Posted on 09/19/2013 9:45:28 AM PDT by shego
No, coward is not a word that could ever be applied to me, and it never has been.
I take that back, you’re a good man. Apologies.
Fair enough. I’ll be secure in the knowledge that that insipid little clown can’t finish a fight he starts without one of the mods stepping in to save his bacon.
Abortion is not a states’ rights issue, although many libertarians say it is, any more than murder of born people is a states’ rights issue.
States do not have the right to make laws that violate the Constitution. Any law allowing or permitting any person to lose his life without due process of law as in execution for a crime, is obviously unconstitutional.
So therefore abortion is not a states’ rights issue. Nor should the fedgov need to make a federal law against it, if everything wasn’t insanely evil.
But, since everything is insanely evil and corrupted, there does need to be a fed. law prohibiting killing of the unborn.
Because I speak of the Lord, it ipso facto has to be “self righteous”? Where was this ever proven?
The Pharisees held Jesus to be “self righteous” too, to the point of blaspheming their imaginary God which as they saw it was in the chief business of smacking people down, and thus was the appropriate fuel for their perpetually punitive attitudes.
If you keep up clinging to perpetually punitive attitudes, you never WILL understand the redemptive, conquering ways of salvation. This is a tautology of truth.
I have the right to speak of your harmful desires without condemning the person holding the desires, because salvation also exists. You, I, anyone can set yourself upon the Lord’s authority and tell the wrong desires to leave and be saved from their tyranny.
Evil does not cease being evil, but panning creatures that God is intent upon saving by any means possible if they will permit, is going to fundamentally warp your ability to deal constructively with evil. One cannot construct anything lasting that is not founded upon God.
Don’t take someone at face value who says he isn’t a coward without looking where his attitudes take him. (Unless you are now using finely modulated irony here.) I haven’t tried to pick this entire discourse apart but some salient things strike me.
You can find maximal courage with a Jesus approach to things, which is not to damn anyone shy of their final appointment with God (and then it becomes moot anyhow). As a corollary don’t praise people but praise ideas and praise works, always remembering to give God the credit.
Be careful about the Libertarian Party with capital L and P. They are a thoroughly mixed bag. There are skunks in its punch bowl. I would desire, for example, it had some Christian guts which would repel the homosexualizers, meaning those who are not content to bugger one another but wish to bugger society to conform to their lusts as well. That does not make the LP’s nobler aspirations wrong, but without calling on divine power it is going to succumb to sin and become an evil thing. (This is true also for GOP and has already played out very strongly in the now virtually godless Democrat party.)
As for talking about being drunk that is a cheap shot.
So I have possibly disappointed you too, but I’m just trying to redirect attention where it belongs: heaven, not earth. Heaven should be sought, glorified, and its affairs incorporated into earthly ones.
Incidentally if you will not reference God then you WILL get self righteously preachy, as if morality was fully contained within you and you could critique what goes on from that standpoint as though it were from God on high. Disclaiming God is false modesty and turns everything upside down. It’s better that people talk about God and get some things wrong than not to talk about God at all.
My “agenda” is to fold heaven back into earthly affairs even if that slaughters some worldly conservative sacred cows. But it will also slaughter a lot of liberal sacred cows too, it’s not like God just picks on you guys so full of yourselves.
It’s because of robust faith in God, for instance, that sumptuary laws about “demon [name the substance]” were NOT CONSIDERED NEEDED in George Washington’s time! Getting high gratuitously (as opposed to side effects of genuinely intended medicinal use) was frowned upon because that blasphemed all manner of divine purposes for mankind, purposes that once mankind acknowledged.
Relegating God off to the realm of “mere religion” is exactly what put America in the sad spot it is in today. And you want to perpetuate that!
No one started a fight with you, you never joined the conversation, you avoided that and went straight to bizarre personal attacks that the mods had to start removing.
To: Orangedog
So you can’t focus on the topic and our posts?
Rather than personally attacking me for my position on homosexuals in the military and gay marriage in the military, why not merely explain why you support them.
331 posted on 9/20/2013 12:56:57 PM by ansel12
>> As for talking about being drunk that is a cheap shot.
You were included on those posts for a reason, but not suggest anyone was truly drunk.
I apologized for the “coward” remark.
Don't make up such false accusations, not only is it not true, as I am the one fighting to preserve Christian morality in American law and culture against the forces of libertarianism/leftism, you sure didn't see it in post 388.
There is a reason that we social conservatives and Christians are the ones the libertarians hate the most and are dedicated to defeating inside the GOP.
Agreed.
and Ron Paul wrote a scathing letter attacking Reagan. He left the republican party...sorry but the libertarians today are whack jobs
>> It takes hours to get you to admit
I felt bad about calling you a coward, but not about calling you liar, which you certainly are.
You don’t agree with my definition of libertarianism and how it’s distinguished from liberalism, right?
got that right, I asked them questions about their no age sex, sex with animals, drugs open borders and I had one of them trying to get be banned.
They spout their no govt but when they are asked about sex age laws , open borders they then will not answer as they know their views are in line with the communist agenda and what they did is to try and belittle you, report you , anything to suit you as to you never letting others know their true agenda
exactly, lets say a young teen girl wants to kill her baby but her states does not allow it, , well she goes to the next state to have it done and then she returns home with no questions
because they know if their true feelings are exposed ten they know they are looked at as either nuts, communists or left of most liberals
That’s exactly why some law needs to federal.
I never accepted the “conservative” argument that it should up to the states to decide. The LP platform is obviously worse in its liberal position.
Tell you what, how about you go find a post where I supported homosexuals in the military right now, post a link to it or apologize and move on. Since you decided it was perfectly ok to totally manufacture and assign a position on that issue to me, it only seemed fair to make up and assign one to you. It’s not my problem that you can’t jandle some of your own medicine, little girl.
Oraqngedog just go back to post 325 which freaked you out so much that post after post after post had to be deleted.
My post 328 was an appropriate inquiry to what you had posted and had deleted in post 326.
I tried to get you to focus on the issue at hand repeatedly.
“”To: Orangedog
So you can’t focus on the topic and our posts?
Rather than personally attacking me for my position on homosexuals in the military and gay marriage in the military, why not merely explain why you support them.
331 posted on 9/20/2013 12:56:57 PM by ansel12””
but nothing worked, even now you keep posting nothing but personal attacks and absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic or our posts about it.
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