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Senator Says Politics Have Reached Civil War Levels
National Journal ^ | September 27, 2013 | Matt Berman

Posted on 09/27/2013 8:35:22 AM PDT by yoe

Sen. Tom Harkin to Congress: "We are at one of the most dangerous points in our history."

As the clock ticks down toward a possible government shutdown, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, isn't holding back.

On the Senate floor before 10 a.m. Friday, the senator gave a speech describing how American politics have reached the level at which "a small group of willful men and women who have a certain ideology"—read: the tea party and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas—have been able to take over the congressional budget debate in the last week. "Since they can't get their way," Harkin said, "they're going to create this confusion and discourse and hope that the public will be so mixed up in who is to blame for this, that they'll blame both sides."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
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To: yoe

In September 17, 2009, Congressman Charlie Rangel introduced H.R. 3590, titled the “Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009” to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 modifying the first-time homebuyers’ credit for members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House and John Boehner was the minority leader when this bill passed on October 8, 2009 by a 416-0 vote. This bill went to the Senate where Majority Leader Harry Reid gutted H.R. 3590, deleted all the contents after the first sentence, and replaced it with what became the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” of November 19, 2009.

Article I, section 7, which states that “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” The key idea is that the Supreme Court recently upheld the individual mandate as a tax. But then it is a bill for raising revenue. That means that the Affordable Care Act must have begun in the House of Representatives. And it did not.” Therefore the senate is in violation of the constitution.


101 posted on 09/27/2013 10:54:09 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: yoe

Yoe, the “comments have been disabled” after the fantastic video you linked of Ted Cruz’ father’s 9 min speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ym4Xt0T6fM

Thank you for posting!


102 posted on 09/27/2013 10:55:12 AM PDT by b9 (II Timothy 1:7)
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To: yoe

The beginning of the Civil War should be marked as the day John Kerry signed the Gun Treaty with the United Nations. If the senate ratifies that treaty the war will start soon after when the Blue helmets show up at the doors of America’s gun owners.


103 posted on 09/27/2013 10:58:56 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: KittenClaws

“Wrong war, senator.”

Yeah, this is the Civil War where the South is right and the North is wrong.


104 posted on 09/27/2013 11:03:33 AM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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To: alphadog

bttt


105 posted on 09/27/2013 11:22:52 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: vette6387

Yeah, this is the Civil War where the South is right and the North is wrong


The South was right the first time because it was not about slavery, but the States Rights to secession.

The war was three years in before Lincoln wrote the emancipation proclamation - and this only to weaken the South by promising freedom to slaves who would join the North.

I’m not saying slavery was right. But that was not the reason for the civil war. There was monetary issues as well. The south was doing quite well in industry, the north, already full of liberals - just couldn’t stand that.


106 posted on 09/27/2013 11:32:30 AM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: yoe

This is silly—no one has been caned on the floor of the Senate or anything yet. :)


107 posted on 09/27/2013 12:00:39 PM PDT by JoeTheGeorgian
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To: KittenClaws
“The South was right the first time because it was not about slavery, but the States Rights to secession.”

True, but the South wanted to secede from the Union over slavery among other things was it not? That said, you are right about the Northern Liberals already starting their termite munching on the country as a whole. You have to wonder just what happened to the people who first came here to escape the "Old World Culture." Did they revert, or was it due to future immigration of the Sh!t from Southern Europe that followed? Mexico and all points south tells you all you need to know about Southern European Migration.

108 posted on 09/27/2013 12:14:00 PM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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To: KittenClaws

Ask him about his fighter pilot experience in Vietnam. Har, har, har!


109 posted on 09/27/2013 12:18:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: yoe

STFU Harkin and resign.


110 posted on 09/27/2013 3:27:10 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: CitizenUSA

They pass laws because they don’t realistically expect people to follow them. Therefore everyone becomes a criminal.


111 posted on 09/27/2013 3:33:58 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: central_va
I am still not comfortable with the color coding of the states.

Color coding of the states? As on maps, or what?

112 posted on 09/27/2013 3:59:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: yoe

BTTT!


113 posted on 09/27/2013 5:25:48 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: yoe

Ted really caught them by surprise. They have NOTHING. And it’s ludicrously obvious.

I know, let’s do some more name-calling!

Who knew that fighting these weasels could be so much fun?


114 posted on 09/27/2013 5:28:46 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: alloysteel

And in red states, suffrage should revert to a more rational definition from such as that used in former times. Something such as, only property owners, or taxpayers may vote. If a state chooses to allow some small amount of “safety net”, anyone who accepts state charity immediately loses the right to vote. To regain full voting citizenship they must 1)stop accepting charity, 2)pay back all they accepted plus interest, and then 3) wait for X number of years from the time they cease accepting state charity benefits and have paid everything back. Maybe 10 years, or 15 after both conditions are met? It needs to be quite a long time so that the political price is VERY high for accepting charity from the state.

Hopefully if all this happens, we learn our lesson and leave charity to private groups, but if not, it must be decoupled from the ability to “buy” votes for a party by taking money by force from one group and giving it as a bribe to another group to vote that political party into office.


115 posted on 09/27/2013 6:17:53 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: CitizenUSA

Bing, bing, bing: We have a winner!

Nice post, succinct and we’ll said.


116 posted on 09/27/2013 9:06:11 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: justa-hairyape
There is no Presidential Emergency Alert System
117 posted on 09/28/2013 7:01:34 AM PDT by yoe ( Defund Obamacare now — or risk voter backlash in 2014)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I believe the clown was Kerrey, (the other kerry


118 posted on 09/28/2013 7:23:04 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: yoe

It’s time to admit it, we live under the soft tyranny that was warned about in years past. We are slaves of the state. It must change very soon.


119 posted on 09/28/2013 11:46:07 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Windflier
I've some of those 'ornery' genes my own self :-)

I'd like to also add in the Serb side in me too, we fought the Mooselimbs in Eastern Europe.

Sad to say some of my Russian ancestors helped bring the commies to power ut had I been around then, I'm sure we'd have a civil war within the family too. Well, it's like the old saying, "brother against brother" and so on.
120 posted on 09/28/2013 10:30:16 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Wayne Green - W2NSD - Silent Key - Rest In Peace)
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