Posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:48 PM PDT by wmfights
Two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said they want their member of Congress to “keep their promises and stick to principles” as opposed to “compromise in a bipartisan way to get things done.”
“From Obamacare on down, sticking to principle is where the Republican base is today,” said David Kirby, vice president of opinion research at FreedomWorks. “It’s an example of how off the Republican establishment is from their base.”
Social issues have become less salient to GOP voters: 41 percent said gay marriage is not one of their top 10 issues. Asked about abortion, about one-third said it is one of the top three issues they care about; another third said it is not in the top three but somewhere in the top 10 and the final third said it is not one of their top 10 concerns.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/poll-republicans-libertarian-96576.html#ixzz2ecUQmr3o
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Does the state have a role in protecting the innocent and promoting the best environment for a child to mature into a healthy contributing member of society?
I would argue the answer is YES!
>> Today - libertarians and conservatives are at polar opposites for what we want America to be.
Not true. I know many pro life libertarians that don’t support the govt’s meddling in marriage. There are many here at FR.
There are also many self-described conservative that don’t seem to mind the police state.
“GOP-e insiders”? You mean those who are in favor of gay marriage?
I have never heard of any libertarians opposed to gay civil unions. Rather in favor of the idea. What libertarians do you know of that are opposed to it?
We do need govt to ensure these wrongs are kept to a minimum.
Gee, us favoring government having zero authority whatsoever over the institution of marriage is somehow going to translate into the government putting you in jail if you don't back a cake for a homosexual "marriage"? Riggggghhhhttt....
You favor the government, the organization that can't even fix potholes in roads, having supreme power over marriage, what it means, who can commit to it, etc., and then you cry when the marxists get all that yummy power that you shouldn't have given the government in the first place.
I have to concur with that.
Thank you.
Not true. I know many pro life libertarians that don’t support the govt’s meddling in marriage. There are many here at FR.
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Correct. They don’t support the “govt’s meddling in marriage”. So what is their suggestion?
To further destroy the sanctity of marriage by removing ALL aspects of marriage from our laws.
In other words - they want to burn down the city in order to save it.
Libertarians are NUTZ!
The maximum role of government should be the protection of life, liberty and property. It's shouldn't be used to force everyone to live in NerfWorld, where all the sharp edges have been rounded off for your own good. If you want your children to be healthy, contributing members of society, then you may want to do a little hands on parenting and not count on being able to free-range them.
I don’t favor government “controlling” marriage. I favor society not having a government giving affirmation to perverts and abnormal mental patients as “normal”
Some examples:
Bush and his faith-based initiatives (expansion of welfare)
The Internet Gambling ban, which aside from the bailouts, was one of the only legislative accomplishment of Bush's 2nd term.
Alabama Governor Bob Riley's "Jesus Tax".
The encouragement of more welfare for single mothers in the name of "preventing abortions"
Those are just a few.
Nobody is suggesting otherwise. libertarians are not anarchists. Those crimes deprive others of their rights, so it's proper for government to punish them.
>Live and let live, so to speak.<
Yes. Obviously, that does not include a military chaplain being forbidden to say a Christian prayer, as some progressives desire.
The Founders wanted to prevent the State from formulating its own religion, to the detriment of all others. Modern liberals want to elevate their interpretation of religion, and ban both Christianity and Judaism, especially, from the public square.
More like the ones who run Clear Channel and Cumulus.
I have never heard of any libertarians opposed to gay civil unions. Rather in favor of the idea. What libertarians do you know of that are opposed to it?
Funny, the ones I know don't care. If someone wants to play married with his lawnmower and find a preacher/priest/rabbi/whatever to "marry" them, good for them. It doesn't mean anyone from the government should come along and put a gun to my head or yours and force us to recognize or subsidize said "marriage."
You’re still lying to yourself.
For thousands of years societies, countries and civilizations have thrived based on marriages and strongly healthy families. As goes the American Family - so goes America.
So why? Why do you endorse the liberal position of weakening marriage in our laws?
See...there are some things we agree on! Now if we can just get you give up on having government give affirmation to "normal" marriages, we'll really make progress!
society cannot survive on libertarian ideals, they are anti-civilization
Marriage started having problems when clowns started using government to “protect” it. I’m sure you’re familiar with how marriage licensing came into practice, right? Then they decided to start writing it into the tax code and probate laws. Those benefits were extracted by force from single people. Lots of favors government did for your institution. Then since it was in charge of sanctioning it, it decided it wanted the power to destroy it. Behold, no-fault divorce laws (extra points if you can name the first governor to sign it into law). Then came the courts and the Bar into making a growth industry out of destroying those families...all with the blessings of the government. You’re a little late to the game if you think libertarians did this to what’s left of your vaunted institution.
“Does the state have a role in protecting the innocent and promoting the best environment for a child to mature into a healthy contributing member of society?
I would argue the answer is YES! “
But you are not the president. The country elected a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage statist and now every christian is paying for government subsidized abortions via planned parenthood and very soon churches will be forced to perform gay marriages.
Every Christian in this country should be a libertarian. Government will never uphold Christian values. It will always work towards destroying them.
I'd be willing to take the other side of that wager at fairly steep odds. The premise of keeping government small is that men are inherently corruptible, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It's the folks who want to give government the power to rule over us who do so on the presumption that the men doing the ruling will be good.
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