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Obama, Boehner negotiations at a stand still (Obama rejects deal)
CNN ^ | Oct 12, 2013 | Tom Cohen, Greg Botelho and Leigh Ann Caldwell, CNN

Posted on 10/12/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Innovative

Talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Barack Obama over the government shutdown and looming debt limit deadline have hit a brick wall.

Boehner relayed the news to his Republican caucus during a Saturday morning meeting after a night of work where little progress was made. Republican Rep. Paul Labrador of Idaho emerged from the meeting, telling CNN that "the President rejected our deal."

The standstill has decreased the possibility that the House would vote to reopen the government this weekend and while leadership would remain in Washington to work on a proposal, rank-and-file members might return to their districts until Monday afternoon.

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This is supposed to be a surprise?
1 posted on 10/12/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

“Some conservatives — like tea party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas — left the meeting upset at Obama for continuing to insist the government must reopen and the debt ceiling must be increased before he would take part in full-fledged negotiations on deficit reduction.”


2 posted on 10/12/2013 8:34:47 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Hey O-hole... GFY!


3 posted on 10/12/2013 8:36:10 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Innovative
Unless the Republicans totally capitulate to Pres Stompy Foot there shall be no agreement.

Keep the government shut down.

4 posted on 10/12/2013 8:37:21 AM PDT by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Innovative

Good news. Might wake Boehner up to reality, tone his hyperactive surrender reflex down a bit, or frustrate him so that he steps down.

No room in this revolution for men without balls.


5 posted on 10/12/2013 8:38:36 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Innovative

Once the Marxists have seized power it is not easy to get them out with just ‘words’. Other means will be necessary.


6 posted on 10/12/2013 8:38:54 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: dagogo redux

Boehner tells House GOP negotiations have ended

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/boehner-tells-house-gop-negotiations-have-ended/2013/10/12/fa0d3f42-334a-11e3-9c68-1cf643210300_story.html

“House Republicans were told by Speaker John Boehner Saturday morning that negotiations between the House GOP and President Obama have ended, with Obama’s rejection Friday of the House’s latest offer.

At a closed door meeting in the basement of the Capitol, Boehner urged members to hold firm, several said, even as Senate Republicans work to negotiate their own proposal to end the impasse. “


7 posted on 10/12/2013 8:39:35 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Newbomb Turk

The only think Obama will accept is total capitulation — I hope Republicans won’t cave, because in the meantime Obama’s approval is going down too — 37% is nothing to write home about.


8 posted on 10/12/2013 8:41:20 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

GOP once again won’t work with the ROTUS. HUH?


9 posted on 10/12/2013 8:41:27 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Innovative
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10 posted on 10/12/2013 8:41:42 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Innovative

Closing airports and Interstate highways.......shutdown.


11 posted on 10/12/2013 8:41:55 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: Innovative

Yea!


12 posted on 10/12/2013 8:44:08 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Innovative

STAND FIRM....
Get in front of every camera you can find and put the blame where it lies, with Obama. The media will eventually be forced to admit it.

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN/SENATOR and tell them that you support them.

They are being BOMBED by the left with calls, emails. and tweets.


13 posted on 10/12/2013 8:44:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Innovative

Barry has rejected it because he knows he is close to getting complete capitulation from the GOP as usual.


14 posted on 10/12/2013 8:46:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Innovative

Obama wants the debt crisis for two reasons: First it will be used to pillory the Republicans as the cause...the MSM is salivating at the prospect as are Obama thugs. Second, true to Alinsky’s rules, Obama will use the crisis to seize more power...likely by unilaterally and unconstitutionally raising spending limits himself and making Congress irrelevant for any spending limits. With no spending restraints and an impotent Congress Obama is on his way to becoming dictator.


15 posted on 10/12/2013 8:46:55 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Georgia Girl 2

That is my thought too. ;(


16 posted on 10/12/2013 8:47:15 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Innovative

We gave them a chance not to shut it down. Too bad they shut it down. When it hurts— lets us know and if you defund obamacare we will open the government. ADIOS!!


17 posted on 10/12/2013 8:47:43 AM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: Innovative
The dumbass republicans in Washington just don't get it. The left uses Alinski tactics to get what they want. The republicans should know that by now.

“Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy THINKS you have."

The American people hate obomacare. They hate the national debt. They hate being used as slaves so the democrat base doesn't have to get out of bed in the morning to go to their own jobs.
Instead of listing to the tax slaves - those forced to pay for it all - the republicans think the lazy do nothings have all the power. They don't. The suffering middle class has all the power, and together all the votes and the funding. Speak for them (support the Tea Party) - the tax slaves - and the republicans could hold power for generations.

If they were to speak up for those who are being abused by an over bloated and oppressive government - the working people - the nation would rally by their side.

18 posted on 10/12/2013 8:48:35 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: tcrlaf

“TAND FIRM....
Get in front of every camera you can find and put the blame where it lies, with Obama. The media will eventually be forced to admit it.

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN/SENATOR and tell them that you support them.

They are being BOMBED by the left with calls, emails. and tweets.”

BUMP!!!

Yes we need to support them and encourage them to stand firm!


19 posted on 10/12/2013 8:49:07 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: concerned about politics

‘If they were to speak up for those who are being abused by an over bloated and oppressive government - the working people - the nation would rally by their side.”

Exactly and they shouldn’t be swayed by phony polls!

NBC/WSJ Poll: The Agony and the Ecstasy (Rush Limbaugh’s “must read” analysis)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3077949/posts


20 posted on 10/12/2013 8:50:59 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

This has been 5 years or longer in the making.

Every 0bama budget that has been proposed has been soundly rejected, even by democrats. Why? And were was the reproposals?

I got to thinking about this early this morning. If the democrats are so behind 0bama now...why would they have rejected the previous budgets and opted to run on a CR for YEARS?

The more I consider how things look, the more hindsight...

I think Ted Cruz et al, fell into the progressive trap on this. We’ve been seriously punked.


21 posted on 10/12/2013 8:51:06 AM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Innovative

Here is a suggestion: tell the half breed half wit fine, we are going home, I am adjourning Congress. If you wish to contact me, call my neighbors number and maybe they will be able to find me...


22 posted on 10/12/2013 8:51:54 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Innovative

When you’re dealing with the Kenyan, you better get what YOU want before you give him anything. He’s a dishonest liar who can’t be trusted. I definitely would not buy a used car from him.


23 posted on 10/12/2013 8:52:21 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: tcrlaf

Emailed my House rep. and Cruz. Cornyn has heard from me enough that my messages are shunted straight to circular file.


24 posted on 10/12/2013 8:52:55 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: EBH

“I got to thinking about this early this morning. If the democrats are so behind 0bama now...why would they have rejected the previous budgets and opted to run on a CR for YEARS?”

And the real question is why aren’t the Republicans pointing this out to the American people at every chance they get, instead of staying silent — most people have no idea we’ve been running on CR.


25 posted on 10/12/2013 8:53:05 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: dagogo redux
Good news. Might wake Boehner up to reality, tone his hyperactive surrender reflex down a bit, or frustrate him so that he steps down. No room in this revolution for men without balls.

They are just marking time so that they can retire with their fat pensions, fat health care, their fat, personal political war-chests and live happily ever after in the land they betrayed.

I have often said that you could stuff all 535 of them in a blender, pour them out, and you wouldn't fine one gonad to make one man.

26 posted on 10/12/2013 8:54:47 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Innovative

Pl;ease understand that if we don’t raise HELL the senate is going to send a total defeat to the house and Boehner will allow a discharge petition and allow 20 rinos to vote with 200 Dems to cram this down on us.We must stop Boehner from changing the current resolution that only he can bring any bill for a vote. If he waives that we are cooked. Peter King the RINO king has folded into a democrat. There are others. STOP THIS DISASTER FOR OUR COUNTRY.


27 posted on 10/12/2013 8:55:19 AM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: Innovative

So DC GOP cave again and its still not good enough for obama, what do they need to bring lubricant with the next time.


28 posted on 10/12/2013 8:55:24 AM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: Innovative

excellent !

Obama is republican’s ace in the hole !

they are trying to surrender but zero’s arrogance and hubris won’t accept it, he demands more.

If zero continues to hold out for total surrender, we may get to the debt ceiling after all, and then we get a balanced budget and republicans win after all, even if the beltway leadership is trying to throw the game


29 posted on 10/12/2013 8:56:10 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: Innovative; All
Just a thought, Obama says he won't “negotiate with a gun to (his) head” -—
What if the “trigger” is already pulled?
What if Congress allows the deadlines to pass?
Does that not change the dynamics a bit?
30 posted on 10/12/2013 8:57:13 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Newbomb Turk

I agree!!! Pubbies...you better darn realize you hold the upper hand!!! Forget Obama, his Democrat ilk and his Obamabot media and their rigged polls....they lie....alll the time!!! Pubbies stick it to Obama, and watch him cave as you stay strong!!! Flush your whimp RINO senators down into the cesspool of traitors to American. Hang tough!!! Believe me....the American people stand with you!!!


31 posted on 10/12/2013 8:57:30 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Innovative

I don’t think they realize it.

They are stuck in the beltway mindset and can’t see the forest for the trees. Their vision is too narrow in their little elite world.

And keep in mind that this obvious truth can only lead on to one conclusion about the 0bama regime.


32 posted on 10/12/2013 8:58:39 AM PDT by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: Innovative
The only think Obama will accept is total capitulation — I hope Republicans won’t cave, because in the meantime Obama’s approval is going down too — 37% is nothing to write home about.


It's tough to try to negotiate a deal to avert a disaster when one side of the negotiating wishes to precipitate a disaster.

Neville Chamberlain learned this much to his dismay.

In this case, however, there will not be a disaster if Obama refuses to negotiate a budget deal.

What will result is a massive amount of very hard and competent work for the President to prioritize spending to balance the budget.

Making the current President work hard and act competently at very difficult tasks really puts him, as Alinsky would say, out of his range of experience and at a big disadvantage.

As Chief Executive, he will have to make hard choices and piss people off.

Once he stops being able to be Mr Everything to Everyone and disguise and paper over our countries fiscal and economic problems by spending other people's borrowed money , he will crash and burn.

So will the rest of the Democrats.

That is why they are all in such a panic.

33 posted on 10/12/2013 8:59:50 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Innovative
The people screaming the loudest about the shutdown seem to be the furloughed federal employees. Saw one chippy on tv whining that while she will eventually be paid, she has a mortgage to pay, so she needs her check NOW! Good Grief, Woman! Don't you have some money saved for such emergencies? Guess not.

Seems to be a typical federal mindset. Spend, spend, spend and don't bother saving because there will always be money coming in.

Alas, these idiots are the ones who make the news. Military, survivors, vets, people whose livelihood depends on federal sites — they aren't important. The king doesn't care about them.

34 posted on 10/12/2013 9:00:59 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: EBH

Only because most the GOP is a pretend opposition party, otherwise they might be more confrontational with the media. The media wants sound bites anyway, the GOP could start provoking with them easily with short, universally parroted statements.

The time to disrupt and start larger civil disobedience actions is now. Get an Obama mask for Halloween, they’ll be good for later demonstrations and effigies.


35 posted on 10/12/2013 9:01:38 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: The Great RJ
Obama wants the debt crisis for two reasons: First it will be used to pillory the Republicans as the cause...the MSM is salivating at the prospect as are Obama thugs. Second, true to Alinsky’s rules, Obama will use the crisis to seize more power...likely by unilaterally and unconstitutionally raising spending limits himself and making Congress irrelevant for any spending limits. With no spending restraints and an impotent Congress Obama is on his way to becoming dictator.

"The issue is never the issue. The issue is the revolution."

36 posted on 10/12/2013 9:01:48 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Innovative
"The President rejected our deal."


37 posted on 10/12/2013 9:02:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Innovative

The interesting ingredient in all this is that ... the government has been shut down for 12 days and there is no devastation ... no one really cares. Before it happened there was all this worry and concern and then .. nothing after it happened. Won’t some member of Congress point this out? we don’t need all this government ... therefore we CAN cut it and reduce it


38 posted on 10/12/2013 9:05:26 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Slings and Arrows

It’s time for the Republicans to start playing hardball — make sure to point out to the uninformed public that they went out of their way to compromise but Obama is the one who rejected every deal, “it’s his deal or the highway” and there supposed to be three co-equal branches of the government, not one dictator.

People would get it, they just need to have it explained to them clearly.


39 posted on 10/12/2013 9:06:59 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Parmy
They are just marking time so that they can retire with their fat pensions, fat health care, their fat, personal political war-chests and live happily ever after in the land they betrayed.

Ever notice how these people go to Washington as paupers and retire as multimillionaires? How do they do that on such a low income?
To them, those in Washington, It's not about saving the tax slaves. To the elite, we're nothing but their own personal beasts of burden. It's about them, their power, and their luxuries.
The democrats don't bother hiding it. That's why they never get called on it. They flaunt their luxuries. The republicans are always getting into trouble, because they have to try to hide their lust for power and money, and like today the truth occasionally sneaks out.

Republicans will cave. It's the only way they can scam their millions to retire on.

So, keep working suckers. The politicians from both parties want more of your money. They've got their private islands to pay for.

40 posted on 10/12/2013 9:07:23 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

That’s why there should be term limits — it was never intended for them to spend their entire lives in Congress.


41 posted on 10/12/2013 9:08:59 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Well we can all be sure that our republican leadership will add more to the deal until Obamafascist gets all he wants, then they will claim it is a great deal for both sides.


42 posted on 10/12/2013 9:09:50 AM PDT by stockpirate (Build a gallows outside the US Capital and they will come..or we need to drag them to it..)
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To: Innovative; All
"a surprise"
not for me; I've got Sen. Mitch "Mumbles" McConnell as my Senator, he'll fold every F'n time.
a.k.a. Mitch "the *itch/No B@lls/Mumbles" McConnell (Establishment-District of Criminals).

43 posted on 10/12/2013 9:10:35 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Innovative

It should have been Boehner to Obama “Nuts”.


44 posted on 10/12/2013 9:10:39 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Innovative

“And the real question is why aren’t the Republicans pointing this out to the American people at every chance they get, instead of staying silent”

Answer: because the GOP wanted it that way. They fought weakly for the Ryan budget, and barely peeped about the Penny plan or the Tea Party budget (both of which seriously cut spending). The GOP are 95% PROGRESSIVES.

Cruz, Paul, Lee, Gohmert, Amash, et al., are anomalies in this party.

You are right that most don’t know we’re under a CR. Those who do now think its regular order. The fundamental transformation is here.


45 posted on 10/12/2013 9:11:12 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: Innovative
Obama will fight to the death of this nation if that is what it will take to pass his "signature achievement" socialized medicine...... for a free nation with a semi democratic/republic government....Obama is a Socialist and has great disdain for the America he supposedly serves.

No Funding for Obamacare....it is a waste of money now and will only become worse with corruption and waste.

46 posted on 10/12/2013 9:11:28 AM PDT by yoe ( Defund Obamacare now — or risk voter backlash in 2014)
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To: Innovative

"Conservative Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah said Obama called the medical device tax a "legitimate concern" that can be addressed because it wasn't part of the core Obamacare program."

I'm really glad to see we're back in the business of bailing out the Dems on vulnerable issues... If it's something like the medical device tax that Dems fear because they don't want to have to defend it in 2014, then we should bend over backwards to help them. If it's something we loathe (like the contraception/abortifacient mandate, for example), we shouldn't even mention it...

That way we'll get an even worse Obamacare law... and the Dems will have a much easier time of retaining the Senate in 2014. Go get 'em Stupid Party!

47 posted on 10/12/2013 9:12:06 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: The Great RJ

He is purging top generals and other officers from the services. All services...be prepared!!!


48 posted on 10/12/2013 9:12:32 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: dagogo redux
No room in this revolution for men without balls.

Revolutions aren't won by votes.

49 posted on 10/12/2013 9:12:36 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Starstruck

Obongo would not have known to what he was referring.


50 posted on 10/12/2013 9:14:12 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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