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Bills Would Require Michiganders To Work For Welfare, Pass Drug Test
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Posted on 09/19/2013 6:12:18 AM PDT by Gopher Broke

LANSING (WWJ) - Could this mean the end of welfare as we know it?

A bill has passed in the Michigan Senate that would require those receiving public assistance to do some “volunteer” work. Another bill, which passed the House Commerce Committee, requires drug testing, revoking benefits for welfare recipients who refuse the test or who test positive.

“What [the legislation] does, it says, in order for your to receive your cash assistance, your welfare check, you must provide some kind of community service to the community,” said the volunteer work bill’s sponsor, State Senator Joe Hune, who represents Livingston and Shiawasse counties in Mid-Michigan.

Hune says he was inspired by a constituent who began to volunteer while on welfare — and that community service evolved into full employment.

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What a wonderful idea!! All states should do this!
1 posted on 09/19/2013 6:12:19 AM PDT by Gopher Broke
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To: Gopher Broke

I’m sure this will raise “human rights concerns”, and possibly investigations into racism and genocide.


2 posted on 09/19/2013 6:13:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gopher Broke

oh yippee

what happens when the lazy drug addict has 3, 4 kids


3 posted on 09/19/2013 6:14:38 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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"you must provide some kind of community service to the community,"

A good start as long as it isn't doing ACORN's work.

4 posted on 09/19/2013 6:16:06 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: Gopher Broke

Ohio has a, somewhat similar, bill in the works except if you test positive, Ohio tax payers pay for your rehab and you still get benefits. Isn’t that awesome?


5 posted on 09/19/2013 6:16:53 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Gopher Broke

Way to go MI.


6 posted on 09/19/2013 6:18:52 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Gopher Broke
hat a wonderful idea!! All states should do this!

So long as they don't figure out a way to make community organizing for Democrats into "volunteer work".

7 posted on 09/19/2013 6:19:13 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paladin2
A good start as long as it isn't doing ACORN's work.

Or Organizing For Obama, etc. Great point.

I notice that the Congresshole who promotes this idea goes unidentified as to his party orientation.

Typically, a Republican will get lambasted for suggesting such a thing but this guy appears to get gold stars for his idea.

My guess he is a RAT.

Still a good start. But as you point out, what is going to be considered "community service".

8 posted on 09/19/2013 6:19:58 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Gopher Broke
What are the chances of it actually being enacted?

Didn't Florida enact something similar only to have it overturned by a dictator in a black robe?

9 posted on 09/19/2013 6:20:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
If it were me I would want to give something back.

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Michigan legislative action thread
10 posted on 09/19/2013 6:22:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gopher Broke

Michigan has their own NFL team.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 6:24:53 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Texas Eagle

Joe Hune is a republican.

http://www.misenategop.com/senators/Hune.asp?District=22


12 posted on 09/19/2013 6:25:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gopher Broke

I’ve said for many years that one solution to the welfare state is for the government to never, ever give money to individuals without something in return. Free money poisons people and makes them dependent. Period.

Yes, even the disabled. They can get at least some free money from charities, but if they want it from the government they are going to have to do something in return.


13 posted on 09/19/2013 6:28:24 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Vigilanteman

If it passes, their court will likely overturn it.

MN passed welfare reform once trying to impose a minimum residency requirement (IIRC, 3 months)and the Dem court claimed it was somehow unconstitutional.


14 posted on 09/19/2013 6:28:36 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Gopher Broke

Drug tests for welfare, what a concept.

Psssst! [no pun intended] The street price of urine is going sky high!


15 posted on 09/19/2013 6:28:57 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( Get involved. Because you ARE involved.)
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you must provide some kind of community service to the community

Who else would community service be provided to?

16 posted on 09/19/2013 6:31:07 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: yldstrk
what happens when the lazy drug addict has 3, 4 kids

They have to choose between 4th amendment and their benefits.

They have to choose between their drugs and their kids.

Any bets on how it'll shake out?

17 posted on 09/19/2013 6:31:15 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( Get involved. Because you ARE involved.)
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To: HomeAtLast

I am betting they will choose drugs


18 posted on 09/19/2013 6:32:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gopher Broke

"WORK!?"


19 posted on 09/19/2013 6:32:39 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: HomeAtLast
You just gave me an idea. Since slackards can extract tax dollars from me to support their lifestyles, at least I should have the opportunity to wholesale my urine to a dealer to help pay my taxes. (Not interested in driving to the 'hood and getting a potentially higher price to retail it.)
20 posted on 09/19/2013 6:33:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gopher Broke

***community service to the community***

As opposed to community service to what?

Anyway, here’s a sales pitch: “You too can become President of the United States!”


21 posted on 09/19/2013 6:33:16 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: cuban leaf
Free money poisons people and makes them dependent.

Kinda like heroin! I hear it's quite popular.

22 posted on 09/19/2013 6:33:46 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( Get involved. Because you ARE involved.)
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To: Gopher Broke

I can har the riots in Detroit now.


23 posted on 09/19/2013 6:35:00 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Gopher Broke

I can’t even imagine why this word be controversial or even have a single opposition.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 6:36:14 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: Gopher Broke

Sanity!


25 posted on 09/19/2013 6:37:45 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Still a good start. But as you point out, what is going to be considered "community service".

If dems have their way it could be watching TV !!!

26 posted on 09/19/2013 6:37:57 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Texas Eagle

Or Organizing For Obama

The days of organizing for Obama are about over. Obama has about a year left until he SERIOUSLY becomes irrelevant. After November 2014, Obama is done....UNLESS the Democrats win a super majority in the Senate and take over the House in a huge way.....That is not happening.


27 posted on 09/19/2013 6:39:09 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: cuban leaf

If nothing else welfare recipients should have to get up every morning go down to the welfare office clock in and sit there all day. Clocking out and back in for lunch. Just like the rest of us do!!!


28 posted on 09/19/2013 6:40:13 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Gopher Broke

I agree it is a great idea, but I doubt it will pass, because the public employee unions will squawk about how using all of these volunteers reduces the need for the union jobs, puts union members out of work. If you have volunteers picking up trash or mowing in the parks, you need fewer grounds employees.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 6:42:59 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Gopher Broke

They tried that in Florida and ended up spending more for the tests than they saved in trimming the rolls. Typical government feel-good look-we’re-doing-something nonsense.


30 posted on 09/19/2013 6:43:05 AM PDT by shego
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To: yldstrk

A drug addict will prostitute her children for the next hit.
You’re right - they’ll choose the drugs.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 6:43:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Gopher Broke

Michigan BUMP!

If this passes and survives the inevitable court challenges, it might could serve as a model law for other states.


32 posted on 09/19/2013 6:44:05 AM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: Gopher Broke

Great idea! bet the bearded ones in Hamtrack won’t like that!


33 posted on 09/19/2013 6:46:05 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: Gopher Broke

RAAACISSST!


34 posted on 09/19/2013 6:47:52 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: cuban leaf
Free money poisons people and makes them dependent. Period.

Progressives want as many dependent as possible, since they will likely vote to give themselves more money and elect RATs, communists, progressives, Marxists...but I repeat myself.

35 posted on 09/19/2013 6:51:51 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Gopher Broke

put half of them to work running day care for the other half, who are digging ditches and building roads

Unless you have missing appendages or a severe medical condition you should NOT be given money to sit on your ass

I am even against “unemployment’ insurance... I know too many people who say “eh...I’ll go on unemployment for a while” like it is some sort of paid vacation


36 posted on 09/19/2013 6:51:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: cripplecreek
Ahhhhh. Very interesting. Thanks for the assist.
37 posted on 09/19/2013 6:52:48 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: ontap

If nothing else welfare recipients should have to get up every morning go down to the welfare office clock in and sit there all day. Clocking out and back in for lunch. Just like the rest of us do!!!


Yup.

If nothing else, they should have to at least show up. And let’s not kid ourselves. That is pretty much all that is required of a LOT of cubicle jobs.


38 posted on 09/19/2013 7:12:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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PERFECT!

Need this EVERYWHERE!

Especially in WA and CO, with their legal pot.

Welfare shouldn’t support the intoxicated!


39 posted on 09/19/2013 7:14:40 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: cuban leaf

Probably true but those people are paid by a private entity (excluding Govt. employees). Not by money seized from taxpayers!!


40 posted on 09/19/2013 7:17:21 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Gopher Broke

It’s already been tried and found “unconstitutional” by at least one Marxist court (can’t remember what state.) Holder’s “jus’ dis” department will attack in furiously.


41 posted on 09/19/2013 8:38:35 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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I have said for years if someone wants a welfare check and they are NOT disabled mentally or physically, they should meet a truck Monday thru Friday and get a shovel or trash pick stick and spend at least 6 hours per day out cleaning our parks and roadways............


42 posted on 09/19/2013 8:46:43 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Gopher Broke; Colofornian; svcw; Greetings_Puny_Humans

This is taken from the Mormon church’s ‘welfare’ program. Not a bad idea for government, but a horrible idea for a church.


43 posted on 09/19/2013 8:50:58 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: Gopher Broke

...the Chinese axiom “Give a man a fish, and you have fed him once. Teach him how to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime.”
THIS IS A FIRST STEP.. I am not setting off fireworks quite yet.. Nor do I revel in the pain this work program will cause with some truly needy family members caught in the net, but with most solutions to any major problem, there needs to be a beginning that will need to be corrections to bring the desired results..

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, and where and when did it start? The problem is, and always has been, POVERTY, and the poor folks that suffer from the consequences.. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION, and how can we solve it? “Ay, there’s the rub”

Let’s face it folks, there has always been “THE UNFORTUNATE FEW”, and there will always be a desire to help those who, are truly needy.. That was, and is the predicament..

Through the ages, families and friends, and entire communities, have taken it upon themselves to “share their lot, with those have not”.. However, with that help came a stigma of shame, because the sharers gave what themselves, didn’t have.. To help others, was the reward, in-and-of-itself.. CHARITY..

It was only when Government’s and so called leaders, in the face of overwhelming need, GREAT DEPRESSION, FAMINE, NATURAL DISASTERS, WAR, attempted to assume that mantel, to fulfill that role.. And that began what has become a slippery slope..

An early attempt at a government solution was the “Widows’ and Orphans’ Pensions Act, 1935”.. This was the program of public assistance, to alleviate the public conscience of the results of WWI, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, etc, to create a safety net to the most venerable, and gave birth the what is now the, SOCIAL SECURITY system.. WORTHY, and TRUE..

However, That was then, and This is now.. There have been 1700+, new programs enacted in our Congress, and TRILLIONS of Dollars of added aid to solve real and imaged new programs since then.. The exists in every community, as many as 5 generations of families that have never held a job, or were required to put any effort forward to receive money, from our taxpayers’ general fund.. They are neither, Widows or Orphans, or anything resembling such, and yet entitled to a lifetime of income, “ad infinitum”, a Latin phrase meaning “to infinity” or “forevermore”.. Well, maybe not, we shall see..

Imagine a child, or children, waking up in a home, where not a single person in that home has ever held any gainful employment, EVER.. What role model does that provide, to end this insidious cycle? Two, three, four, FIVE generations of family that have never worked for the money they receive from other hardworking families who wake each day to earn a meager existence that are forced to share what they haven’t got with those who have never even tried.. It’s a failed system, and a cruel trap, for everyone involved..

SHOULD WE TRY TO STOP THIS INJUSTICE, and give these folks on both sides of the table a chance to regain some dignity, and others to keep what is rightfully theirs? I SAY YES, what say you?


44 posted on 09/19/2013 9:12:31 AM PDT by carlo3b (Speechless in Sugar Land)
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To: cuban leaf
I’ve said for many years that one solution to the welfare state is for the government to never, ever give money to individuals without something in return.

And that something in return should be for the taxpayers, and not the government.

For example, I'm saddled with a huge tax bill. I also have lots of personal stuff that needs to be done, such as mowing the lawn, washing my car, shoveling snow, etc. The folks on welfare should have to do something for the taxpayers since we are the ones footing the bill. Come mow my lawn to free up some of my time since I'm paying for your welfare.

45 posted on 09/19/2013 9:13:54 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

And some people have been made poor BECAUSE of taxes.


46 posted on 09/19/2013 10:33:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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"...what say you?"

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47 posted on 09/19/2013 10:43:26 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Vigilanteman

I think that was on 4th Amendment grounds. Don’t know how you’d work it for welfare, but failing a drug test after being on unemployment would seem to me to be fraud, as you are required to be in employable condition.


48 posted on 09/19/2013 2:08:25 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: fwdude

Yeah I doubt it will withstand the inevitable court challenges but I think it could be tweaked to make it more acceptable to the courts.

Maybe start with a low baseline amount that can be increased if the recipient submits to drug testing and increases more for community service.


49 posted on 09/19/2013 4:52:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: yldstrk

It is long past time for welfare to have a “no increase” clause: if you’re not pregnant when you apply, the number of warm bodies RIGHT NOW is ALL that you get aid for.

There’s a Klanned Barrenhood on every other street corner and ‘free’ birth control; unless you were raped you have absolutely no excuse. This will also help put a stop to people intentionally having more brats to increase their check size.


50 posted on 09/19/2013 11:13:08 PM PDT by Me1onCollie
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