Notice the Union officer on the left.
Those aren't Confederate troops.
Posted on 10/14/2013 8:57:50 AM PDT by celmak
At a tea party rally in Washington Sunday billed as the “Million Vet March,” one idiot decided to bring Confederate flag, which was enough for liberals to paint the entire Republican Party as racist.
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Not in the least. There's an appropriate place for your flag. Fly any flag you want outside your house, or from the back of your truck or from the mast of your ship.
But if you're going to a protest that somebody else organized about some thoroughly unrelated issue, it's poor form to start waving your controversial flag in the middle of it.
I don't care if people want to unfurl their gay rainbow flag from their front porch, but I think it would be in poor taste for them to wave it Easter mass. And I don't feel conflicted about that.
Exactly. Those who hate the Confederate Battle Flag have no love for the American flag or what it stands for either. The Confederate flag is simply an easier target for them to vent their hatred of "dead white males" with.
Baloney.
The ideological conflict between Hamilton's Federalism and Jefferson's anti-Federalism played itself out during the Civil War. By damning the Confederacy as evil and beyond the pale, you are also damning the Jeffersonian tradition of limited government, state's rights, and strict construction rather than "implied powers."
More importantly, if you're going to damn Confederates for being "evil, slaveholder Democrats," would you in the same breath attack the Declaration of Independence?
Do you really believe that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson protest the Confederate flag out of love for the United States and its flag?
I don’t GAF what sharpton or jackson does. That isn’t the question. The question is what conservatives et al. believe in and do.
I did read it but you can’t get past the fact it is your view , others have a different one of what the stars and stripes represents.
celmak wrote for me to read post 75.
I did.
It, again, is the very liberal congregate of this nation, that “put the stink on it”, with no regard, or complete denial, that it was THE DEMOCRATS, that did all that stuff!
It is the Flag of Secession, although not the first one.
So, yes, until someone comes up with a new, innovative design, it works.
I cannot claim ‘slaver’s blood heritage’ being a true half-breed, of Mojave and immigrant German/Prussian ancestry.
My hatred for slavery is justified, as is my hatred for everything the Democrat Slaver party - and its flag, the Confederate flag - has and does stand for .
And to you it represents slavery so does the stripes and stripes not represent the same to native Americans and other black slaves to some people, not you but others and their view?
Yes it frigging does, that flag flew on slave ships not a confederate battle flag, that flag flew out west killing and raping and robbing natives at the very same time while that same flag was waging war in the south saying it’s for freedom after 1863 but was taking freedom and land away from those out west.
You are so blinded by your hatred you can;t see but then again others have pointed that out to you and you still cannot understand what they’re saying
So I’ll repeat myself too. The Democrat Slaver Party that has migrated North, South, East and West, has had and still has this evil Slavery mentality in which it has not turned away from before the Civil War. It has changed for the worse - it is worse now than before. We would do better to remind people of the Democrat Slaver Party’s history of not only Slavery, but of their racism, their KKK, their Progressivism to Socialists, their Communism, their hatred for god and Bible, their holocaust of babies, etc. They may now claim that they abhor the likes of the Slavery of old, but in reality they just use different methods for the same means; some more ruthless then that of the 1800’s. The Democrat Slaver Party as a whole is evil and indefensible, the whole being how they were and how they are (worse) today.
You try to justify the Democrats [as a whole] by saying that the Republicans have also done evil, let me remind you that The Democrat Slaver Party has historically been the Party of progressivism and the Republicans the Party of (in the modern US definition) Conservatism. Sure, the Republican Party has had is ebbs and flows; but has never held long a position that is so abominable that it should be abandoned. Plus, we have the Tea Party making progress within the Republican Party. On the other hand, the Democrat Party has had many, and held on to many, evil ideals as their foundation. Furthermore; having a right to do evil does not justify an evil – as the Democrat Slaver Party has and is still doing.
For these reasons; the Democrat Party and its flag – the Confederate flag - should be abandoned and never be defend and/or justified – past or present.
“What do Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have in common with Thomas Jefferson or Grover Cleveland?”
I have not named individuals for a reason, but this seems to elude you. You have a valid question though, so I will answer it.
FACT: Jefferson and Cleveland, while they were in office and talked against slavery and racism, were both men belonging to a Party that did nothing to stop slavery (on Jefferson’s part) or segregation (on Cleveland’s part).
FACT: Jefferson was President before the Democrat Party became the Democrat Slaver Party (unless someone can bring data that states otherwise).
FACT: Cleveland appointed judges that supported segregation laws.
As to their relationship to Obama and Clinton; they were not as bad (in some things good) individually but were participants in a Party that had become the Democrat Slaver Party, in which the Confederate flag was birthed.
If anything, we should be stuffing the Confederate falg down the throat of the Democratic Slaver Party - it's their flag!
I am not trying to justify Democrats "as a whole," certainly not their present incarnation.
What I am trying to point out is that today's Democratic party has nothing in common ideologically with the Democratic party of the 19th century. Its reputation as the "progressive" party only dates back to the early 20th century, thanks largely to Woodrow Wilson and later FDR's legacies. You're retrojecting today's political lines to a time when either they didn't apply at all, or when the party lines were in some ways reversed.
I repeat that in the 19th century, the Democratic party was the party of limited Federal Government and State's rights. Today, it is the party of the very opposite. I do not defend or have any use for today's Democratic party, I do defend its 19th century realization as the defender of a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution.
When I asked what Democrats in the days of Calhoun or in the days of Cleveland had in common with today's liberal Democrats, you come up with absolutely nothing. The fact that they supported the right to own slaves or segregation has nothing to do with today's Democratic party (since by the 1960's it was the Democrats who were pushing bussing and other forced de-segregation programs), any more than the welfare state socialism of today's Democratic party tells us anything about Democrats in the days of Calhoun or Cleveland.
If you ever get a chance to speak to some Native Americans then they will tell you that the stars and stripes is as bad .
There were Indians in the north east and then down the east coast before they were killed or removed.
Hopefully you will understand that before you put a battle flag down
About many things I’m sure we agree, but I think we’re going to have to do what other posters on here have, leave it at a respectful disagreement. I will just point out again that the Confederates were looking for the freedom and liberty too, that you’re saying trumps all the hatred of the stars and stripes. As much as anyone, I wish there were a more peaceful resolution to the slavery issue. Other countries resolved the same problem, but without a war between brothers and cousins.
About the bonnie blue flag, all power to those who fly it for Southern pride. But I think your argument against the battle flag is also an argument against the bonnie blue one, as it also flew in the same way for slavery, unless Mississippi had a different view of it than the rest of the Confederacy. And it leads back to what I was trying to say about the stars and bars. Though these two flags, the bonnie blue and the stars and bars, would better represent the planter aristocracy that actually owned the slaves, far more than the battle flag, which those in the South who owned no slaves in the main fought and died for, those who claim to hate something from over 150 years ago now would have less to complain about (if any complaint at all) with those two flying. The Confederate battle flag has represented Southern pride for many more years than the Confederacy even existed. It’s an Alinsky tactic to attack a part for the whole and I think that’s what’s going on here. Instead of coming straight at an attack on American pride, they’ll go for the target they feel most likely to work. And if we let them, it will. So if they were done attacking the battle flag, what do you expect would stop them going after the bonnie blue flag, once they smarten up and figure out what it is? I don’t expect the American Indian maiden on the New York flag to escape either.
Notice the Union officer on the left.
Those aren't Confederate troops.
Oh these schools are all in black areas and guess what, the blacks there voted to keep their names.
If you're talking about Nathan Bedford Forrest High School in Jacksonville, the Duval County School Board voted along racial lines to keep the name.
There's a petition circulating with thousands of signatures on it to put the matter before the voters.
Other than that, I guess you're right.
I think not. England in 1775 began illegal collective punishments without trial of Boston after the Tea Party, then sent soldiers out into the countryside to steal weapons. They started the war by so doing.
In 1860 the slave power began the war by firing on an unarmed US supply ship and a US fortification. There was no oppressive behavior to justify those acts.
There is also the frequency of rape on the part of slave masters.
In many cases black slaves had the slave master as their father. Such was life for Fredrick Douglass and countless other slaves.
Sadly, Strom Thurmond had committed statutory rape as a young man against an under age daughter of a family servant. Long after he left the Democrat (and Dixiecrat) party the facts came out. At least he did provide financial support for his daughter that resulted from that illegal union.
Uh, no; unlike the Confederate flag, the Bonnie Blue was not created for the Democratic Slaver Party.
http://www.anyflag.com/history/bonnie.htm
yes, there were black slave owners. They were being enslaved by the states of the pretended confederacy during the insurrection. It was the policy of the pretended confederacy to restore Americans of african descent to what they regarded as the rightful position of servitude.
Just as free blacks in North Carolina were permitted to vote until 1835, and denied the vote after that. The slave power changed the rules as necessary to benefit the large wealthy slave owners who dominated the southern state governments.
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