Posted on 09/20/2013 9:48:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
CNN) -- Not in my lifetime have I witnessed a pope who has so quickly succeeded in making more Catholics, and non-Catholics, hyperventilate than Pope Francis. Indeed, some are ready to jump off the bleachers. They all need to calm down.
Pope Francis is delightfully frank, and that is what makes him positively engaging. He is also provocative in the best sense of that word. He seeks to challenge us and shake us out of our comfort zone. But he is not about to turn the Catholic Church upside down and inside out. Such talk is pure lunacy.
In a three-part meeting in Rome with Catholic journalists last month, Pope Francis offered his thoughts on a wide range of subjects; they were published Thursday by America magazine, the Jesuit weekly. Everyone should read it for themselves.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Bill Donohue. Another water carrier for the folks who have sold out our Church.
You Freepers should always believe whatever those of us in the mainstream media report about Christianity in general and the pope in particular ... especially what you see in the editorial pages of the New York Times ... because we are totally unbiased and we never get our facts wrong.
I don't think ANY religious leader should be issued a Taser.
Isn't that what Moochelle said about her candidate husband? How did THAT work out...
Pope Francis, “Later in the interview, when talking about how the church must drop worn out dogmas...”
The situation was that people of Israel had taken to Baal worship, a faith that added a lot of whores to its rituals and thus gained immediate popularity. Elijah (not the one with the bears, that was Elisha) decided that the people had to choose between Baal and God.Rather than write a series of books or give a bunch of boring speeches, Elijah invited 450 Baal prophets to a contest, where both sides would set up an animal sacrifice. Whichever God could rain down fire on its sacrifice would be the one everybody worshiped.
It's brilliant in its simplicity, and we're surprised religious debates were ever carried out any other way after that. You can raise all the intellectual challenges you want about faith and the origins of the universe, but at the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire. It's common sense.
We like to think Elijah stood in front of the howling column of heavenly fire, straightened his robes, turned to the crowd and said, "Thus, my opponent's argument falls." Then, he finished the debate in the way that all debates should be finished: by having the losers slaughtered.
-- from the thread The 9 Most Badass Bible Verses
Zakeet, You have nicely summed up what I have spent so many long Saturdays arguing here on this beloved Free Republic site.
The monkey says it all, down to his glassy-eyed stare, or is it steely-eyed?
Bill Donahue has not sold out from any awareness I have. Pope Francis is making it difficult for us to defend him and the Church by speaking at all to these people, but so what.
The original statement is the only document to read.
Nowadays we have to be ashamed of “dogmas” and not of shifting our consciousness to animal behavior... or, rather, God never promoted shame but merely opening one’s eyes and restoring sight, but we have to be ashamed of not sharing in the blindness.
This is tyranny of Sodom irony.
You can use quotation marks all you want, but the pope NEVER said “the Church must drop worn out dogmas”
If you did not read the original document, what the Pope said, then your commenting on it is pure silliness.
You may as well be angry at Ted Cruz for what the NYT says about him.
I take it you didn't read the article. Are you thinking of Phil Donahue? Bill Donahue is head of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
Pope Francis, “Later in the interview, when talking about how the church must drop worn out dogmas...”
And miele man, do you believe everything you read on the Web site of the BBC—the New York Times of England? There's no quotation backing up that little summation, you notice. Read Donohue's piece, and don't be fooled by Communists trying, as usual, to distort what Catholic authorities say, as they did during and after Vatican II.
After Francis was elected, the Culture of Death press was up in arms when they discovered he had—in writing—described the campaign for same-sex marriage as the work of the devil. But now they're hoping we've forgotten that.
Who here can read Italian?
I need a concise translation of the questions and answers from the original.
Kind of makes “...is the Pope Catholic?” ... take on new meaning. Now it is a REAL question.
The Pope certainly has often been misquoted and misrepresented by the best in the business. When we start seeing him proclaim that 90% of the Commandments is a passing grade; then worry.
WHO REALLY IS POPE FRANCIS?
Pope Says Church Is ‘Obsessed’ With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Six months into his papacy, Pope Francis sent shock waves through the Roman Catholic Church on Thursday with the publication of his remarks that the church had grown “obsessed” with abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he had chosen not to talk about those issues despite recriminations from critics.
“OBSESSION” in defense the unborn baby and opposing abortion, the “most abominable of crimes”, as stated in Vatican II, is not a sin but a virtue, and Pastors of the Church who disparage those who fight for the unborn, are betraying one of the main tenets of the Catholic Church.
The BBC reported that Pope Francis turned down the red cape with ermine by saying this: “No thank you, Monsignore. You put it on instead. Carnival time is over!”
And he walked into the papal apartments and said “There’s room for 300 people here. I don’t need all this space.”
ISN’T to brag about your own humility denoting a form of arrogance? Isn’t Pope Francis in fact belittling the virtues of previous Popes?
Pope Francis: ‘I have never been a right-winger’
By Steve Ahlquist on September 19, 2013
In an almost direct rebuke to critics, including Rhode Island’s own Bishop Thomas Tobin, leader of the Providence Diocese, Pope Francis, in his first extensive interview since being elected to the head of the Roman Catholic Church, has said, we cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.
SHOULDON’T Bergoglio rather answer that a Pope must be above labels and state firmly and clearly that his duty is to defend unequivocally the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Magisterium of the Church?
What was the position Bergoglio had then regarding Liberation Theology?
He was completely against it. In fact, as Theology students, we had never studied a single book by, for instance, Gustavo Gutiérrez, one of the founders of Liberation Theology, of by [Leonardo] Boff, or by Paulo Freire, with his studies on an education that is not a cultural “dependency” [of the “imperialistic powers”]. In Philosophy, we had read little, very little, of Heidegger and Kierkegaard, one single chapter of Thus Spoke Zarathustra... Not to mention Marx, Engels, Sartre, Foucault, the Post-Moderns, etc. Nothing that could contradict Catholic doctrine or dogmas. All that under strict orders of Jorge Bergoglio.
BERGOGLIO was against Liberation Theology… before he was for it. Why, otherwise, Leonardo Boff, the Maryknolls, and all the main advocates of Marxist Liberation Theology, are elated with the new Pope?
“Worn out dogmas’’. Like what? The Sermon On The Mount? The Fishes And Loaves? The Hail Mary? Christians are being persecuted and killed all over the world and this pope wants to be cool. Good God.
And so on with the BBC and Ahlquist mentions. Are your own remarks in there somewhere, too? Anyway, I read the man's own words, and avoid reporters' paraphrases of them, because reporters when talking about things Catholic are ignorant and dishonest.
Here is the interview as published in the Jesuit magazine America:
http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview
It’s actually quite beautiful, and moving. There is nothing inconsistent with the Church’s firm teachings, or with the full expression of God’s mercy for us sinners.
I strongly encourage everyone who wants to understand Pope Francis to read it, rather than reading the Guardian’s take on it.
I think that America is planning to publish an actual transcript of the interview in English, but in the meantime I doubt they are hiding anything here, even though they are a left-leaning publication.
“Bill Donohue. Another water carrier for the folks who have sold out our Church.”
You seem to be suggesting that you know something about Donahue that the rest of us don’t. Do tell us.
Or are you just reacting to this one article, and assuming a whole bunch of other things about Donahue?
Please, if you have some facts to mention to support your insult, we are all ears.
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