Skip to comments.Syria welcomes Russia's proposal for Damascus to put its chemical weapons under (intl control)..
Posted on 09/09/2013 8:44:44 AM PDT by maggief
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They are all playing the political gain game...Hillary’s running for President and Obama has so damaged the Democratic party that the Democrats “need a face” to stabilize their base...who has been opposed to this mess in Syria.
Opportunity for Hillary to be the “calming” one in the heat of the battle to settle the issue...Obama couldn’t, neither could Kerry for obvious reasons...And all who are orchestrating these responses are ‘fired up’ to protect Obama and the party.
Telling, isn’t it?
He tweeted a few hours ago dissing his buddy ... in case you missed it.
John McCain @SenJohnMcCain 3h
Kerry says #Syria strike would be “unbelievably small” - that is unbelievably unhelpful
Your comment is not worth responding to...you’ve revealed ‘your nature’ all to well. This will be my last comment to you..
My entire family has served in the Military all the way back to my Great Grand Father ...I lost my father protecting this country at four years old...so you are in no place to make such a comment....I know what war costs..and who the enemy is very well.
Well, of course he’s a genocidal dictator. Everybody in the ME is. That’s they only way they hold onto power.
The Saudis do not have our best interests at heart, except insofar as they coincide. I’m not sure they even coincide in this case, but we’ve decided to do the will of the Saudis.
We can’t forget that Obama consistently takes the Sunni side in any conflict. That doesn’t mean the Shiites are better (they’re not, obviously; look at Iran) but it does mean that there are forces here that have nothing to do with US interests.
Assad is an Alawite, which is a splinter sect, and this is the reason that he has been fairly tolerant of Christians and other minorities, although the country seems to have large numbers of both Sunni and Shiites in it.
In any case, remember when Bush wanted to go into Syria and the Dems got hysterical because they said that the fact that Assad was clearly hiding Saddam’s chemical weapons was no justification for our intervention? Ah, how times have changed.
ah... TY. That was the other gaffe that got got quickly buried under the big gaffe.
No tweets since then?
Also, I just realized that Obama just sent Kerry to the corner and punished him for his big gaffe by altering Hillary’s speech in a manner that had her poised as acting Sec of State. After all, as Obama said, she was the “best Secretary of States [sic]” America ever had.
Alawites are of the apocalyptic “Twelver” school of Shiite Islam which is waiting for the Imam Mahdi to come and conquer the world for Islam. They believe that Jesus will come back and convert to Islam and lead the Christians to follow the Mahdi.
Its getting too simple to score points on these bafoons.
They’re a strange group, and probably the thing that gave Assad the ability to move between Sunnis and Shiites (Iran). Saddam was a secularist, but technically a Sunni by birth. However, he was able to ally with Syria enough to ship out some of his weapons stocks.
Mind you, I’m not defending either Assad or the Sunnis or the Shiites. I’m saying that it’s not clear where American interests like, and also that I’m not confident that Obama cares about American interests.
He seems to identify most heavily with the Sunnis, although I don’t know why, except possibly that the majority in Indonesia is Sunni.
Nothing more from McCain. Kerry under the bus??
John Kerry stumbles on Syria sale
Reuters’ Nicholas Vinocur reports: France said on Monday that a Russian proposal to have Syrian President Bashar al-Assad hand over his chemical weapons arsenal was acceptable under conditions including a U.N. Security Council resolution, with consequences if he failed to comply.
“The proposal of the Russian foreign minister... is worthy of close scrutiny,” French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement. “It would be acceptable under at least three conditions.”
Fabius said that Assad would have to place his chemical arsenal under international control quickly and allow it to be destroyed, and that the operation should take place after a Security Council resolution.
Report: Hillary Clinton’s remarks on Syria come after speaking with White House officials, senators over the last week, source tells @politico
23 mins ago from www.politico.com by editor
Obama is on the side of the Saudis. That’s why he toppled Kadaffy. Kadaffy tried to have the Saudi king assassinated. The Saudis toppled Morsi and Obama went along with them and wouldn’t call it a “coup.” The Saudis and Israel both know that nuclear Iran is the main threat to them and Assad is Iran’s proxy.
I agree, and I don't think Putin is done tweaking him yet. Putin is going to play with him like a cat plays with a mouse.
The welfare king tried to belittle Putin in the eyes of the world. Putins ego isn't going to let him get away with it. obomas going to rue the day he tried to take on one of the the big guns.
He’s definitely on the side of the Saudis (Sunni). Somebody posted an article on FR about this being the defining factor in Obama’s actions. The article didn’t get enough attention, in my opinion, but I’ll try to find it for you. I hope I posted on it so I can track it back!
Also, while I thought the articles by Norman Podhoretz and Conrad Black that have been posted here today are truly, truly excellent (identifying Obama as a radical leftist who actually is carrying out his policy, because he intentionally wants to reduce US power and influence), they skipped the Islamist part of his persona.
I’m not saying he believes in anything but the religion of Obama. But he believes in anything that supports that religion, and since hatred of the US, the West, Christianity, Judaism, their intellectual culture and all their principles is the key to both Islam and Obama, he has clearly decided this is where his loyalties lie. And he has picked the wealthiest and most aggressive version of Islam - and also the one of his childhood in Indonesia.
The islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood are the Saudis useful idiots. The Saudis will not let them come to power in Syria just like they couldn’t let them run Egypt. The war between Saudi Arabia and Iran is a proxy war between the USA and Russia. Russia is even more our enemy now than during the Cold War.
Assad “welcomes” the Putin proposal but will demand that Israel give up its nuclear WMD stockpile in exchange for Syria giving up its MAD retaliatory weapon against Israel...3..2..1..
Funny comment coming from Cameron considering the Parliament wouldn’t back his stupid idea to join Obam.
Obama Adm having trouble re-writing a coherent script.
CNN (Jake Tapper prog): “Awkward position for former Sec State Clinton because she is being pushed to take a stand on Syria at a time when she really has no control over how the policy will be executed. “
More than that - if the situation inside Syria is closer to how the Russian report indicated than what Obama and Kerry have been claiming, guess what?
Vlad gets to humiliate Obama twice in one situation.
Suddenly, we lose all credibility on the world stage. We lose credibility because there was no cause for war, and we lose credibility because the run-up to actual military action looked absurdly amateur-hour.
Either way you look at it, this is the beginning of the end of Obama’s second term. Everything will go downhill after this. Obama is about to learn that when one starts playing for high stakes on the world stage, affirmative action won’t help. You’ve either got the chops, or you don’t, and Obama can’t vote “present” and keep office on stuff like this.
I’m sure Vlad had this cooked up and waiting to spring on Obama for at least a week.
The Russians play chess, and are widely known as the best chess players in the world.
Obama... I don’t think he’s even played checkers and won without help.
Sen. Isakson, who Dana Bash notes initially sounded supportive, is a no."It is clear to me that Georgians overwhelmingly oppose" the action
Ex-Muslim, Daniel Greenfield has written an extremely accurate article about what’s going on with the Muslim Jihadist’s in Syria.
The Syrian Civil War is a religious war. Its not a war over democracy or freedom. Its a conflict between two totalitarian systems, one loosely based on a mixture of Islam and Socialism, and the other more rigidly based on Islam. Both are brutal and merciless to anyone who doesn’t belong. Both have their death squads and extensive corruption on the inside.
Both are evil.
Its also an ethnic conflict being played out between Iran and the Arab world. And it even has elements of Ottoman revivalism on the Turkish side of the border where its Islamist rulers dream of reclaiming an empire.
None of that is a recipe for moderation. There are no moderates in a religious war. There are no moderates in an ethnic conflict. There are no moderates among those who would start such a war or those who intend to finish it.
Neither side is seeking freedom. Both are seeking absolute supremacy.
The Syrian opposition that we hear about on the evening news.....MORE HERE:
Do you think it was awkward for her? I don’t at all...it was an opportunity and she saw it as that. More than likely Billy has had a say int this mess as well....
Remember how Billy stepped out to the podium before for Obama? Well Hillary is just about the same thing....The Democrats will always play the Clinton card when their party is in over their knees!
More of an awkward position for John Kerry.
Now that Russia and the U.N. appear to be talking about possible international control of Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles, the obvious question is whether this was all part of a coordinated effort. U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon’s ideas about storing and destroying the weapons have clearly been in the works for some time, based on what he said on Monday. www.reuters.com
Daniel Greenfield was a Muslim???
“Do you think it was awkward for her?”
Yes. I agree with the comment I posted.
“Daniel Greenfield was a Muslim???”
No, he was never a Muslim. Now sure where caww got that idea. Nothing like that in the article.
Do you have the link? Of all the reporters, experts, and WH reps I have listened to today, the only person I have heard using that language is Christiane Amanpour. It was her response to “did Kerry make a gaffe.” She said that wasn’t important because...
Louis Charbonneau, Reuters’ United Nations bureau chief
Chad Pergram @ChadPergram 1h
Obama to Fox: There's a reason why I slowed this thing down to allow for a congressional debate..the threat was not..imminent to the US
Did you see Baier’s All Star panel? excellent.
Agreed with almost everything said.
Surprised, however, that Krauthammer said 0 chance Assad’s chem weapons will be removed-—repeated that several times. Did not think he would make such a bold prediction.
lol; re-spinning the spin.
So far, I only saw Blitzer and Chris Wallace interviews. Blitzer interview went smoothly, but Wallace interview was more hard-hitting and Obama’s scrambling to recast the narrative was more obvious.
They have to recast the old narrative while they are formulating the new narrative.
Sorry, missed Baier. I was away from my computer.
He had a 3-segment all-star panel discussion. Worth the watch if you find the video
RT @RT_com 2h
MORE: Obama discussed Russias chemical handover proposal with President Putin during G20 http://on.rt.com/q7dwxj
Obama: Russia plan on Syria arms may be ‘breakthrough’
Syria could complicate Obama’s decision on next Fed chairman
FIRST, THE WHITE HOUSE OUTFOXED THE MEDIA ON THIS ONE! SECOND, WEIRD TO STAND IN THIS PIC OR NOT WEIRD?
I think the media got out foxed by the White House each gets 7 minutes? That is really nuts. You cant get information about an important issue like war in 7 minutes. If the President gives a long answer to the first question, you are cooked
time is up! What the media should have done is asked to have the time combined 42 minutes and then pick out of a hat who did the interview from this group of 6 and let ALL NETWORKS use the interview like a pool interview.
Maggief: RE your “Obama discussed Russias chemical handover proposal with President Putin during G20” http://on.rt.com/q7dwxj
That was discussed by the Baier panel. I was looking for it and realized the subject was interwoven throughout the discussion of the All-Star panel. So.... it became a good reason to take some Cliff notes:
Hume: If this (getting Assad to remove chem weapons) is feasible, this changes everything. Reid cancelled Wed initial vote. Now put off til who knows when.
Krauthammer. Think Russians were play chess with a set of rank amateurs. That gaffe gave them the opening they wanted:
Two issues here: chems and Assad retaining power-—Iran/Hezbollah/Assad/Russia axis dominating the region.
Russia immediately saw that this enables them to keep Assad in power and retain their navel base and Assad’s air bases.
Russia gets everything they wanted and Obama saves face. That’s a high price to pay (for Obama) but he will seize it.
Liason: The IF is so huge. To even do this, experts say, you would have to have a ceasefire. Can barely do this in peacetime, let alone in midst of civil war.
I don’t see any prospect for this to actually happen
Tucker: The Adm’s policy in Syria is ad hoc. The Pres implied that this was all in the works, that at the G20 he and Pres Putin worked this out. That is ludicrous. They are making this up as they go along, and that’s obvious, I think
Second thing that is clear is that this strengthens Russia & humiliates the US. Putin is riding to Pres Obama’s rescue. He is entirely dependent upon the good will of Putin, who does not have our interests at heart.
Third thing that is obvious: America is weaker in the eyes of the world and that has real consequences....Weakness invites aggression...
Hume: I think Tucker is right as a practical matter, but as a domestic political matter...Syria blinked and sued for peace. Shows iny’l community acting together can accomplish great things....I can hear all the arguments in my head. They’re coming folks.
Krauthammer: Obama has changed the terms to make them open-ended. Secondly, if this was an American idea as Obama implies, which I don’t believe for a second, then why isn’t it the American Proposal. Once you call it the Russian Proposal, then we are passive. We have to wait for the Russians, in their good time, to produce a proposal. We will have a counter-proposal. It will go on ad infinitum.
The Russian objective here is either to dismantle the weapons, which I think the likelihood of that is prob 1 in a 100. When Libya agreed to give up its weapons...the plan took 8 years. When the civil war broke out, the inspections stopped entirely.
Russian obj is either to do it over a long period of time or tie us up and the momentum for any strike, any American involvement will dwindle to 0. Obama knows this, and he sees it as a way out of a bluff he made that he cannot carry out.
Baier: The Pres did 5 other interviews, one of them with PBS in which he was asked specifically about this idea and whether he had had conversations about this with Putin and he said, “I did have those conversations and this [proposal] is a continuation of conversations I have had with Putin for quite some time.
[Panelists burst out laughing]
Liason: Well we haven’t heard about them. We haven’t about this proposal at all....T he policy of the US is to get Assad to the negotiating table. Why shouldn’t that be a requirement of this new proposal?
Krauthammer: Because we have conceded that who runs Damascus it not at issue here. Obama said so. The only issue here is the weapons, which is exactly what the Russians and Assad, the Iranians and Hezbollah have demanded.
Baier: But that isn’t what the McCain amendment and the resolution on the Senate side says...
Krauthammer: McCain lost the election. He isn’t the president.
Hume: Not only that. It was Kerry this morning reacting to the reaction to the McCain/Graham amendment...who was saying, “This is going to be unbelievably small.” That was for the purpose of stopping the hemorrhage of Democrats that was occurring..
[my snip of note-taking]
Hume said, “My sense is now that the Pres’ speech tomorrow night is kind of meaningless.
Liason: Does Obama continue to arm the vetted, moderate opposition at industrial-strength levels?
Krauthammer: This is clearly a way to get Obama off the hook politically. The chances of these weapons being eliminated from Syria are less than the Cubs winning the World Series this year, and they are now mathematically eliminated....They are going to pretend this is a real option, which it isn’t
Tucker: The illusion of competence that surrounded this Adm has evaporated...We have 3 more years of this, and that’s bad for the country....(mentions Benghazi).
Liason: ...I don’t think Obama can pretend that the weapons have been turned over if they are not. There is an element of reality here and there is a civil war raging in that country and I don’t see how you do it.
LOL! She is right! Bernie Goldberg, media analyst, said Obama just kept repeating himself, saying the same things, eating up the time.
He also mentioned Wallace’s was the best, a little more challenging for Obama.
Great post! Thank you.
Slam and dunk. Putin has them on the rails.
“Krauthammer: Because we have conceded that who runs Damascus it not at issue here. Obama said so. The only issue here is the weapons, which is exactly what the Russians and Assad, the Iranians and Hezbollah have demanded.
Baier: But that isnt what the McCain amendment and the resolution on the Senate side says...
Krauthammer: McCain lost the election. He isnt the president.”
I haven’t read through this entire thread. What I want to know...’What is being done about the chemical weopons posessed by the Al Quida backed mersonary inspired opposition to Assad?
Ive been thinking about this all night...It doesnt make sense. Putin is very very quick to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerrys faux Paux?
The administration at first says its rhetorical, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this.
ARE WE STUPID OR ARE WE STUPID? PUTIN MUST BE LAUGING HIS BUTT OFF ON OUR THINKING HE’S STUPID. HE KNOWS OBAMAS MOVES BEFORE OBAMA DOES. HE KNOWS THIS IS NOT ABOUT CHEMICAL WEAPONS JUST THE PRETENSE.
Lets think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence was clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretext to bomb Syria and support the MB.
Now the ball is back in Obamas court and there is no longer an issue. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudis, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. Its not about dying babies and chemical weapons. Its about regime change.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. He must back down, and if he does the Russians are even more into Syria as they are the ones who will offer to over see the stockpiles.
The Russians can take their time on this all they want.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOT CALL A VOTE ON THIS.
REad my last post. I agree with this. The Russians will promise they are being removed, but will stall on this. The weapons will never be removed.
PLUS who knows, inspection may find that they were Saddam’s
No...the man who linked the article is Ex Muslim...
From Google link to Frontpage article which read as follows.....it is the first link listed on Google here:
Reads as follows:
(Which appears the person who is linking to Frontpage article is the Ex-Muslim not Greenfield.)
The Myth of the Moderate Syrian Rebels | FrontPage Magazine
The Myth of the Moderate Syrian Rebels
1 day ago
Again I must stress, as Ex-Muslim, Daniel Greenfield has written an extremely accurate article about whats going on with the Muslim Jihadists
Caww: Now I see where you got Ex-Muslim.
The Ex-Muslim is Hass— one of the readers of Greenfield’s column who posted a comment on the article.
Daniel Greenfield is a columnist who writes for FrontPage.
He also writes columns for his own blog: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/