arming the rebels to bring regime change.
This new offer keeps Assad in control for the foreseeable future. What will be the rebel reaction?
Many, many moving parts here that haven’t been thought through.
There are no boundaries whatsoever. Whoever is in front of a microphone just goes stream on consciousness. I could "almost" feel sorry for Carney.
They rebels are crying “deceit” on the part of Russia and Assad.
Will there be another false flag?
Carney says that the vote over authorization in Congress should proceed separate from conversations over the Russian proposal in order to ensure that pressure on Assad continues to produce results. If the push for strikes should end in Congress, Carney suggests that the failure to keep up a credible threat against Assad would remove the will to explore options like the Russian proposal.
by Colin.McDonald 1:21 PM
The Press Corpse had a few more questions but Jay skeedaddled with all deliberate speed.
It was said Sunday Obama was delaying his speech til Wed. .....but the media didn’t pick this up....now that the game board is in play now I wouldn’t be surprised if he waits til Wed.
Kerry and Obama both ‘knew’ that Putin was meeting with Syrian and Iranian officials about a diplomatic proposal they would present today.
I am truly angry about all this political theater....they knew this was coming!...but they are projecting as if this is news to them just today. Golly I hate our media...they are so backward and or controlled that the current news arrives here long after it’s moving along.
INCREDIBLE to me that Fox didn’t carry Carney presser; If they have covered the breaking news this morning at all, it has been a mere mention. Syria discussions have been on the threats if Obama attacks Syria and how the Congress vote is stacking up.
What has happened to FOX? They seem to have been caught completely flat-footed -— as if all of this breaking news happened in the middle of the night, or on a weekend.
As I said earlier, CNN has been wall-to-wall all day so far.
As the briefing ends, Carney references this NYT article by Charlie Savage outlining the position of the White House and its legal counsel on the legality of striking Syria:
... [T]he proposed strike is unlike anything that has come before an attack inside the territory of a sovereign country, without its consent, without a self-defense rationale and without the authorization of the United Nations Security Council or even the participation of a multilateral treaty alliance like NATO, and for the purpose of punishing an alleged war crime that has already occurred rather than preventing an imminent disaster.
Kathryn Ruemmler, the White House counsel, said the president believed a strike would be lawful, both in international law and domestic law, even if neither the Security Council nor Congress approved it. But the novel circumstances, she said, led Mr. Obama to seek Congressional concurrence to bolster its legitimacy.
(....”What will be the rebel reaction?”....)
It’s what will Saudi’s reaction be.....and that via the jihadists element/rebels included....
They’ve said they’ll gas Israel....
The fact they keep throwing around the gas should tell people that Assad is not behind these gas attacks. Saudi provided gas to it’s thugs in Syria....and they are determined that Assad fall and their administration take over.
So it’s how the Saudi’s respond now if Obama accepts the offer for Assad to relinquish control of the Chemical Elements.
However...because the US is Saudi’s bulldog in this fight with Iran over Syria Obama may very well decline the offer and move forward....either way he’s not going to do anything apart from coming out of this as this hero. He sure isn’t going to give Putin the credit.
Ah ... looks like it was set up for Hillary.
Now Kerry wasn’t rhetorically speaking per Hillary.
WhiteHousePressCorps @whpresscorps 1m
RT @CNHorn: Hillary Clinton says she just met with President Obama. Calls Syria a "fluid situation."
Anybody who actually believes Assad will give up his chemical weapons must be a really foolish and naive person.
Hillary saying it was ‘the Pressure of the US’ that caused those nations supporting Syria to come up with a political solution.
There again it was Obamas tough hand of diplomacy that brought this about.
She further said...The road map of June 2012 must be followed. The Pres. and Hillary discussed this today.
Clinton repeats the assertions of Carney and other officials earlier that the developments on the Russia proposal and other options in Syria have been dependent on the ongoing, credible threat of military action from the United States via the push for authorization in Congress.
by Colin.McDonald 1:34 PM
HE will...but the rebels will not let this happen...the International Leaders would want safe passage for their people to come in...the rebels will not agree to this nor Saudi...who is arming them and providing the chemical weapons to them.
So the question now is how will the SAUDI’s respond to this....for this leaves Assad in power and they will continue the war without the chemical weapons.
So the deaths will continue...
Pleased that Hillary remarks are being shared. I can actually listen to Carney and even the POSer. But, Hillary’s voice makes my stomach churn and my hair hurt.
I prefer nails on a chalkboard to her screeching.
In reality Putin took the lead diplomatically from Obama who refused to negotiate with Syria...or Russia. Remember he refused to meet Obama in Russia...he refused to speak or dialogue with Assad......
Not disputing that diplomatic discussions may have been taking place [neither have I seen reports on such], BUT what just happened this morning, starting with Kerry’s off-the-cuff statement, was NOT planned. WH is scrambling, spinning, and buying time to figure what to do.
“The adm have very little choice but to tamp down ideas this was a mistake by John Kerry. They can’t be seen to be disowning their chief statesman on the international stage. An incredibly complex situation that the Russians have seized upon, which some might say with typical cynicism.”
Cat’s out of the bag, however, because govt “disowned” Kerry twice this morning: 1) the State Dept cleanup, and 2) unnamed adm official said Kerry’s remarks were a “major goof” and that he had “gone off script.”
WH is in chaos -— their 48-hr Syria campaign push has just turned into a whole other animal.
No he won’t. He will keep them and he will use them on his own people again because weak Obama will not do anything about it.
So they knew.....this is all theater. Even putting Hillary up there...which saves Kerry's face.
But again there are the Saudi’s to consider in this...the war between them and Iran over Syria will continue with or without Chemical weapons....and they have thousands of Jihadists they've armed..and that with chemical weaponry.
I agree the WH was caught off guard and is scrambling.
How else can it be explained that Hillary just flip flopped on Kerry’s remarks as being rhetorical?
He’ll try to take credit but it’s pretty obvious even to the brain dead liberals I talked to this morning that Putin cleaned up Obama’s mess.
That is the FOURTH Obama Adm flip-flop on Kerry’s remarks in as many hours!
Your forgetting that the rebels and jihadists are being supplied with chemical weapons by the Sauds.....
the reports specifically stated that the mixtures did not follow the footprint of what Assad holds in chemical weapons...it was a “dirty” mixture put together with “old” chemicals.
Assad isn’t using these.....all you have to do is listen to the rebels who just announced they will “gas” Israel if the US doesn’t strike.
That’s all stupid crap. You are repeating enemy propaganda.
I lost count.
That’s because Putin didn’t deliver the ‘offical’ proposal until today of what the specifics were.
My concern is Hillary stated Assad has to abide by the June 2012 agreement...which just as Asad said would happen...you agree with the proposals on the table and they always want more..”it’s never enough”.
And here Hillary is setting ‘the conditions’ on the US proposal from ‘last year’....not the one Russia has proposed.
...and this is why Assad and M Easterners will not deal with the US...nor trust them. They will push Assad til he cannot agree....
Remember how Obamacare went down...well that is how they also deal with International Leaders...they ARE bullies...and then wonder why our nation is hated...
I'd like to say a few words about Syria.
A vigorous and important debate is underway in Congress and around kitchen tables all over America. This is a challenge that has catalyzed the kind of debate that I think is good for our democracy.
As you know, this is a fluid situation with statements from Russia, Syria, and others in the last several hours. I've just come from a meeting with President Obama where we discussed the latest developments. And three points in particular are at the heart of the decision our sountry and our Congress have to make in the days ahead.
First, as the president has said, the Assad regime's inhuman use of weapons of mass destruction against innocent men, women, and children violates a universal norm at the heart of our global order. And therefore it demands a strong response from the international community led by the United States.
Second, the international community cannot ignore the ongoing threat from the Assad regime's stockpiles of chemical weapons. Whether they are used again against Syrian civilians, or transferred to Hezbollah, or stolen by other terrorists, this is about protecting both the Syrian people and our friends in the region. The world will have to deal with this threat as swiftly and comprehensively as possible.
Now, if the regime immediately surrendered its stockpiles to international control as was suggested by Secretary Kerry and the Russians, that would be an important step. But this cannot be another excuse for delay or obstruction. And Russia has to support the international community's efforts sincerely, or be held to account.
It is very important to note that this discussion that has taken hold today about potential international control over Syria's stockpiles, only could take place in the context of a credible military threat by the United States to keep pressure on the Syrian government as well as those supporting Syria, like Russia.
Third, as has been emphasized many times, and I did so as Secretary of State, the broader conflict in Syria is a threat to regional stability and security of our allies and partners. As well as a humanitarian catastrophe for the Syrian people and those neighboring countries attempting to absorb hundreds of thousands now more than two million refugees.
Achieving a political solution that ends the conflict is in the interests of the United States. It will require an intense diplomatic effort guided by the road map that was agreed to be the international community in Geneva last year, in June of 2012. There was an agreement we hammered out that pointed the way forward. We need to get to the opportunity to begin such negotiations to move toward a resolution.
The president and I discussed these challenges today. I will continue to support his efforts and I hope that the Congress will as well.
I've been in this from the get go...Assad is no good guy..there are 'none' in this mess....when you have the jihadists and terrorists intertwined in the mix ...and you know how they operate...it isn't hard to see their tactics do not change...because they work...fooled you as well it seems. Any ME nation that has protests against their government the Syrian and Saudi governments..and the MBS will one or the other sabotaoge that...we have seen this in all the Arab spring countries. BT if you weren't a Freeper I would of told you to stick your comment where the sun doesn't shine......you should be ashamed.
You should be ashamed for repeating anti-American nutcase conspiracy theories that come from Russian and Iranian propaganda.
I’d assume that you’re being sarcastic.
It is well known that al Qaeda has some chemical stocks, acquired during its recent successful rampages through various phases of the “Arab Spring,” and that the Saudi royals tacitly support AQ except when it seems to threaten their power (and in fact, that supporting it abroad may actually protect them at home).
A lot of this conflict has to do with the Syrian gas fields, in any case. That’s one of the reasons that the “rebels” headed for Homs.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius says Syria’s Assad must agree to put arsenal under international control - @Reuters
thanks for that...
Notice that McCain hasn’t jumped out in front of a mic yet.
Assad gassed his own people. He did it because he’s a genocidal socialist dictator. The Saudis want to topple Iran’s ally in Syria, and so should we. Instead Americans believe whatever lies and nutty anti-American conspiracy theories Iran spreads.