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HOW TO CO OPT THE GOP AND SAVE THE USA (vanity but true)
October 3, 2013 | noprogs

Posted on 10/03/2013 11:51:06 AM PDT by noprogs

Do you know how to spell frustration with three letters? It's done G-O-P.

It's peanut harvest time now in South Georgia, and due to equipment failure today I'm not on the tractor, so I'm outstanding in my field. Beck was on the radio today with his "defund the GOP" campaign going full blast and I guess he will stay on that position until he sells all the tee shirts he has printed. Tried to call all morning with a better strategy whenever I didn't have a wrench in my hand, but like the GOP establishment,they have no time to listen since they have a show to put on. Same results with Wilkow. So here I am, and decided to try it this way after answering a post on a parallel subject.

The problem with the GOP are the Reagan Democrats, aka neocons, who have risen to power and are now the establishment. HALF OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE GOP IS IT IS CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS! They changed their label, but did not change the contents of the package. This is why the GOP continues to drift left in search of the elusive moderate, the evasive middle. This is why Pat Buchannan in ridiculed hardest by his own party, why Ted Cruz is such an anomaly, and why when I talk to a non voter they tell me "Why bother voting? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the parties.". You and I may know better, but looking at the steady growth of government in size, expense, intrusiveness and inanity regardless of which party is in charge, I can see their point.

The answer is not a third party, regardless of the figurehead, name or ideals. The deck is too stacked at the level where elections are controlled, which is the States. Furthermore, look at the mess in the Virginia gubernatorial race. Now I regularly read my Rothbard, but the Libertarian Party of Virginia has been duped into nominating Sarvis who is proposing a carbon credit program for the state. No true Libertarian is going to propose a new government program! Virginia Libertarians, everyone who shares your bong is NOT your friend and you have been rendered a worse joke by enviro whacko socialist infiltrators. While Cuccinelli is no small government champion, get used to saying "Governor McCauliff". Gee....thanks!

Then we have the folk, many on Free Republic who say "So and so did this. I'm done with the GOP.", or "Rove said or did that! I'm leaving the GOP.". You are a bunch of chicken (manure), whiney assed, quitter babies. I'm glad your sissy selves were not at the Battle of Kings Mountain! You have let a bunch of Michael Medved Democrats run you out of the GOP. YOU ARE THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROBLEM IN THE GOP! Gee.....thank you too!

Here is the solution. Be warned, it will require people with thick skin, a modicum of diplomacy, work and patience. People who choose to join this effort can expect ridicule, embarrassment, rejection and failure, but must be willing to persevere. THE GOP IS A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION. That is the key. Join your county or city party NOW. Attend all the meetings. Make new friends and repair old wounds. Volunteer for work. Practice your Dale Carnegie. Be sure to attend your mass meetings where the delegates to the district and state conventions are elected, and work to elect delegates who believe in small government. Be sure your county fills all it's slots at the conventions and do what you can to introduce good resolutions and elect good state and district officers.

This strategy works. The 8th Congressional District of Georgia has been turned around with true conservatives in all offices. Some headway has been made at the state level, and we intend to finish the job at the next election of officers. Moderate RINO officers of the GA GOP, you better have your big boy pants on. What happened in 2012 WILL NOT BE REPEATED. Our next slate of National delegates will have grit, not be (mushy) grits.

If enough people join this way and follow this plan, we can turn the GOP into a true second party in a two party system, and thus offer a clear alternative to the electorate. There are more non voters than members of either party or the mushy middle independents. Given a clear alternative, a true small government party will attract most of those votes. The key is offering a difference through a different GOP that has been co opted from within.


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1 posted on 10/03/2013 11:51:06 AM PDT by noprogs
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To: noprogs
For a peanut farmer, you make a lot of sense within this vanity!

p.s. don your flame suit.

2 posted on 10/03/2013 11:55:48 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: noprogs

Another blog pimp?


3 posted on 10/03/2013 12:47:05 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: noprogs
The problem with the GOP are the Reagan Democrats, aka neocons, who have risen to power and are now the establishment.

That isn't what happened, the repulsive GOP leadership was already the Rockefeller republicans, the Nixons, Fords, HW Bush, Dole types, the still and current leadership we call rinos.

Reagan managed to win the nomination on his third presidential run, in spite of them, and rallied conservatives and the religious right in an effort to take over the GOP from the rinos, we are still fighting that battle.

4 posted on 10/03/2013 12:49:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: noprogs
You are a bunch of chicken (manure), whiney assed, quitter babies...share your bong...your sissy selves...

"Ridicule & embarrassment"; great sales technique.

Perhaps a "modicum of diplomacy" might be the way to go.
(I read that somewhere)

5 posted on 10/03/2013 12:50:59 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

Good flames there, laotzu.

Accurate assessments are sometimes embarrassingly ridiculous. I was using diplomacy to write that, holding back literal definitions.


6 posted on 10/03/2013 1:41:40 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: ansel12

The people in charge when Reagan was nominated 33 years ago are......dead.

When did you last attend your county GOP meeting?


7 posted on 10/03/2013 2:01:04 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: publius911

Yep. Go to my blog. See if you can find the address in the body of the thread.


8 posted on 10/03/2013 2:02:26 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs
No flames intended, or used.

What are you on about?

9 posted on 10/03/2013 2:05:07 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: noprogs
The people in charge when Reagan was nominated 33 years ago are......dead.

Good lord man do you think that when we talk about the Rockefeller/Romney wing of the GOP, the rino leadership of the GOP, the Karl Rove and Bob Dole, HW Bush wing of the GOP, we mean it has to be the same exact names that were in place in 1979, or 1969, or 1959, or 1989?

The rinos and the libertarian social agenda types are still there, it is still a fight between the conservative Reagan wing of the GOP and the rino Rockefeller wing, or to update it for you, the conservatives versus the Romney/Rove wing of the GOP.

10 posted on 10/03/2013 2:16:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: noprogs

bfl


11 posted on 10/03/2013 2:22:32 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: laotzu; ansel12

I’m just trying to change the GOP the only way it can be changed, and the way Reagan was nominated which was and is from the grass roots.

Are you active in your local GOP chapter? Is your local GOP chapter active? If the answer to either of those questions is no, when you look in the mirror you’ll see where the current problem of RINOism begins in the GOP. Absence from the process implies agreement with the results.

If sitting around on FR griping could fix the GOP, it would already be fixed.


12 posted on 10/03/2013 2:36:09 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs

You are right about getting involved locally. Even state wide is ok. But my money goes to conservative candidates, not to national Republican groups. I learned my lesson with Charlie Crist.

Never again.

Good luck with the peanuts before the rain comes.


13 posted on 10/03/2013 2:59:21 PM PDT by jch10 (The greatest threat to America is the Democrats.)
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To: noprogs
THE GOP IS A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION.

Only if you think lip service is reality.

14 posted on 10/03/2013 3:02:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tell me again why "shutting down all non-essential government services" is a bad thing?)
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To: noprogs

I’m not a republican, have never been a republican, and freerepublic is not a republican site.


15 posted on 10/03/2013 3:06:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: jch10

Appreciate your thoughts. I don’t give to the RNC either. To change the party requires working from the local level to the district level to the state level to the national party level.

Crist should have never been nominated for anything, and the Florida GOP being filled with doddering, senile Yankee RINOS allowed it to happen because of LACK OF INVOLVEMENT IN THE PARTY BY TRUE CONSERVATIVES OF WHICH FLORIDA HAS PLENTY! Sorry for yelling.

Hope all is well with you and yours.


16 posted on 10/03/2013 4:32:49 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: ansel12

Then....pray tell me why you are commenting on a thread about the GOP.

On second thought, don’t bother because all you want to do is gripe and talk about people instead of offering any viable solutions.


17 posted on 10/03/2013 4:36:03 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: ansel12

>> I’m not a republican, have never been a republican

No surprise there.


18 posted on 10/03/2013 4:39:45 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Thank you, but why did you cut off the words “”and freerepublic is not a republican site.””?


19 posted on 10/03/2013 4:48:16 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: EternalVigilance

It is a grassroots organization. How do you think the RINOs took over?

The current crop of RINO neocons rode in with the Moral Majority as Reagan Democrats. Oh it was a joyous time and the tent was big. In my county’s chapter, there once were 20 people identifying with the MM. Now, there is one left. Let that sink in. ONE! About all of the allegedly former Democrats stayed while the Old Guard fell to their mortality. The neocons think they can outlast the TEA Partiers and the Liberty Caucus people who are now controlling most of the counties and the district, just like the MM who were “too pure” or more likely too lazy to continue.

So, are you going to try to help?


20 posted on 10/03/2013 4:48:51 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: ansel12

Why do you accuse FReepers of being the depraved things they’re not?


21 posted on 10/03/2013 4:52:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: noprogs

Freerepublic is not a republican site, and I and any other freeper will post on any thread that we bloody well choose to.

Perhaps you should appeal to management to move your thread to religion, and allow you to form a rino/GOP religious caucus, then only members of your party could post on it.


22 posted on 10/03/2013 4:53:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Gene Eric

That is two meaningless, non-thread related personal attacks.

Are you stalking me? Dragging baggage from thread to thread?

It appears you are, you need to focus on the thread itself and the topic.


23 posted on 10/03/2013 4:56:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

Over the last few days you have tried to classify me as something. It varies day by day. Today I’m a RINO because I propose a way to fix the GOP. Yesterday I was an OK because of agreeing with you that openly practicing homosexuals are bad for the military. The day before I was all “slippery” because I used Christian principles to make a point. On Monday I was an immoral libertarian pushing abortion, open borders, homosexual marriage, bestiality, etc. because I don’t believe social conservative values can be instilled through governmental force while maintaining our rights.

Tomorrow, what I will be according to you? Do you have any plans?

I really don’t care, because tomorrow you’ll still be nuttier than a trainload of squirrel manure.


24 posted on 10/03/2013 5:14:06 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs
The current crop of RINO neocons rode in with the Moral Majority as Reagan Democrats.

You are wrong, the social conservatives are what moved the GOP right under Reagan and who the rinos fight still today.

The rinos have always owned the republican party, that is why it was so repulsive. Reagan was a conservative and brought in the conservatives, defeating HW Bush in 1979, unfortunately, the rinos have remained in control.

Rinos despise social conservatives, the Reagan republicans and desperately want to rid the party of them.

25 posted on 10/03/2013 5:15:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: noprogs

You really need to stop personalizing your posting here and carrying baggage and personal grudges around the forum.

Try to focus on the thread topic, politics.


26 posted on 10/03/2013 5:17:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

You don’t know. You have never been a Republican. Remember?

You’re still a nut, though


27 posted on 10/03/2013 5:18:47 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: ansel12

How am I off-thread? Did I make a mistake in saying you disparage other FReepers. I’m sorry.

So are you a Democrat or an Independent?


28 posted on 10/03/2013 5:19:46 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ansel12

Spend much time projecting your faults onto others?


29 posted on 10/03/2013 5:21:37 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs

You sound like a very young guy that a lot of this is new to.

Many of us here know quite a lot about the republican party, the democrat party, the libertarian party and American political history, it is one reason we are long time members of freerepublic.


30 posted on 10/03/2013 5:22:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: Gene Eric

Freerepublic is an independent, conservative site, I am an Independent Conservative.


31 posted on 10/03/2013 5:23:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

>> I am an Independent Conservative.

Interesting. Is that something like a libertarian conservative?


32 posted on 10/03/2013 5:30:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: noprogs
How do you think the RINOs took over?

Money, money, money, and "conservatives" compromising what should never be compromised. I know. I watched it happen up close and personal.

So, are you going to try to help?

Why would I want to help an organization that even you admit has been taken over by "RINO"s?

You're fooling yourself if you think you can take it back. Their control has deepened, not loosened. Have you paid no attention to what happened last year in Tampa, or what has happened since? Shoot, they're even embedding RNC minders in the state parties now.

Don't worry though. They'll be more than happy to let you take lower level positions, or to tinker around with the platform they ignore. They do need useful idiots and cannon fodder.

Just don't try to get uppity though. They'll crush you like a bug.

33 posted on 10/03/2013 5:34:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tell me again why "shutting down all non-essential government services" is a bad thing?)
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To: Gene Eric

Geez, what a trivial series of silly posts to me.


34 posted on 10/03/2013 5:39:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for the advice. Sounds like they pretty well buffaloed you out. Sorry you feel that way.

Yeah, I watched Tampa. Columbus, GA was bad enough. Columbus won’t be repeated, and if enough states can get their stuff straight Tampa won’t be repeated either.

I wish you could help.


35 posted on 10/03/2013 5:41:45 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs

>> You are a bunch of chicken (manure), whiney assed, quitter babies

I understand the thrust of your point, but alienating the principled conservatives isn’t going help.

I agree the Republican Party should be salvaged and the RINOs punted through elections/attrition. And I believe this can happen at the grass roots but it requires active participation from the regular folks not normally inclined to get involved. It also requires involvement from the so-called “quitter babies”.

Before getting too frustrated with those that fully reject the GOP, understand their frustration with the decades of deceit the GOP has inflicted on the constituents.

Currently, there are 18 GOP seats in the House that may deservedly go Democrat.


36 posted on 10/03/2013 5:44:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ansel12

I don’t mean to be silly. You seem like an upstanding FReeper. Is an Independent Conservative anything like a libertarian conservative?


37 posted on 10/03/2013 5:45:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric; ansel12

And the reason I asked is because most pundits and political experts tend to lump the independents and libertarians together. I think it’s interesting you’re qualifying your Independent affiliation with conservatism; a distinction from the Independent Liberal.


38 posted on 10/03/2013 5:53:24 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: noprogs

“Buffaloed me out”? No, they lied, cheated, sabotaged, slandered, didn’t count our votes, fought our conservative candidates every step of the way.

At some point you wake up to the fact you’re not wanted.

Ever hear of Einstein’s definition of insanity?


39 posted on 10/03/2013 5:53:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tell me again why "shutting down all non-essential government services" is a bad thing?)
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To: noprogs

By the way, I tried it your way for more than twenty years. I was a state GOP official at one point, having started out as a precinct chairman. I’ve worked on campaigns at every level, in most parts of the country. I’ve helped rebuild GOP organizations from the local and county level up in several states.

What is your experience that can help lend credence to your chosen direction?


40 posted on 10/03/2013 5:59:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tell me again why "shutting down all non-essential government services" is a bad thing?)
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To: noprogs

The whole country has gone looey and our political mess is only a mirror of it.

People are so short sighted today... even those who would be in a position to know better.


41 posted on 10/03/2013 6:00:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: noprogs

If there is problems with grassroots...

well one way to fix it is to sow better grass.

Tea party minded politicians can’t get a lot of impetus without tea party minded citizens.


42 posted on 10/03/2013 6:01:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: EternalVigilance

To say it’s a fruitless cause is bogus. There are many good folks in Congress today because of conservative activism. It’s a forward trend.


43 posted on 10/03/2013 6:03:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

The principled conservatives appear to be alienated already. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but the intent was a good shaming.

I’m 50 years old and have experienced a lot of disappointment from the GOP, peaking in 1992 and 1996 when I voted Libertarian, and thought about it again in 2012 after Tampa and what happened at the Georgia state convention that year. When I was 15, I was 100 yards from my house and Lamar Alexander lied to my face while I was wearing a Boy Scout uniform. Believe me, I understand the frustration, I understand the alienation.

A third party is a pipe dream. The Democrat party is beyond salvageable. The people in charge of today’s GOP used to be Democrats, at least in the South. I say they should experience ejection from a second party’s power structure. A true alternative, a Conservative party is the only hope, and making one out of the GOP is the only way.

So are you in or out?


44 posted on 10/03/2013 6:09:27 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: EternalVigilance

Though the list isn’t comprehensive, please read my post in #44. Thanks


45 posted on 10/03/2013 6:11:25 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: EternalVigilance

By Einstein’s definition of insanity, Edison should have been put in a straight jacket.

He just kept working on the same concept from slightly different approaches until he had an electric light bulb.

Us Engineers say, “The price of progress is trouble.”


46 posted on 10/03/2013 6:18:01 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: noprogs

>> So are you in or out?

As I stated earlier, I believe salvaging the Republican Party is the best way forward. Given the GOP is synonymous with the Establishment, I’ll stick with the term ‘Republican Party’, and advance the cause of electing Tea Party conservatives.


47 posted on 10/03/2013 6:21:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

Pundits don’t do that, an independent is merely non-affiliated to a party, he can be liberal, moderate, conservative, anything, he can lean toward the democrat party or the republican party, and most do vote with one of those two parties.

Independent merely mean what it says, it doesn’t give any indication of political persuasion, in my case I am a conservative, too conservative to be a libertarian or republican.

Someone calling themselves a “libertarian conservative” is confused, if they are conservative on economics and social issues and national defense, then they are simply conservative, if they like conservative economics but are socially liberal, then they are too anti-conservative to be using the word, they fall into the category of just “libertarian” or “rino” in many cases.

A lot of us independents that would normally vote republican, just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-Romney/Obamacare, Reagan hating, non-patriotic, weirdo, Mitt Romney for instance.


48 posted on 10/03/2013 6:25:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree with both of your posts.

But

How can anyone be won over to small government, personal freedom and personal responsibility if nobody ever talks about it outside of FR? How can people with those values ever be elected if they have no party?

Look at Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Louis Ghomert. They were outspent multiple times over by their primary opponents who also had the backing of the RNC. Yet, there they are. Conservatism wins. More conservatives could win if they didn’t have to fight the GOP first.

We could use your help. Start local.


49 posted on 10/03/2013 6:27:29 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: Gene Eric

That’s what I’m doing too. That’s all I ask, work within the party to get the most conservative candidate through the primary.

Thanks.


50 posted on 10/03/2013 6:32:04 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture)
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