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No communion for Nancy Pelosi: Vatican court head
The Washington Times ^ | September 24, 2013 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 09/24/2013 10:18:48 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

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To: SeekAndFind
Certe.

{... closest to "Yes" in Latin ... for our non-Catholic--or Catholics of other Rites--friends}

21 posted on 09/24/2013 10:48:03 AM PDT by Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey ("I have an open mind ... just not so open that my brain falls out onto the floor!!")
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To: SeekAndFind

All those others are also excommunicated “latae sentiae” and they know it. This amounts to the Vatican singling out Nancy Pelosi probably because she starts every sentence with “My Catholic faith requires me to” and finishes it with something terrible, and because of her unique position of power. The Vatican is saying to the world, “Nancy Pelosi’s claims are contrary to the Catholic faith and must be opposed by all people of good will.”


22 posted on 09/24/2013 10:48:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

The good Cardinal Burke does know of the scandal Pelosi flagrantly causes the lay faithful in the US, and also the broader public damage she causes the Church in general.

Now, the guilty, complicit bishops and cardinals and priests offering her Holy Communion must surely be in line for correction, also.

Justice served and delivered is as scandalously late from within the Church, as it is so outside the Church.


23 posted on 09/24/2013 10:51:39 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: DAC21; SES1066; ExTexasRedhead; Da Coyote; wbill; jersey117; FlingWingFlyer; sickoflibs; SIRTRIS; ..
Pelosi's local bishop is Archbishop Salvitore Cordileone in San Francisco. He's a Good Guy, one of the vertebrates. Be expecting to hear from him soon.

My guess is that Cardinal Burke --- who, as head of the Apostolic Signatura, is the equivalent of the Chief Justice of the USSC over in Rome --- would not have made this statement in the terms he did ("That’s canon law, not opinion") if Pope Francis and Abp Cordileone weren't ready and willing to enforce.

On the other hand, I'm also half expecting to hear a little whimpering from Abp. Donald Wuerl of DC, who --- like Prezzy Obama --- thinks he has the right to refuse to enforce any legislation he doesn't like. He' probably scrambling to see whether it's still possible to lose this somewhere in the back of his filing cabinet until Christ comes again.

To which I say, "Maranatha" ---

Pray and Watch.

24 posted on 09/24/2013 10:57:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

But she bess not start a fight with the Vatican


Don’t worry, she will.

‘Ol Nancy’s clutch is beginning to slip bad...


25 posted on 09/24/2013 10:58:11 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: TheBattman

The Catholic church teaches that one who receives the Eucharist unworthily “drinks damnation upon himself.”

(”Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.” 1 Cor 11:27-29)

“Unworthily,” to Catholics, is understood to mean in a state of unrepentent, mortal sin, or without recognizing that the Eucharist is literally and objectively the body and blood of Christ. The latter reason is why Catholics do not offer Protestants the eucharist, not as an act of hatred or judgment, but of charity, so that the Protestant does not spiritually harm himself; the former reason is the Church affirming that salvation requires repentance from sin.


26 posted on 09/24/2013 10:59:12 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

Frequently Asked Questions
regarding
THE SIN OF ABORTION
AND THE
SACRAMENT OF CONFESSION.

Q. 1. Does the Catechism of the Catholic Church teach us anything about how a Catholic caan be forgiven of the sin of abortion?

A. 1. The following two sections of the Catechism of the Catholic Church state:

# 2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” [CIC, can. 1398] “by the very commission of the offense,” [CIC, can. 1314] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. [Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324] The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society. [1463]

# 1463 Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted, according to canon law, except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them. [Cf. CIC, cann. 1331; 1354-1357; CCEO, can. 1431; 1434; 1420] In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication. [Cf. CIC, can. 976; CCEO, can. 725] [982]

Q. 2. What does that mean in simple English?

A. 2. It means that anyone who has an abortion, participates in an abortion, or supports an abortion, he or she, by the previously mentioned actions, is automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church. (C.C.C. # 2273)

Accordingly, that person can no longer receive any of the Sacraments of the Catholic Church, be it the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist (Communion), Marriage or the Sacrament of Confession. For an excommunication to be lifted (ended), the sinner must approach the local Bishop, inform him of his/her “latae sententiae” excommunication through the sin of abortion and ask the Bishop to have the excommunication lifted (ended) and to be absolved of the sin of abortion. The Bishop may authorize a priest to specifically deal with this absolution on his behalf. (C.C.C. # 1463) Contrary to the popular belief of Catholics, this does not mean that all priests can absolve a penitent of the excommunication. Only a priest who is specifically appointed by the Bishop to do so, may do so.

Q. 3. Does that mean that if a woman had an abortion and confessed it to a priest who had not been specifically appointed by the local Bishop to lift her excommunication, that her sin was never forgiven?

A. 3. That is correct! There have been many instances where priests did not realize that an abortion incurs an automatic excommunication. As such, while they may enjoy the authority to forgive sins, they do not have the authority to lift excommunications. Consequently, while a person is excommunicated, that person cannot validly receive any of the Sacraments, that including the Sacrament of Confession. (Exception: In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, any priest can absolve from every sin and excommunication.)

Q. 4. That being the case, most likely, a very large number of women never had their sin of abortion forgiven because they never had their excommunication lifted by their local Bishop or by a priest appointed by the local Bishop to do so.

A. 4. I agree with that. Most likely, less than 25% of Catholics who had an abortion, participated in one, or supported an abortion, actually had their sins forgiven because they did not observe the Church policy on the matter.

Q. 5. Would the same apply to Catholic politicians who support abortions?

A. 5. Yes! They are automatically excommunicated and are no longer able to enjoy any of the Church Sacraments. To receive any of the Church Sacraments after having been excommunicated, these politicians are drawing the wrath of God against them for continuing to insult the Lord Jesus after having shown little respect for life through the support of abortions.
http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu70.htm

So yes, technically all of them are excommunicated.


27 posted on 09/24/2013 10:59:15 AM PDT by EBH ( Freeman: A person not in slavery or serfdom.)
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To: Romulus
This may interest you-- #24
28 posted on 09/24/2013 11:01:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: albie

Yeah, but she needs Confession -— and possibly exorcism -— first.


29 posted on 09/24/2013 11:01:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: fwdude

I think we can make sure there are consequences. I’m confident there are faithful Catholics with cameras ready to birddog her and document any offense, which would be sacrilegious abuse of a Sacrament: a serious bad.


30 posted on 09/24/2013 11:04:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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To: dangus

That is all well and good. I would correct your post a bit - in your opening line, you said “the Catholic church teaches”, but as your following parenthetical verifies, the Apostle Paul, centuries before the “Catholic Church”, taught the same.

But the Catholic church has been threatening politicians for many years with the cutting off of communion for those who support abortion. It has yet to materialize, and I do not expect it to arrive any time soon.


31 posted on 09/24/2013 11:04:35 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Snickering Hound

Do not call the Eucharistic Body of Christ a cracker.


32 posted on 09/24/2013 11:05:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (""My Body is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed.")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I’m not a Catholic, does this mean she is excommunicated?


33 posted on 09/24/2013 11:06:59 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: TheBattman

True. But the Catholic church teaches that everything the Catholic church teaches was taught, albeit perhaps in a more conceptually primitive way*, since the apostles.

(*Several concepts, such as the trinity, transubstantiation, and temporal purgation of souls in the afterlife were not taught in so many words by the apostles.)

I say, “the Catholic church teaches” out of recognition that not all Christian believers interpret the teaching of the apostles in the same manner.


34 posted on 09/24/2013 11:11:11 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

Especially Joe Biden.


35 posted on 09/24/2013 11:12:39 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Now, if only the leaders of the Mormon Church had the balls to kick “Whorehouse” Harry Reid to the curb. Throw in the Udall’s and Flake as well. None of them come remotely close to adhering to their faith’s tenets.


36 posted on 09/24/2013 11:13:46 AM PDT by vette6387 (o)
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To: sportutegrl

See post #27

Any Catholic politician supporting abortion is already excommunicated simply by their acts.

This “announcement” was a reminder not only for Pelosi and other politicians, but also for the Church to uphold the Canon Law.


37 posted on 09/24/2013 11:14:37 AM PDT by EBH ( Freeman: A person not in slavery or serfdom.)
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To: thorvaldr

“-—the church should stand up for itself-—” Yeah, right. I’ll be waiting for that. I’m sure Pope Franky will soon be naming names of back sliding Catholics, calling out pedophiles, condemming sodomites, and maybe even calling in the Kennedy clan for a refresher course in bead counting. Yup. gonna happen any minute now.


38 posted on 09/24/2013 11:19:25 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Snickering Hound
I'll believe it when they turn away John Kerry from getting his cracker.

What an incredibly ignorant thing to say, shame on you.

39 posted on 09/24/2013 11:20:25 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: TheBattman
It has yet to materialize, and I do not expect it to arrive any time soon.


40 posted on 09/24/2013 11:20:55 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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