Skip to comments.Pat Buchanan: The House should send up bills one at a time without Obamacare - Start with Defense
Posted on 09/26/2013 8:10:13 PM PDT by 11th_VA
Pat was on with Greta. Make Reid NOT fund the military over Obamacare. Then Dept State, Justice, etc. The public will soon understand the RATS are holding up funding Gov't over Obamacare.
I like it a LOT. Start with defense. Eventually they might get around to funding the EPA and the IRS. Eventually.
That’s too smart....plus it might make some folks uncomfortable.
Each time a bill passes the House, just have the House members say, “we disagree with the Senate on Obamacare, but that doesn’t mean our Sailors and servicemen should suffer ...” Then repeat with Dept State ... Etc
Good tactical thinking. Do It!
How about this? 24 hr CR plus full budget. Next day - 24hr CR plus full budget only slightly smaller. Lather, rinse, repeat. Make them show up every day...thru Christmas and beyond. Life needs to be made personally miserable for the Senate Dems.
Thats great. Sent it to my Rep.
The CR needs to focus on People groups not funding levels. That’s why the GOP talking poInt needs to be, “we disagree with the Senate, but we don’t think ‘x’ group should be held hostage”. Remember, the Senate line is, the GOP is holding US public hostage. Pass bills to demonstrate that the opposite is true.
After the military, I can't think of very much that should be funded.
They don't have to worry, they are exempt from Obamacare.
They've got their fat paychecks and perks, to hell with the problems of the peasants they are supposed to be representing.
I wish I had a Rep that cared. BTW, I turned on the Senate brief to reporter’s tonight (almost vomited) but they now have a clock next to them that is counting down and reads, “X days hours minutes til GOP shuts down the Government” - really sick ...
Some guy on Hannity called in this afternoon saying this. It is so simple it is brilliant and since it is so simple and there is something probably wrong with it. However, I see nothing in the Constitution that says it can’t be done unless some meat heads have created some stupid procedural rule preventing it.
Send every thing across that needs to be done and nothing that doesn’t need to be done. Full support and approval for essential functions... Constitutionally permitted functions of the Federal Government and nothing else.
It sounds great, but keep in mind Reid will just add an amendment funding all of government and then send it back to house. Then what? It’s the same predicament over and over again.
I think they should just shut the government down until 2017. I’d be happy with that.
I really think that's what John Adams(?) Meant when he said, Democracy can only work in a Christian Society. There are now no limits, no morals in politics, so its to the bottom we go.
This concept makes total sense! That is why the BUFFOONS in the GOP will reject it!
Yes.. they are that stupid!
Good comment - this is like a chess game, my move ... Let me think ...
They need to stop with the CR nonsense and force a full budget. Make them show up every single day to vote against doing their Constitutional duty.
They wont do it. After the election in 2010, they conceded defeat to Obama, and now cannot admit that their opposition to it since that time is strictly to con the base. They hate Cruz and Lee because they are forcing them to admit the truth. What they are doing now is all smoke and mirrors.
Ole Pat’s not senile yet!
Pat Buchanan column just out:
It’s good old American common sense like this that caused me to support Pat in ‘92 and and ‘96 and to head his campaign in my county.
Hope the pubbies in the House pick up on it.
I watched Ted Cruz during his valiant effort to halt the disaster called Obamacare. I hope you watched it as well. If he has used it once, he used the phrase “...we no longer listen to the people, our constituents...” over a hundred times. And he was right...they don’t. And the fact is, THEY NO LONGER NEED TO.
I’ve sent my little rant on this topic before but Ted’s honest comment compels me to do so again.
WHY THE POLITICAL RULING CLASS NO LONGER LISTENS TO US!
Among others, Thomas Jefferson warned that the financial disaster we now face would be but one of many problems paper money would visit upon us if we allowed our leaders to remove the backing from the currency, to wit:
When the servants of the people are paid with something other than that which the people themselves have produced (i.e. the real, tangible products of their labors or some fixed and real medium of that exchange), the roles of master and servant will be reversed.
It was believed by Roger Sherman and a majority of those at the Constitutional Convention that un-backed currency would so damage the fabric of the nation that they ATTEMPTED to prohibit it with these few words at Article 1, Section 10, requiring the states to enforce the prohibition: No State shall make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;
If the people and their states grew inattentive to this matter (and they have!), Jefferson also saw this problem ahead:
In a letter to John Taylor in 1816, he wrote, “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
We have been swindling futurity for a long time and this is now where we find ourselves. If the government, through its banker masters at the Federal Reserve, can create money from thin air, they certainly dont need ours every April 15th. That annual sheep shearing is simply an attempt to vacuum enough of the excess paper from the system to keep the rest of us from catching on to the biggest theft ring in the history of man. They have now created so much that their attempt is failing and failing badly to a point where all but the dullest among us (Obama voters and his growing cadres of personal and corporate welfare beneficiaries) are starting to get it.
If you understood that last paragraph, you can now make the small leap to an understanding as to why the progressive utopian welfare state hacks in Washington dont give a damn WHAT you think. Their power to create all the money they need to fuel their infernal machine and fill the gaping maws of enough of those hoards of welfare constituents to assure their perpetual re-election means that — ready — THEY NO LONGER NEED YOU! They have become, as Mr. Jefferson predicted, our MASTERS.
That they are taking down a nation and a system that has provided more wealth, safety and abundance to more people than any other in history matters not to them. Failing to grasp the lesson of the French Revolution, they believe themselves to be above the impending disaster.
Were running out of time to get this increasingly rapacious beast back into the cage from which we have carelessly allowed it to escape.
Senate position is, 'we want a clean bill, the Republicans are holding everyone hostage...'
In that scenario, even with a liberal press, I think the pressure would be on the Senate to pass the bills sent over by the House ...
If I were a congressman I'd be willing to risk shutdown over that scenario and talking points.
Maybe he is only senile every other article?
I thought I remembered this since we used to wait out the public works stuff for the Corps in the Defense Appropriations Bill or the Rivers and Harbors Appropriation.
Someone said reed would just send it back with all the funding but guess what? He isn’t supposed to be able to originate any spending in the spinate.
The Constitution is silent on the Budget save for that the president submits it to Congress for approval.
Spending bills have been approved for each of 12 agencies since about 1974 and the budget process we are supposed to have but have not followed since 2009 was part of the Budget Act of 1921. The House would be well within their rights to approve budgets by the agency I think.
Although the Constitution does not require the president to present an annual budget, in 1921 the Budget and Accounting Act became law and laid the foundation for the modern budget process, which includes the presidents budget. More recently, the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 established a timetable for the annual budget process, which is kicked off each year by the presidential budget submission. The Budget Act specifies that the presidents budget should be presented to Congress on or before the first Monday in February, which generally coincides with the timing of the presidents annual State of the Union Address.
They have managed to make the budget process complicated and in 1974 pushed through baseline budgeting that allows spending to continue without approval since the Congress thought the were just to busy to have to do zero base budgeting every year and so we got government growth automatically proceeding at inflation plus 3% each year.
Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution of the United States of America
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Considering Cruz was talking about this very idea Sunday morning I’m guessing he likes it! ;) At the time I told my hubby Boehner wouldn’t have the nerve to do it!
The way to win in politics is to STAY ON OFFENSE !
MAKE DC LISTEN: TELL YOUR SENATORS TO OPPOSE CLOTURE ON H.J. RES 59
We must oppose cloture on H. J. Res. 59, so that Harry Reid and Senate Democrats cannot sneak in funding for Obamacare. We need you to call your Senators right now: tell them to oppose cloture on H.J. Res 59 and remind them that a vote for cloture IS a for funding Obamacare.
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Rand Paul had been on this list, but it looks like he has backed off. CALL HIS OFFICE!
It totally kills the RAT arguement the GOP wants to shutdown the Gov't.
I'm beginning to think the next few weeks is Gettysburg for the GOP. By working public opinion they could come out of this with the re-established recognition that the HOUSE sets budgets in this country - I need to sleep
It’s like Rush said Republicans won big in 2010 and not by being bootlickers, it’s probably at Limbaugh’s website, he stated it much better, eloquently.... I’ve got to get shuteye too.
Senator Tim Scott on there, I heard him earlier talking about this I believe on Fox.
I also now remember Cruz said something like this as well.
Bohner was very coy tonight on what the next move of the GOP was going to be.
Couple that with the fact the RATs are in total ‘personal destruction mode’, they might be scared the GOP is going to do this.
I heard Cruz talk of the strategy on Hugh Hewitt last week.
HH: This will be a terrific week next week. We will cover it wall to wall, every minute of it, and I hope that those arguments are made. I also hope, Senator, and in fact, Ill ask you, will you fight as hard to fully fund the military as you have fought to defund Obamacare?
TC: Absolutely yes, and thats one thing thats worth underscoring. Republicans are united. None of us want to shut down the government. Every one of us wants to keep the government funded. Tomorrow, the House of Representatives is going to vote to fund the federal government in its entirety, every bit of the federal government. Even parts we may not be happy with, the House Republicans are going to vote to fund. And if there is a risk of a partial temporary government shutdown, it will be only because Harry Reid and Barack Obama choose to threaten that risk in order to deny hard-working American families the same exemption that theyve already given to big corporations and to members of Congress. And President Obama and the Senate Democrats have suggested that they might be willing to threaten the pay of the men and women of our armed services. I think that is profoundly cynical and its wrong. And if Harry Reid tries to shut down the government to force Obamacare on us, I think the House of Representatives should step up and pass one continuing resolution after another, starting with a continuing resolution that simply funds the military, pays the men and women of the military, sends it over, and see if Harry Reid is willing to look in the eyes of our soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines, and say that hes going to try to cut off their paycheck because hes so committed to Obamacare. I dont think Harry Reid will be willing to do that, and I think we ought to keep pressing this over and over and over again to say we want to fund the government, but we are listening to the American people, and we must defund Obamacare, because its killing jobs, and its hurting millions of Americans.
Procedural rules are just rules. Rules are made to be broken when necessary. The Constitution is the Law.
Reid will simply add an amendment. Yes. That’s the case with whatever is passed. There is no solution to this that doesn’t go through the Democrat controlled majority in the Senate. However, I think it will be much more easy to win voter approval if the Republicans are shown doing something rather than holding the government hostage. Make the Democrats explain why our dear soldiers and sailors are being held hostage for Obamacare.
No matter what, this will still have to go through majority votes in the House and Senate. Even if Harry Reid today said he’d pass something that delays Obamacare, that bill would still be vulnerable to amendments by the majority after the fact. The same thing goes for whatever is passed by the Senate. That’s going to have to go back to the House for a majority vote.
A lot of us have had the very same idea - - surely it has occurred to conservatives in Congress.
There needn’t be too many individual CRs, as they should come out in a specific order and cover specific parts of the federal govt.
I’d use Article 1 Section 8, and just go down the list.
Not on the list? So sorry, NO funding for it.
Of course, at the rate these Congresscritters get work done, the shutdown will already be in progress as the various area-specific CR's are lobbed over to the Senate.
Unfortunately they WILL NOT do this because it makes way too much sense.
The Senate can’t originate funding of anything; Reid’s attempt to de-de-fund is FUNDing.
But all the Senate can do, legally, is validate (or not) what the House sends over, then forward to the President (or not). If they don’t validate, gov’t gets no funding and shuts down. The Senate is what causes a Shutdown.
The House and the media will allow Reid to de-de-fund because they haven’t read the Constitution.
The House should do exactly what Pat Buchanan suggests. Ted Cruz has advised them to do this also.
DO IT! And let elected official salaries be the very LAST appropriation approved sometime in 6 months!
I think a number of us on FR, for a while now, have been advocating this idea.
They could add that with 90 million Americans out of the work force that Federal Agencies should bite the bullet too and make do with 30% less in their budgets.