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Teacher Makes Students Decide Who Lives, Who Dies
Fox News ^ | October 10, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:15:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A classroom of 14 and 15-year-old Illinois high school students was assigned the task of deciding the fate of ten fictional characters in an exercise that critics called a lesson in death panels.

The assignment was part of a sociology unit for freshmen and sophomore students at St. Joseph-Ogden High School in St. Joseph, just east of Champaign. The story was first reported by Champion News.

The lesson involves 10 people who are in desperate need of kidney dialysis.

“Unless they receive this procedure, they will die,” the lesson states.

But there’s a problem. The local hospital only has enough machines to support six patients.

“That means four people are not going to live,” the assignment states. “You must decide from the information below which six will survive.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; deathpanel; deathpanels; democrat; democrats; healthcare; homeschoolingisgood; illinois; obamacare; publicschool; publicschools; teachersunion; thirdwave
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She was right, again.
1 posted on 10/10/2013 9:15:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These used to be called “Values clarification exercises” They have been around a long time in various forms.

15 people in a life boat and only enough food for 10 who gets pushed out?

The Earth is uninhabitable because of some natural disaster and you have a rocket that will take 25 of 60 people to a new planet, who gets to go and who dies?

Same old same old.

I did the last one as an undergraduate in a Sociology class and my group decided that nobody would go because we, as a group refused to put a hierarchical value on people’s lives. This upset the instructor somewhat. I guess he didn’t like how clear our values were.


2 posted on 10/10/2013 9:24:25 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sounds like a brilliant assignment.
3 posted on 10/10/2013 9:24:50 PM PDT by stevem
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The lesson involves 10 people who are in desperate need of kidney dialysis.

This teacher does realize that you only need to be hooked up to a dialysis machine every couple of days for a few hours? There is no need for anyone to die.

(I love doing this to teachers who don't know of what they babble)

But ignoring the absurdity of the scenario let us go on.

The local hospital only has enough machines to support six patients.

So why are you not getting on the horn to other hospitals trying to find space for them there?

Oh, that's right Obamacare shut down all the other hospitals.

4 posted on 10/10/2013 9:26:21 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here you go. Pick ten:


5 posted on 10/10/2013 9:28:04 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The teacher should have been listed as one of the patients. Maybe the oldest and sickest?


6 posted on 10/10/2013 9:28:12 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Prepping for a new college class: Death Panels 101
7 posted on 10/10/2013 9:29:17 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But there’s a problem. The local hospital only has enough machines to support six patients. “That means four people are not going to live,” the assignment states.

Right. How about locating four more machines? Or donating a kidney. False predicament. Seems more like conditioning for accepting a bureaucratic status quo (quota).

8 posted on 10/10/2013 9:30:05 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember a lesson plan like this in high school 30 years ago. This is nothing new.


9 posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:01 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

US schools have become just stupid factories. Clearing houses for socialist pap. If they have enough time to process this garbage they have enough to solve an equation or design a truss.


10 posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:11 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember when I came home one day from high school and told my mother that I wanted to join a club that was going to stop drug abuse. I explained to her that as part of joining the club that we were given the premise that so many people were on a lifeboat after a ship had gone down and we had begun to starve. The exercise asked us to determine which person on the lifeboat would be forced to die so that the others could live, since there was limited resources. Persons on the lifeboat included a newborn baby to a priest. When I told my mother about the exercise, she was LIVID! I couldn’t understand her reaction, but now I know that situational ethics is not a good policy to follow... no matter what the situation.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:18 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember when I came home one day from high school and told my mother that I wanted to join a club that was going to stop drug abuse. I explained to her that as part of joining the club that we were given the premise that so many people were on a lifeboat after a ship had gone down and we had begun to starve. The exercise asked us to determine which person on the lifeboat would be forced to die so that the others could live, since there was limited resources. Persons on the lifeboat included a newborn baby to a priest. When I told my mother about the exercise, she was LIVID! I couldn’t understand her reaction, but now I know that situational ethics is not a good policy to follow... no matter what the situation.


12 posted on 10/10/2013 9:31:18 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Slyfox

The only one I’d save in that picture is George Washington.


13 posted on 10/10/2013 9:32:47 PM PDT by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

They have also hooked people up to Chimps instead of a dialysis is machine. I remember reading about that in the Fort Worth Star telegram years ago. It was an emergency procedure because of some malfunction or something but it did evidently keep the person alive long enough to fix the machine.

If this is an Urban Legend then forgive me. I read it in the paper so that probably means it isn’t true


14 posted on 10/10/2013 9:33:49 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Exit148
The teacher should have been listed as one of the patients. Maybe the oldest and sickest?

Lol. Or maybe just the meanest.

15 posted on 10/10/2013 9:34:30 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So now even the critics are acknowledging that death panels exist...


16 posted on 10/10/2013 9:35:22 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Reddy

Good morning, class
Good morning, Mrs. Aryan
Today we’re going to play a game
Yeah

This game is called lifeboat, all together
Lifeboat
Good, lifeboat is a lesson in values clarification
Can you say values clarification?
No

Values clarification is where your little minds decide
Which lives are worth living and which lives are worth, not living
Now here’s how we play

A big ship just sank
There are five people on the lifeboat
But the lifeboat is only made for two

I’ll list the five people on the chalkboard
And you, class, will decide
Which three will be thrown overboard, are we ready?
Yes, Mrs. Aryan

Good, first, there’s an old, old crippled grandfather
Second, there’s a mentally handicapped person in a wheelchair
What’s mentally handicapped?
It means they can never be a productive members of society

Third, there’s an overweight woman on welfare
With a sniffling, whimpering baby
Is the baby on welfare, too?

Let’s not push Mrs. Aryan
Who else is in the boat?
A young, white doctor with blue eyes and perfect teeth and Joan Collins
Now, class, take five minutes to make your decision
Times up, well, class

Throw over grandpa ‘cause he’s getting pretty old
Throw out the baby or we’ll all be catching it’s cold
Throw over fatty and we’ll see if she can float
Throw out the retard and they won’t be rockin’ the boat

Very good, that was fun, wasn’t it?
Yes, Mrs. Aryan
For our next lesson, we’re going to do an experiment
Yeah

We’re going to test the law of gravity, just like Galileo
By dropping two objects out the window
One heavy and one light
To test which one hits the sidewalk first

Now what shall we use for the lighter object?
I’m thinking of something small and square
An eraser?
Good, and what shall we use for the heavy object?
I’m thinking of something round and bouncy

Tommy, I haven’t given you permission to leave your seat
Class, class the bell has not rung
What are you, class, put me down, class, put me down this instant
What, what are you.....

Throw over teacher and we’ll see if she can bounce
We’ve learned our lesson, teacher says perfection’s what counts
She’s getting old and gray and wears an ugly coat
Throw over teacher and we’ll play another game of lifeboat

Throw over grandpa ‘cause he’s getting pretty old
Throw out the baby or we’ll all be catching it’s cold
Throw over fatty and we’ll see if she can float
Throw out the retard and they won’t be rockin’ the boat, yeah
-Steve Taylor


17 posted on 10/10/2013 9:36:55 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Gasshog

I would love to see the ghost of Abraham Lincoln kick Obama in the @$$.


18 posted on 10/10/2013 9:37:17 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course she was and still is


19 posted on 10/10/2013 9:39:31 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Fai Mao
I never heard about the chimps. I will look it up.

I do know that there are home hemodialysis machines that are portable. So just put out a call to your local medical equipment store to see if they have machines you can use.

Or see if anyone who has one will bring it in for you to use long enough to keep everyone alive.

20 posted on 10/10/2013 9:48:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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