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Teacher Makes Students Decide Who Lives, Who Dies
Fox News ^ | October 10, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 10/10/2013 9:15:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A classroom of 14 and 15-year-old Illinois high school students was assigned the task of deciding the fate of ten fictional characters in an exercise that critics called a lesson in death panels.

The assignment was part of a sociology unit for freshmen and sophomore students at St. Joseph-Ogden High School in St. Joseph, just east of Champaign. The story was first reported by Champion News.

The lesson involves 10 people who are in desperate need of kidney dialysis.

“Unless they receive this procedure, they will die,” the lesson states.

But there’s a problem. The local hospital only has enough machines to support six patients.

“That means four people are not going to live,” the assignment states. “You must decide from the information below which six will survive.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; deathpanel; deathpanels; democrat; democrats; healthcare; homeschoolingisgood; illinois; obamacare; publicschool; publicschools; teachersunion; thirdwave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are being taught obamacare and the deathpanel.


41 posted on 10/11/2013 3:02:53 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: TYVets
Heh, I wrote a fictional dialogue about this on FR a couple of years back:

I see THESE kinds of "discussions" going on: Here is what will happen first:

"...I'm sorry sir...we cannot schedule that appointment for you in November 2010 to have that melanoma removed because you have not undergone your mandatory annual counseling after age 65...oh, of course you are right. I know you are only 62, but they did move the age down again this year...we have an opening in three months with the counselors office...would you like that?"

This above conversation is fully expected, but It will not be the people you will be FORCED to talk to in order to receive your care, nor the intentional delays in care that will be the most insidiously evil facets of this. It will be the conversations like this one below that will become commonplace that ONLY BEGIN to illustrate what it is all about:

FRIEND OF "JANICE" DISCUSSING "END OF LIFE COUNSELING" IN OBAMACARE : "Hi Jan, how are you? I heard your father is resisting counseling. It must be difficult, I know. There just seems to be so much of that lately. I know I am only 40 years old, but I don't understand why people like your father are so opposed to this.

I went with my mother to her counseling session, and while she was angry because she was supposed to have another five years before she had to go but they moved the age down again, she went anyway. I thought she was really rude to the counseling agent, who was just a young woman only doing her job. Hm.

Someone told me they are only hiring young women as counselors now, because the men who were doing it just got angry too easily and shouted at people to just "sign the damned papers". Hm. I tried to tell my mom why they have to do this, but she said they do it just to get rid of old people to save money.

The counseling agent gave my mom a copy of the book "Death is Joy". I read it, and it makes a lot of sense to me. Of course, when I was going to school, we didn't have to read it, but now they have required classes they take every year beginning in first grade.

Suzie is in third grade and is taking the course this year that deals with the chapter on keeping birth rates down, and Tommy is in his senior year where they cover the financial aspects of care for the elderly. He was so excited, he said that since they have implemented this national care program, the number of elderly people has dropped dramatically, so they can spend more money on programs such as monthly equality checks for the economically disadvantaged and reparations for the descendants of slaves. I think it is wonderful.

He asked me why so many elderly people are so selfish and refuse to accept counseling...I didn't really have an answer for him. Hm. Now, don't be defensive, I am not criticizing your parents.

I am just saying, it is a problem.

They had an hour-long program on PBS about this the other night, and they were saying how the people who are being selfish about this and refusing to take advantage of early exit programs that pay cash to their children are being so self-centered because they grew up in a time where everyone was self-centered and were interested only in money. You know, they showed films from the days of the capitalists where there were people who had what they called 'gas-guzzlers", and they used to make so much more money than they needed to live comfortably, so many people were going without health care because they were taking all the money..."

Then, just wait until they pass legislation for a "Death Benefit" that will be paid to the families of elderly people. That will be the icing on the cake. It will be presented as a compassionate gesture to help the families with their grief, and will put at ease those people slated for "end of life" counseling. I can see the conversation on this as well:

COUNSELOR: Thank you for coming in today, sir. Now, let's see...you have high blood pressure, rheumatoid arthritis but more importantly, positive genetic tags for vascular/heart disease, Alzheimer's, matricular degeneration and three types of cancer, prostate, esophageal and colon. Prostate and colon are very high. We see one of these two expressing itself in the next three years.

ME: Er...really?

COUNSELOR: Yes. This is all very scientifically based, and the results are incontrovertible. There is no mistake.

ME: Ahhh...could I speak to a doctor about this?

COUNSELOR: I am afraid not, sir. The rules are physicians are for direct care only, and nothing else. Federal Statue HCR23.1771-b mandates that I communicate this information to you, and inform you of the various options.

ME: But you don't know anything about medicine! You are a clerk, nothing more! How can I discuss this issue with you?

COUNSELOR: Sir, I have taken all the courses coming through High School, and attended the Life Counseling University courses offered by the government. I graduated in the top half of my class. I do understand the issues here.

ME: But...but...

COUNSELOR: Look, sir. You are getting old, and are soon going to be a burden on society. You don't have cancer right now, and can still think and get around, but for how long? You need to think about your children and their children. We offer a special financial compensation package that will help them bear the grief of your passing, to be paid out upon your death. With your approval, we emailed them an official forms packet before this meeting.

ME: I approved that?

COUNSELOR: Well, yes sir. The electronic copy is right here with your esignature (TURNS SCREEN TO FACE ME).

ME: I never signed that!

COUNSELOR: Sir, didn't you read the codocil that was automatically added at the bottom of your government supplied Will and Last Testament session that we finished up your first End of Life session you had with us last year? You did click the button that said "I approve all the changes" and you did use your voice authentication to say "I do approve".

ME: What! What is going on here? I...

COUNSELOR: Your two sons and your daughter who came in with you today have been in communication with our department on this. (Smiles) I think it is great that the government approves time-off pay for employees to attend these End of Life meetings for their parents. I'll call them in...

ME: Hey! I am not finished discus...

(DOOR OPENS, CHILDREN ENTER)

SON 1: Dad, I am so glad you signed up for the Early Exit Death Benefit. I was really behind on my tax payments for last year, and that will put me over the top...

ME: You...what?

SON 2: Yeah, dad. Billy is graduating from high school, and we want to send him to a quality college, but we could never afford it. But now we might...thanks to you.

Daughter: Oh, Daddy (tears in her eyes) I know none of us live forever, and I will miss you so much, but this money will allow me to pay th license fees to the government so I can open my dream business! Without you...

ME: HEY! WTF is going on here? I am not "ready to die", I feel pretty good, I could live for another twenty years! I didn't sign that damned thing, they just threw all this stuff in front of me! This is effing stupid! (TURNS TO COUNSELOR) Look, I don't know what kind of crap you set in motion, but undo it. I didn't sign up for this.

COUNSELOR: (PRIGGISH, TIGHT LIPPED LOOK ON HIS FACE) Sir...you have already been scheduled for next year, and your family has been paid that benefit in advance as the law allows. We cannot undo it. See the text that you signed (TURNS SCREEN) states explicitly that this if final and cannot be remanded...

ME: (SMASHES SREEN WITH HAND) LOOK! I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU HAVE TO BURROW THROUGH THE WIRES BACK TO THE CENTRAL COMPUTER SYSTEM YOURSELF, USING YOUR SLIMEY PENCIL NECK AS A LEG TO DO IT SO YOU CAN UNDO THIS ROYAL F*CKUP ON YOUR PART...

COUNSELOR: (HAND CUPPED OVER SPEAKER, EYES ON ME, WHISPERING) We have a 22-22 in here...get in here right away...

DAUGHTER: (WAILS) How could you be so selfish?

SON 1: Great. I might as well go down to the Tax Police right now to get fitted for the volunteer industry uniform...

COUNSELOR: How am I going to tell Billy he can't go to the Barack Obama University? How?

DOOR OPENS, BURLY UNION GUYS IN BLACK COVERALLS RUN UP TO ME AND TASE ME. ALL GOES BLACK

42 posted on 10/11/2013 3:13:48 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mine was an exercise in a post nuclear war. A bunker had supplies for 20 people for 9 months. The problem, 25 people showed up.

Each person in the class, 25 of us, was given one of the identities. The class took 10 minutes to decide.

I volunteered to go... Who needs a musician in a post apocalyptic world right?

The teacher was floored that we did it so fast without fighting about who stayed & who went. All the woman stayed of course.

43 posted on 10/11/2013 4:55:38 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the student opted to spare the doctor, lawyer, housewife, teacher, cop and Lutheran minister.

I was fine with it until right there.

44 posted on 10/11/2013 5:39:43 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
A number of these scenarios don’t necessarily require people to die.

Yep. I used to delight in finding ways to save everybody and since I read every thing I could get my hands on I was pretty good at coming up with ways to do it.

That really annoyed teachers for some reason.

Values clarification? My values were clear from very young. It is never right to deliberately kill an innocent.

45 posted on 10/11/2013 6:11:12 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doesn’t that happen every weekend in Chicago??


46 posted on 10/11/2013 6:12:29 AM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: Huddled Masses
Their location is a wasteland: no vegetation, no wild game, no lakes or streams.

Where did they land, Mars?

And the answer is that you go to quarter rations. If there is enough for nine people then there is enough for 17. At quarter rations you can keep 17 people fed for six weeks. People can survive with very little food for a long time.

47 posted on 10/11/2013 6:22:03 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Ezekiel
Right. How about locating four more machines? Or donating a kidney.

ObamaCare.

You've got what you've got, and be damned thankful for it. You're lucky we didn't take one away and sell the kidney to a Registered Liberal with a drug habit!

48 posted on 10/11/2013 6:27:58 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
She was right, again.

That's such a good line, that I fear people will steal it from you, and turn it into another "Bush's fault".

49 posted on 10/11/2013 7:02:16 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: Fai Mao

Just sick! Why is there only one hospital in existence?


50 posted on 10/11/2013 7:34:42 AM PDT by smilebig1 (Just one opinion)
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To: rlmorel

LOL! Really enjoyed your playlet. (I assume that’s a first draft? Outstanding!) Have you thought about putting it on “film” (just filming it digitally — you could even do it with your smart phone) and posting it on YouTube? Seriously. (If the actors are good and make it funny, it doesn’t matter how bad the camera work is.)

I’ve been thinking for a long time that we need to push back against all the various cr*p going on, and part of pushing back is taking back as much as we can of the entertainment industry. This sort of thing is exactly what I mean. Please message me if you want to talk about doing that. (I’ve found that posting stuff on YouTube is not hard at all.)


51 posted on 10/11/2013 1:45:44 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, this’ll be simple.
Just look up their voter registration and let the Republicans die.


52 posted on 10/11/2013 1:46:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert; rlmorel

Had another thought ... if you filmed it on an iPhone or something, maybe as if it was sitting on the desk, you could work that into your script. “Sir, there’s no recording of these secret ... ah, private sessions! Now please turn that phone off!” And then the goons burst in to taze him. :)


53 posted on 10/11/2013 1:48:26 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Heh, good idea! You know what I might do? I might go to that website where you can attach dialogue to animated figures that talk to each other...never done it, but it might be fun and effective!


54 posted on 10/11/2013 1:51:22 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

I wrote it a couple of years ago at the height of the healthcare “reform” fiasco 2009-2010 I think...


55 posted on 10/11/2013 2:05:11 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: amihow

I’d figure out a way to save all of them, likely pointing out as another FReeper did that the number of machines in the teachers scenario is sufficient to do the task.

Back then Im sure I tried everything to figure out how not to participate in the question.


56 posted on 10/11/2013 10:11:41 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

How about the wealthiest 4 be allowed to buy their own kidney dialysis machine?

or is free market capitalism not allowed?


57 posted on 10/11/2013 10:13:56 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Ezekiel

One machine can serve 4 people easily

They only need it 3 days a week for 4 hours at a time


58 posted on 10/11/2013 10:15:49 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Huddled Masses
Thanks - will read later. I was talking with a former teacher about “group exercises”, and when my kids would get frustrated in trying to do a good job I told them to just do a great job on their own. The entire purpose of the group exercises is so that no single kid excels. So excel! Just to spite them. I was surprised that she agreed. I'll have to remind my kids of this "decision" problem, and to think outside the box. Although if I had to decide, it would be based on a flip of the coin or something. Teaching my First Rule. "Life isn't fair". Although I would have hoped they would have figured that out when 10 of them all had "kidney problems"!
59 posted on 10/11/2013 10:22:27 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: Fai Mao

And, nobody ever asked why not give the would be limited survivors their own chance to hammer out the situation. Quite possible some would sacrifice! Ruining the whole self centered premise of the worldly sociologist.


60 posted on 10/11/2013 10:24:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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