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North Andover (MA) High Punishes (sober) Teen For Giving Drunken Pal Ride Home From Party
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Posted on 10/14/2013 12:12:38 PM PDT by matt04

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To: ratzoe

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51 posted on 10/14/2013 12:58:22 PM PDT by gusty
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To: JediJones
If she’s constantly making herself available as a free ride for her friends to drink then she is enabling them, because they know they can use her as an escape route every time.

You're making assumptions that are unwarranted in order to support your (IMO) exceedingly narrow viewpoint.

52 posted on 10/14/2013 12:58:49 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: shelterguy

There’s nothing “nanny state” against enforcing actual laws about alcohol or drugs. This isn’t about putting veggies on the school lunch menu. This is dealing with poisonous, addictive substances that destroy the lives of people of all ages.


53 posted on 10/14/2013 12:59:30 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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Bring civil suits against the school “officials” for defamation of character.


54 posted on 10/14/2013 1:02:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: matt04

” In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games.”

Two weeks after school’s over no one is going to care what sport she played. Her revenge should be to become successful, make lots of money, and rub it in the school administrators’ faces every chance she gets.


55 posted on 10/14/2013 1:02:49 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Age of Reason; EDINVA

>> That’s what she gets for being friends with the wrong kids.

When I was Erin’s age, I might have been her friend. As EDINVA pointed out, kids do dumb stuff... often they outgrow it.

Do you know what was the strongest influence on me to stop doing stupid stuff? Not my parents, not my school, not the police. It was my PEERS who had more sense than I did who set an example that shamed me and caused me to want to change to be more like them.

I’d ask that you consider the effect of a strong good example like Erin on kids who need such, when you’re deciding who should be friends with whom.


56 posted on 10/14/2013 1:05:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: JediJones
If you’re helping drive underage teens home from a party, you’re enabling them to break the law and violate the school policy. As for kids driving home drunk, there’s a solution to that.....

You were a hall room monitor, right?

57 posted on 10/14/2013 1:05:47 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Defiant
OK, what you say may be true. What business is it of the school’s?

Praise to the school for actually having some measure of moral, ethical and legal standards for its students' conduct. You shouldn't have to go to a religious school to be taught how to lead a moral and ethical life. Proper learning isn't limited to academics and athletics. Not to mention, any abuse of drugs or alcohol spills over into other aspects of someone's life, including their academic and athletic performance. You can't focus on academics in a vacuum and ignore illegal, abusive behavior that is likely to impact on it. Not to mention behavior that very well may kill your students.

58 posted on 10/14/2013 1:05:52 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones
There’s no guarantee that would have been the outcome and it’s not her responsibility either way.

Of course not. It's perfectly possible that the drunk girl would have negotiated the two-lane road back to North Andover without doing a head-on and killing herself and who knows how many others. I'll bet Henri Paul could have, although we'll never get to find out, since Monsieur Paul is no longer coming down for breakfast.

If she’s constantly making herself available as a free ride for her friends to drink then she is enabling them, because they know they can use her as an escape route every time.

She was merely trying to mitigate a bad situation she had no role in causing.

If she said no then the other kid would have had more difficulty getting out of her jam and would have thought twice about getting herself into that situation the next time.

Yeah, there's a public policy. Punish the drunks by making them drive themselves home! With luck, they'll be alone or with fellow drunks and only hit a tree or a support column.

59 posted on 10/14/2013 1:07:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: workerbee

It’s not an assumption. If you do it one time that implies to the other person you will do it again. It’s wrong to do it even one time because it sets up the expectation you will do it repeatedly.


60 posted on 10/14/2013 1:07:57 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Who needs grace when we have the [zero-tolerance] law to fall back on?


61 posted on 10/14/2013 1:09:12 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: JediJones
It’s difficult to grasp how you can’t see that if a law-abiding friend constantly makes herself available to drive the getaway car how that encourages the illegal behavior.

Constantly? That's rather a large assumption. Obviously you never did anything you weren't supposed to as a teenager, but most everyone I ever knew in high school tried drinking at some point, sometimes to excess, which resulted in it's own punishment. All in all, I'm less concerned with that than them getting behind the wheel and killing someone else.

62 posted on 10/14/2013 1:09:12 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: JediJones

MA schools would allow that boy to shower with girls if he said he was a tranny and they’d punish the girls who complained


63 posted on 10/14/2013 1:11:31 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: JediJones

So you would not drive for a friend who’d had too many drinks? Ever?


64 posted on 10/14/2013 1:12:13 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: cynwoody

Adults engaging in legal drinking is not the same thing. The PSAs could apply to them. We’ve drawn the line at a specific age for drinking in our society. Since there’s no authority to “report” an adult drunk to, giving them a ride is a different situation. However I am pretty sure if you were trying to get your spouse to stop drinking, you wouldn’t constantly make yourself available as a ride to get them home from the bar, because that enables the behavior.


65 posted on 10/14/2013 1:15:13 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

>> Since there’s no authority to “report” an adult drunk to

ahem... to which to report an adult drunk

I’ve already warned you once. This preposition abuse will NOT be tolerated.


66 posted on 10/14/2013 1:17:15 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: matt04
Hmmm, used to be the school was responsible for you during the school day, not nights and weekends.

Zero tolerance for drugs and alcohol - don't come to school after you've used drugs or have been drinking. Do not do either on school property. Do not bring drugs or alcohol to school

I do not condone using drugs or alcohol but to have the school punish someone for what they do outside of the above circumstances is well past what any free society should tolerate.

67 posted on 10/14/2013 1:21:10 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: JediJones

When you grow up and have kids, I hope you rethink this comment.


68 posted on 10/14/2013 1:21:33 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: JediJones
Since there’s no authority to “report” an adult drunk

OK! So you were the Head hall way monitor.

69 posted on 10/14/2013 1:22:09 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: cynwoody

As I said, she should’ve called her friends’ parents or reported the party to police and let the proper authority figures take care of the kids. She helps to keep it secret from the people who deserve to know about it by acting as the getaway driver.

Meanwhile, the logic “most of us did it as kids so we shouldn’t say it’s bad now” is the kind of thinking that’s led to the continuing liberal decay in our country’s ethical values and lowering of moral standards from one generation to the next.


70 posted on 10/14/2013 1:23:11 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

>> OK! So you were the Head hall way monitor.

No, I despised the hallway monitors. But I *did* have a crush on the English teacher, so I’d usually come to her class, usually sober, and I’d sit in the front row and pay attention. And go after school for extra help. :-)


71 posted on 10/14/2013 1:26:05 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: JediJones
Adults engaging in legal drinking is not the same thing. The PSAs could apply to them. We’ve drawn the line at a specific age for drinking in our society.

I drive on Boxford roads from time to time. I could be just as dead from getting hit by a drunk high school girl as by a drunk adult. As far as I'm concerned, my safety trumps the laws of "our society".

72 posted on 10/14/2013 1:27:20 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: matt04

Someone needs to get a picture of school board members, principals and teachers buying booze, drinking or at a bar and then we’ll see how far their ridiculous zero policy goes.


73 posted on 10/14/2013 1:29:53 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Abby4116

Having too much tolerance as opposed to zero tolerance is what’s led to the drug and alcohol abuse epidemic at our country’s college campuses and among our youth in general. The “if it feels good, do it” 1960s radical pipe dream culture is a long-term loser, as our “kids” fail to grow up and keep partying on into their 30s. Meanwhile our Islamist enemies keep pumping out new future jihadists every 9 months like clockwork and our nation replenishes its dying population with third-world immigrants whose primary desire is to suck off the welfare teat, driving our nation into bankruptcy and throwing our constitutional legacy by the wayside.


74 posted on 10/14/2013 1:30:21 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones
Government school should have no involvement in anything that happens outside of school. Only a statist would encourage this.

/johnny

75 posted on 10/14/2013 1:30:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JediJones

>> “most of us did it as kids so we shouldn’t say it’s bad now”

You’re building yourself a whole busload of strawmen, FRiend — this is like the third one I’ve noted.

I can’t recall ANYONE on this thread condoning the behavior of the friend who became intoxicated, or seriously suggesting that high school kids should drink to excess.


76 posted on 10/14/2013 1:30:59 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: JediJones
Tell the parents to teach them to obey the law, respect their bodies and not drink.


77 posted on 10/14/2013 1:32:24 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: JediJones

Are you a parent of a teen?

My oldest will be 30, my youngest 16 (w/3 others spanning the gap). During my older kids HS years we have had DUI DEATHS in our HS (along w/suicides and drug ODs). And we live in a “nice” suburb. I have seen FIRST HAND parents who have buried their kids (and the grieving families classmates left behind).

This girl did the right thing. There is NO TELLING what carnage she prevented. The law (under aged drinking for the teens; providing a controlled substance for the adults who provided alcohol) will take care of the causes...this girl prevented DEADLY affects.

To penalize her is to place IDIOTIC zero tolerance “rules” above human lives and safety.


78 posted on 10/14/2013 1:33:09 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom ( Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...)
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To: JediJones

“As I said, she should’ve called her friends’ parents or reported the party to police and let the proper authority figures take care of the kids”

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Get the kid a record that will follow him around forever, make it hard to get into college or get a job. Serves the evil teenager right.


79 posted on 10/14/2013 1:35:18 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: GeronL
Maybe the friend should have called a taxi?

There's not a taxi service within a hundred miles of this computer so taxis aren't always in the equation. I'm guessing there probably is one in North Andover but I wouldn't want my high school child to ride in a car with a strange taxi driver. That's asking for trouble. Yes, anyone over 18 at that party should be charged with providing alcohol to minors.

80 posted on 10/14/2013 1:37:59 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: matt04

So better to drink and drive and not call someone, is that it?

Five young people in their late teens and young 20s were killed in a car near my home about two weeks ago — the driver was bragging at a party “I’m drunker than anyone here yet I can still drive!” — and told the kids to “pile in!”

Five young people paid with their lives when the IDIOT DRUNK driver hit a bridge abutment on the offramp and the car burst into flames. Someone had to go tell each of their mothers that their son or daughter was DEAD.

And, of course, they should have NEVER gotten into a car with someone boasting that he was the “drunkest one there!”

The sirens and helicopters woke us up because there were so many that responded - every dog in the neighborhood was barking, howling, etc., for hours it seemed. We didn’t know what was going on (4 AM in the morning) — we were soon to find out when my 19-year old received a text from one of his friends a few hours later.

One survivor, who reeked of alcohol according to the cops, managed to crawl out of the car before it exploded into flames. Memorial is unbelievable, piled with flowers, photos and candles. I pass it every day on my way home from work. Sad Sad SAD.

As the mother of a 19 and 22 year old I can’t imagine the grief and pain these families are experiencing.

Hope this school is sued and pays a high price for what they’ve done to this responsible teenager.


81 posted on 10/14/2013 1:42:11 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: JediJones

“A zero tolerance policy on drugs and alcohol for its students”... while on school property and while on school sponsored events is fine but the school dictating what student can and can not do on their own time is over the limit. FYI, I don’t drink or do drugs and have very little tolerance of those who do but I have even less tolerance for nanny state schools. You earn a diploma for the 3 Rs, not for character.


82 posted on 10/14/2013 1:45:04 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: bgill
I 'm the parent of one of those seven kids who didn't drink in high school. Probably won't ever; she's seen enough drunken behavior to last a long time. But if my kid had driven a drunk friend home, I would be proud of her. If she brought the kid to my house, I'd call the parents to let them know he or she was drunk, but safe and staying the night. They could deal with their kid the next day. If the school tried to discipline mine for keeping her friend safe, I'd be on the phone with a lawyer willing to sue the bastards.

If my kid was given a ride home because she was drunk, I would thank the friend for getting her home safely and discipline my kid for underage drinking. Unless the drinking was at a school function or on school property, the incident does not concern the school. The onus for my child's behavior is on me, not them.

83 posted on 10/14/2013 1:46:50 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: GeronL
Maybe the friend should have called a taxi?

Then we could use the same argument against the taxi driver as some here are using against the girl........

84 posted on 10/14/2013 1:49:23 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: JediJones

Zero Tolerance..

By the way the school is applying “Zero Tolerance” then my kid would be in violation if she’s sitting in our house while I drink a beer.

And it appears you’re all OK with “Zero Tolerance”.


85 posted on 10/14/2013 1:51:08 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: JediJones
Let's see if I have this right - schools have a RIGHT to discipline you for what you do outside of school - and if they do so there will be no drug or alcohol abuse when the kids go to college?

Sorry, I was too busy working during the 60's to get involved with the feel-good crowd. Never used drugs either (even pot).

But I believe parents have rights and kids have rights and what happens outside of school is none of the school's business.

Oh, the schools could teach the kids NOT to use drugs or alcohol but since that is a "value judgement" they are not permitted to do so.

We should raise our kids to pump out babies every 9 months to counter the Muslim and illegal invasion?

86 posted on 10/14/2013 1:51:55 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Nervous Tick; JediJones
I’ll vouch for you; I don’t ever remember you at any of the events I was at, and I’m *sure* a guy with a halo would have stuck in my memory.

I'll vouch for you, I never saw him at any of my parties either........but then again, he was never invited because we knew he would run and tattle on us.

87 posted on 10/14/2013 1:54:50 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Then we could use the same argument against the taxi driver as some here are using against the girl........

Excellent point!

88 posted on 10/14/2013 2:00:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JediJones
her for helping enable and cover up her friend’s illegal behavior instead of reporting it to the child’s parents.

Nowhere in the article does it say that.

The school’s policy is probably that she should not be in attendance at these illegal parties. She was and she didn’t need to be.

She wasn't attending the party. She was picking up her friend. Read the article.

89 posted on 10/14/2013 2:03:06 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Rome2000
Is anybody in Massachusetts not an asshole?

Amazing - You're from Flori-duh and you're calling others assholes? ROTFL

90 posted on 10/14/2013 2:09:07 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time ever I am not proud of my country.)
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To: bgill
There's not a taxi service within a hundred miles of this computer so taxis aren't always in the equation. I'm guessing there probably is one in North Andover but I wouldn't want my high school child to ride in a car with a strange taxi driver.

I wouldn't be too worried. We're not talking Boston or Cambridge. Boxford and North Andover are both leafy, affluent suburbs. Both went for Romney last November.

91 posted on 10/14/2013 2:10:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: bgill
She wasn't attending the party. She was picking up her friend. Read the article.

She was at work when her friend called. According to this article from last August, she works at the Andover Inn, which is right next to GWB and GHWB's prep school, Phillips Academy.

92 posted on 10/14/2013 2:18:04 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: matt04
Obviously the punishment does not fit since there was no crime! But that requires school bureaucracy to actually sit and think and we know how good they are at that!

And CBS, you need to learn to count. You say the following; In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games. Really? I got to figure, 7-8 weeks into a 37 week school year. (The Massachusetts D.O.E. requires that school calendars show a scheduled 185 day school year.) Then again 'journalists' are probably worse than bureaucrats at dividing and figuring ...

93 posted on 10/14/2013 2:21:30 PM PDT by SES1066 (To expect courteous government is insanity!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I doubt the taxi driver would know the customer, or their age


94 posted on 10/14/2013 2:24:04 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: JediJones
I am pretty sure if you were trying to get your spouse to stop drinking, you wouldn’t constantly make yourself available as a ride to get them home from the bar, because that enables the behavior.

You've just been awarded the most asinine post of the day. Not only were you head hall monitor but you stayed after after school polishing the principal's board of education. Yes, if you cared one wit about your spouse, children and family, you would pick them up each and every time they called. Heck, even if you didn't care about them but cared about your wallet, reputation, future law suits, and knowing your lack of action killed someone, you'd pick them up. Yeah, that family your spouse killed is nothing compared to your sense of high and mightiness. Hope you can sleep at night and that the jury members will praise you for not going out of your way to prevent the tragedy.

95 posted on 10/14/2013 2:25:58 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: matt04
I have a friend who I had to pick up/drive home more than a few times in high school when he'd had too much. He was one of 7 kids, that had an alcoholic mother and a father in prison, so calling his parents was out. We often "discuss" his drinking...but I never thought twice about going to get him when he needed help. The though of him being killed or killing someone...well, I couldn't live with that.

We are still friends. He doesn't drink any more and he's thanked me more than once for doing what I did.

96 posted on 10/14/2013 2:41:52 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: GeronL
I doubt the taxi driver would know the customer, or their age

but then again, he MIGHT know the passenger was under age right?

So why not just take him to the PD just to be safe? God knows we need more good samaritans in this world.......

If you want to play the game of hypothetical then so can I..........

97 posted on 10/14/2013 2:57:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Ms. Muffett suffered from arachnophobia)
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To: matt04

Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence


98 posted on 10/14/2013 2:57:14 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Betty Jane
Re #83 --- thank you, absolutely wonderful response.

When my husband got home from work, I told him about this thread and we both essentially said just what you said. We discussed it from both sides -- parents of the drinking kid, parents of the driving kid. You sum it up perfectly: The onus for my child's behavior is on me, not them.

99 posted on 10/14/2013 2:58:42 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Betty Jane; All

I should add, my husband has a lot of alcoholism in his family and NEVER drank at all in HS or college.


100 posted on 10/14/2013 2:59:56 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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