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US signs treaty to regulate global arms trading
Associated Press ^ | Sep 25, 2013 11:40 AM EDT | Matthew Lee

Posted on 09/25/2013 9:05:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai

The United States, the world’s largest arms dealer, has joined more than 90 other nations in signing a treaty that regulates global arms trading, but there is strong resistance in the Senate, which must ratify it.

Secretary of State John Kerry, who signed the Arms Trade Treaty on Wednesday, said it was a “significant step” in keeping the world safe and preventing terrorists and others from obtaining conventional weapons. …

Addressing U.S. critics of the treaty, the former senator said fears that it would undermine Americans’ constitutional right to keep and bear arms are not grounded in reality.

For one, the treaty does not regulate domestic weapons sales. …

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KEYWORDS: att; banglist; democrats; firearms; globalarmstreaty; govtabuse; guncontrol; guns; johnfnkerry; obama; ratification; secondamendment; senate; terrorists; treason; treaty; tyranny; un; unconstitutional; wewillnotcomply; willnotbeinfringed; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: NonValueAdded

“Looks like a two front war, boys and girls.”

There ya go, that is EXACTLY what this is. We can’t let up on their relentless assaults on We the People.


81 posted on 09/25/2013 3:28:39 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’d imagine that we might have enough “international commerce” folks that could

just
stop
doing
business

inprotest...leaving Jihad Farooq QQarry to twist in the wind?

Unfortunately, too many of those “internationalists” are squishy mooks that could care less about revenue beyond the next quarter, 2013.


82 posted on 09/25/2013 3:39:34 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Cletus, I’m sorry but I was referring to the international gun trade. I didn’t get specific, but I had thought folks would understand where I was going there since this was the U.N. gun control measure.

I wasn’t trying to make a point regarding over-all trade.


83 posted on 09/25/2013 3:43:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: DoughtyOne
States and municipalities implemented much of it. In many areas it’s the same as if our federal government had signed on.

If the President wants to declare that September 27 is National no-Cheese day, and municipalities should forbid sales of cheese on that day, he can. If some municipalities decide to forbid cheese sales on that day, they may do so. Any municipality that does so, however, should be viewed as having done so of its own accord. Municipalities should decide to follow or not follow the President's recommendations based upon their merits, not based upon the fact that the President issued them.

Also, I believe Kyoto was signed by Clinton personally, was it not? Is there any reason anyone should regard Kerry's signature on a treaty as being more meaningful than would be that of my local convenience-store clerk?

84 posted on 09/25/2013 3:44:57 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I recognized that. I just find it frustrating that we don’t have enuf ballsy “traders” to just tell UN nanny’s to PUAR (piss up a rope).


85 posted on 09/25/2013 3:50:19 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Olog-hai

Judge Allows International Law to Trump US Constitution’s First Amendment Right to Criticize Homosexuality

http://joemiller.us/2013/08/judge-allows-international-law-to-trump-us-constitutions-first-amendment-right-to-criticize-homosexuality/


87 posted on 09/25/2013 4:42:39 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: NonValueAdded

All great points...Kerry has made me sick for the last 5 decades.


88 posted on 09/25/2013 5:33:56 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Biggirl
That is why you will see folks hiding their weapons.

I won't be hiding jacksh!t. I will be brandishing and using when the time comes.

Screw them!

89 posted on 09/25/2013 5:57:30 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Olog-hai

90 posted on 09/25/2013 6:16:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: Olog-hai; Revolting cat!; GeronL

Does this apply to the Ubama administration arming Mexican narcoterrorists and Syrian jihadists?


91 posted on 09/25/2013 6:31:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

That is a very good question and I bet this admin would say no.


92 posted on 09/25/2013 6:32:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Olog-hai; null and void; Godzilla; Travis McGee
The NRA has been hounding me for donations because they said that while the treaty may not be ratified in today's political climate, the treaty could languish for years, even decades until a more decidedly antigun Senate majority could suddenly deal the country a sudden WHAMMY with a surprise ratification.

IIRC, and I'm by no means sure, but I thought that with proposed Constitutional Amendments (and maybe also with treaties?) that lacking ratification within a certain time period rendered that document null and void (not the freeper of the same name! Sorry nully). So, does anyone know if this is true?

93 posted on 09/25/2013 6:33:23 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s a Baptism of Communism!


94 posted on 09/25/2013 7:02:07 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: KittenClaws

My motto is:When it’s time to bury ‘em, it’s time to dig’em up!


95 posted on 09/25/2013 7:15:39 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: Olog-hai

People cannot claim ignorance, if this is what this country continues to vote for than really there isn’t much we can do to stop it.... The credibility of this entire administration is shot and the people know it, if the Democrats still retain power in the Senate after 2014 elections than it really is over...there won’t be any stopping Hillary and by the time her 2 terms are over it will be too late.... People have been warned, they now reap what they sow.


96 posted on 09/25/2013 7:43:50 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Remember America "The FIsh Rots From the Head Down")
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To: SumProVita

CORKER WARNS OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AGAINST ANY ACTION TO IMPLEMENT U.N. ARMS TRADE TREATY WITHOUT SENATE ADVICE AND CONSENT........

Any act to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, before the Congress provides its advice and consent would be fundamentally inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution, law, and practice,” said Corker......

Full text of the letter is included below and in the attached document.

Dear President Obama,

It is my understanding that Secretary of State John Kerry will sign the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on behalf of the United States. The ATT raises significant legislative and constitutional questions. Any act to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, before the Congress provides its advice and consent would be inconsistent with the United States Constitution, law, and practice.

As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law. The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent. As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.

Moreover, even after the Senate provides its advice and consent, certain treaties require changes to United States law in the form of legislation passed by both the House and Senate. The ATT is such a treaty. Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution.

Because of the concerns discussed above, as well as the fundamental issues the ATT raises with respect to the individual rights protected by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, as the Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, it is my view that you may not take any executive action to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, unless and until: (1) the United States Senate has provided its constitutionally required advice and consent to its ratification; and (2) the Congress has passed any and all required legislation to bring this treaty into effect under United States domestic law.

Sincerely,

Senator Bob Corker
Ranking Member


97 posted on 09/25/2013 8:20:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: ExSoldier

Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law.

The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent. As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.

More at post 97


98 posted on 09/25/2013 8:23:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: RinaseaofDs

Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., one of the most vocal opponents of the treaty, sent a letter to Kerry declaring it “dead in the water,”..... since a majority of senators has gone on record against the agreement.

“The administration is wasting precious time trying to sign away our laws to the global community and unelected U.N. bureaucrats,


99 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
This I already knew. What I'm asking is that: Suppose the treaty languishes for over 7 years (which is I think the "drop dead" time period for an unratified-by-the-states Constitutional Amendment) -- can a different Senate body suddenly ratify an older Treaty and have it take the force of law?
100 posted on 09/25/2013 11:53:24 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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