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1 posted on 09/28/2013 1:37:44 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; Alamo-Girl; bd476; ...

Constitutionally defund it ping!


2 posted on 09/28/2013 1:47:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: neverdem

I don’t think Cruz and Lee took Republican leaders seriously. I think they knew all about them and what they would do.


3 posted on 09/28/2013 1:53:09 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: neverdem

They should selectively fund the government — cutting funds from the most eggregiously liberal programs.


4 posted on 09/28/2013 1:53:52 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: neverdem

Great article!


5 posted on 09/28/2013 1:58:19 PM PDT by Warriormom
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To: neverdem

I sent the speaker this today via his email

In September 17, 2009, Congressman Charlie Rangel introduced H.R. 3590, titled the “Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009” to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 modifying the first-time homebuyers’ credit for members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House and John Boehner was the minority leader when this bill passed on October 8, 2009 by a 416-0 vote. This bill went to the Senate where Majority Leader Harry Reid gutted H.R. 3590, deleted all the contents after the first sentence, and replaced it with what became the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” of November 19, 2009.

Article I, Section 7, which states that “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” The key idea is that the Supreme Court recently upheld the individual mandate as a tax; so it is a bill for raising revenue. That means that the Affordable Care Act must have begun in the House of Representatives. And it did not.” Therefore the Senate is in violation of the Constitution by funding something the house cut.

Ignore Reid tell him to read Article I, Section 7 and the SCOTUS decision [see above] and send the bill to the president and tell him as a constitutional scholar he has to sign or veto. Call his “redline bluff” because you’re just following the oath everybody took.


6 posted on 09/28/2013 2:03:05 PM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: neverdem; Jim Robinson
Constitutionally defund it!

Amen to that!

Another great article by someone who knows how the government is "supposed" to be funded.

7 posted on 09/28/2013 2:03:20 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: neverdem

Thank you Andrew for taking alot of posters here on FR to school.DEFUND IT AND KILL IT. Stop the stupid political games.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 2:06:06 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: neverdem

This sounds like it should be a good argument before the United States Supreme Court!


9 posted on 09/28/2013 2:09:28 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: neverdem

We need to defund or get rid of it; not delay it.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 2:15:21 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: neverdem

Congress should defund any and every program in the federal government. Who says that we should still have to slave under some ridiculous scheme conceived by a bunch of shysters that are all dead and buried? This practice that once a program is enacted its a permanent responsibility of future generations is absolutely despotic. In fact we should amend the Constitution so that every program should have to be reenacted every two years similar to Article I, Section 8, Clause 12.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 2:15:42 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: neverdem

Our framers came fairly close to grafting the British Parliamentary model onto the Constitution, in which the House of Commons alone determined spending.

To provide better protection from wild spending, concurrence of the senate and president were added.

Oh well.


13 posted on 09/28/2013 2:17:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions.)
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To: neverdem
The Constitution expressly provides (in Article I, Section 7): “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.”

And yet ObamaCare originated in the Senate.

17 posted on 09/28/2013 2:27:41 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: neverdem
The Constitution expressly provides (in Article I, Section 7): “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” This Origination Clause applies to all spending legislation. As the clause elaborates, when the subject at issue involves spending public money, the Senate “may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills”; but it may not instigate spending. The Senate can tinker within the spending limits set by the House, but it must live within those limits. The continuing resolution to fund the government, which is the legislation at issue in the current controversy, is no exception. The Senate is not permitted to originate spending, as Majority Leader Harry Reid did on Friday, with the indulgence of Senate Republicans — who voted against his appropriation of Obamacare funds but did not challenge the validity of it.

The bold point (which is central to this part of the author's point) is a strained reading of Article I. The Constitution says (as the author quotes) that all "bills for raising revenue" must originate in the House, and that the Senate may concur or propose amendments. Nowhere does the Constitution say that the Senate's amendments cannot include additional appropriations - all the Constitution says is that the bill itself must originate in the House.

18 posted on 09/28/2013 2:28:52 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: neverdem

If the House wanted to it could fund it down to the specific toothbrush level. Iow They can fund what they want and not fund what they don’t want. Sadly the “What they want” has been the problem over the last few decades. Time to say ,”Goodbye” to the free spenders and anti-constitutionals.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 2:34:45 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: neverdem
Senator Cruz, along with Senator Mike Lee and House conservatives, devised a strategy to forestall the unpopular socialized-medicine scheme that Democrats unilaterally rammed through Congress in 2010. They would starve it of funds, not unlike the way Democrats and Republicans have slashed funds for fence construction along the Mexican border, even though the fence has been the law of the land for seven years.

A brilliant parallel, and WHY hasn't this been brought up before??!!?

23 posted on 09/28/2013 2:42:06 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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The American people do not want Obamacare, and the representatives closest to them have voted not to spend the people’s money on it. According to the Constitution, that should be the end of the matter.

Perfect and is what Boehner should tell the Senate and the Marxist.

25 posted on 09/28/2013 2:52:30 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: neverdem
Terrific article!

Starve the beast of funds and shut it down...

51 posted on 09/28/2013 5:35:06 PM PDT by Gritty (We are quickly running out of "boxes"...)
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To: neverdem

Great article. Now, give the literal reading of the Constitution, why can’t, or should I say why Won’t a senator raise a constitutional point of order every time Reido tries to do his thing? If I am not mistaken, it would take 60 votes to overturn the point of order.


52 posted on 09/28/2013 7:20:32 PM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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To: neverdem
As Madison elaborated, the purpose of the Origination Clause is to put the “power of the purse” firmly in the hands of “the immediate representatives of the people.” Government has no resources of its own; it has only what it confiscates from the citizenry. In a free republic, liberty hinges on the ability of citizens to constrain the demands government can make. The Framers prudently concluded that the best means of constraint was to give the definitive word on taxing and spending to the House: The only legislators directly elected by the people at the time the Constitution was adopted (senators were chosen by their state legislatures until 1913); and, to this day, the only representatives who must face the voters every two years.

There you go folks. Send this article to your Sentors for mandatory reading.

Thanks Andy, for staying on top of this.

Thanks neverdem, for posting.

54 posted on 09/28/2013 7:33:32 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: neverdem

The American people do not want Obamacare, and the representatives closest to them have voted not to spend the people’s money on it. According to the Constitution, that should be the end of the matter.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SCOTUS may yet rule on the matter.


59 posted on 09/30/2013 2:58:04 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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