(and no Palomino therapy......../snicker)
Posted on 09/28/2013 10:04:41 PM PDT by 11th_VA
They wont do anything GOOD as long as we agree to exempt them from the laws they force us to live under.
Rewarding them for their duplicity clearly hasnt worked(for us). Lets try something new.
I read the other day that in some states, the public-exchange “Bronze Plan”, the low-tiered ObamaCare health plan, has premiums as low as $120/month for an individual, but the deductible is $6,000. LOL, if you’re making only $20,000/year under that plan, you are screwed if you need to spend a few days in hospital and fork out $6K before your insurance kicks in.
Obama and his minions way oversold ObamaCare, and once people finally see the small print, they’ll go apoplectic!
The CR only funds a few weeks.
Then it expires and another go roundon it plus the debt limit fight .
Win this fight first, make Reid have to get Senate do something or defend this bribe to them.
Then go into next fight a winner.
I personally find congress bribing themselves to screw us offensive. Why don't you?
I said I do but it’s nothing compared to the monstrosity of Obamacare as a whole. Therefore it wouldn’t be worth funding the rest of the law just to change that. I want to stick with defunding the entire thing, or at the very least delaying the entire thing at least a year. Like others have said, we’re in a good position because of all the crap people have started getting about their health care plans changing. We could put the heat on Obama and I think the public sentiment could be strong enough that he might cave into a delay of the law, and just give a speech about how he’s giving all his beloved peons more time to adjust to the changes.
I don’t think it’s worth delaying the bigger fight a few weeks or months now that we have the momentum going for us right now and the timing seems good. Who knows if Obama starts a war in Syria or something before the next fight would come up to make it harder for us to get media attention or make us look bad for ‘distracting’ from something more important at that time?
A shutdown only bribes congress with that Obama care handout that we cant get, to screw us. They are all protected in a shutdown. Lets take that away from them
GOP needs to take the high ground on this low hanging fruit and beat Dems now before the other battles. It will only make it easier.
The complete Defund battle was lost in the Senate.
The House sent the ball there and they dropped it.
If they had won I would have been joyous but they let us down with only those 19 votes
Now we need to wake up from the fantasy and try to beat back libs at this for a change.
I don’t understand. The Senate either defeats the next thing we send them the same way they did the defund effort, or they pass the next thing we send them. And passing an Obamacare bill that changes nothing but the subsidy for Congress and implements the rest of it is a crushing defeat for the American people. Then you have the hopes we can jin up another effort in a couple months to THEN do something substantial? If we can do it then, then let’s do it now instead of potentially having the climate change in a way that makes it harder to do then. You also give Obama and his allies in the media a couple months longer to run all kinds of pro-Obamacare ads and media to sway the public if you wait.
That OK, let me try again.
You force get Senate Dems to take away the special bribe both parties in congress get in Obama-care.
Then in October and November when the next two fights takes place their bribes to support Obama care are gone.
Mean while you raised Americas attention that Obama put those special O-care bribes in for congress, and with any luck Reid opposes it.
I see a ray on sunshine here that we can wipe those smirks off of Obama and Reids faces.
BOOM, fight to win! That's I am looking for.
You can raise the attention right now by removing those bribes, IN ADDITION to something more substantive like a one-year delay. How does waiting help? If we can successfully delay or defund the law in a showdown later, why not do it now? Why wait? If we can’t be successful with that, simply winning at taking away the bribe is a useless victory that does nothing to save Americans from becoming subject to Obamacare.
Cruz answered that question in Senate after all those paid ads and interviews on FNC.
It only rounded up 19 Senators out of 100.
Now its time to STOP LOSING and beat Obama!
Look, when Pelosi took just the House in 2007 she didnt immediately shutdown the government to stop war in Iraq and pass single payer healthcare.
As dumb as she seems she wasn't that f...ing stupid. She played it smartly because she wanted to win and she did
She fought to win and in the end she got Obamacare.
Stop fighting to lose
“Should that happen, the House will send another bill back. The leadership is mulling several options. At the top of the list is a revised CR that includes the Vitter amendment, authored by Senator David Vitter (R., La.), which would eliminate Obamacare subsidies for congressional staffers and members.”
This is a loser. Dems will agree and Obamacare would proceed—then they will figure out a workaround. Maybe if Congress, in addition, cut all federal employees off FEHP and put them on unsubsidized Obamacare just like the rest of us, that would have an effect.
“I don’t understand. The Senate either defeats the next thing we send them the same way they did the defund effort, or they pass the next thing we send them. And passing an Obamacare bill that changes nothing but the subsidy for Congress and implements the rest of it is a crushing defeat for the American people.”
This
Also, by making this public, we have signaled surrender to THE issue; saving our nation from the cruelties of Obamacare.
I'll predict that only Democrats who face a close election will vote in favor of postponement.
Every other Democrat who expects to be reelected will be vehemently “against” delay.
Why?
From now until election, they will issue a new, tragic photograph or story every day about some American who could not afford medical care because the evil Republicans postponed ObamaCare.
Bill Clinton will make a new nationally televised “Mend it, don't end it” speech.
The average American voter trying to obtain insurance will experience NONE of the chaos or complexity or huge price increases of ObamaCare until 2015.
And, most important, the average Republican will wonder why he keeps giving money to and voting for people who accomplish absolutely nothing.
The Democrats and the MSM will beat us into a bloody political pulp over the next 13 months, because we have no leadership, no principles, and no goals.
We will have no hope of regaining the Senate, and we will be lucky to hold onto the House.
If the Republican Party lacks the votes or the courage to defund ObamaCare, or fails to stop Amnesty in 2013, I predict it will collapse as a political force before the 2016 presidential election.
Ted Cruz brought this Congressional exemption to light this week. More people know about it now, and they’re watching. That is a good thing!
Which is not to say what you posted is wrong. But the number of people aware of the Congressional exemption is much higher now (based just upon my own small-sample-size experience), and whether it’s enough or not, well we’ll see in the next few weeks as the sheeple either get their open-enrollment packets or try accessing the non-existent public exchanges.
Some major SHTF is about to fall, one way or the other, in the next few weeks.
totally agree
Get ALL fed employees of the health insurance bribe from 0brib-0
When harry has to swallow that, he'll strip it out again - this time with media coverage [thanks Senator Cruz]. Then come back with vitter amendment.
All while open enrollment is taking place around this great Country. All while 0bamacare's exchanges are telling people - "sure, $120 per month... oh and $6200 deductible"....
Then in a few weeks the CR battle again. During which time we do the repeal again, then the defund, then apply to all fed employees, ... rinse and repeat.
Then hold firm on debt ceiling.
God bless you Ted Cruz.
(and no Palomino therapy......../snicker)
That’s a disastrous deal for us, since the whole Congressional exemption thing is a trifle compared to the full impact of Obamacare.
That is true Jedi, but we can't stop obamacare with an attachment to a CR so this is the next best thing.
By this time next year, right before the 2014 midterms, most of the Country will be screaming for it's elimination, the free riders will love it.
Same here. I've seen different takes on it and tend to believe the ones that say it's a fancy, nuanced cave. If the Repubs would spend as much time conspiring against the Left, as they do against the People, we might make some headway.
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