Skip to comments.North Andover (MA) High Punishes (sober) Teen For Giving Drunken Pal Ride Home From Party
Posted on 10/14/2013 12:12:38 PM PDT by matt04
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You're making assumptions that are unwarranted in order to support your (IMO) exceedingly narrow viewpoint.
There’s nothing “nanny state” against enforcing actual laws about alcohol or drugs. This isn’t about putting veggies on the school lunch menu. This is dealing with poisonous, addictive substances that destroy the lives of people of all ages.
Bring civil suits against the school “officials” for defamation of character.
” In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games.”
Two weeks after school’s over no one is going to care what sport she played. Her revenge should be to become successful, make lots of money, and rub it in the school administrators’ faces every chance she gets.
>> That’s what she gets for being friends with the wrong kids.
When I was Erin’s age, I might have been her friend. As EDINVA pointed out, kids do dumb stuff... often they outgrow it.
Do you know what was the strongest influence on me to stop doing stupid stuff? Not my parents, not my school, not the police. It was my PEERS who had more sense than I did who set an example that shamed me and caused me to want to change to be more like them.
I’d ask that you consider the effect of a strong good example like Erin on kids who need such, when you’re deciding who should be friends with whom.
You were a hall room monitor, right?
Praise to the school for actually having some measure of moral, ethical and legal standards for its students' conduct. You shouldn't have to go to a religious school to be taught how to lead a moral and ethical life. Proper learning isn't limited to academics and athletics. Not to mention, any abuse of drugs or alcohol spills over into other aspects of someone's life, including their academic and athletic performance. You can't focus on academics in a vacuum and ignore illegal, abusive behavior that is likely to impact on it. Not to mention behavior that very well may kill your students.
Of course not. It's perfectly possible that the drunk girl would have negotiated the two-lane road back to North Andover without doing a head-on and killing herself and who knows how many others. I'll bet Henri Paul could have, although we'll never get to find out, since Monsieur Paul is no longer coming down for breakfast.
If shes constantly making herself available as a free ride for her friends to drink then she is enabling them, because they know they can use her as an escape route every time.
She was merely trying to mitigate a bad situation she had no role in causing.
If she said no then the other kid would have had more difficulty getting out of her jam and would have thought twice about getting herself into that situation the next time.
Yeah, there's a public policy. Punish the drunks by making them drive themselves home! With luck, they'll be alone or with fellow drunks and only hit a tree or a support column.
It’s not an assumption. If you do it one time that implies to the other person you will do it again. It’s wrong to do it even one time because it sets up the expectation you will do it repeatedly.
Who needs grace when we have the [zero-tolerance] law to fall back on?
Constantly? That's rather a large assumption. Obviously you never did anything you weren't supposed to as a teenager, but most everyone I ever knew in high school tried drinking at some point, sometimes to excess, which resulted in it's own punishment. All in all, I'm less concerned with that than them getting behind the wheel and killing someone else.
MA schools would allow that boy to shower with girls if he said he was a tranny and they’d punish the girls who complained
So you would not drive for a friend who’d had too many drinks? Ever?
Adults engaging in legal drinking is not the same thing. The PSAs could apply to them. We’ve drawn the line at a specific age for drinking in our society. Since there’s no authority to “report” an adult drunk to, giving them a ride is a different situation. However I am pretty sure if you were trying to get your spouse to stop drinking, you wouldn’t constantly make yourself available as a ride to get them home from the bar, because that enables the behavior.
>> Since theres no authority to report an adult drunk to
ahem... to which to report an adult drunk
I’ve already warned you once. This preposition abuse will NOT be tolerated.
Zero tolerance for drugs and alcohol - don't come to school after you've used drugs or have been drinking. Do not do either on school property. Do not bring drugs or alcohol to school
I do not condone using drugs or alcohol but to have the school punish someone for what they do outside of the above circumstances is well past what any free society should tolerate.
When you grow up and have kids, I hope you rethink this comment.
OK! So you were the Head hall way monitor.
As I said, she should’ve called her friends’ parents or reported the party to police and let the proper authority figures take care of the kids. She helps to keep it secret from the people who deserve to know about it by acting as the getaway driver.
Meanwhile, the logic “most of us did it as kids so we shouldn’t say it’s bad now” is the kind of thinking that’s led to the continuing liberal decay in our country’s ethical values and lowering of moral standards from one generation to the next.
>> OK! So you were the Head hall way monitor.
No, I despised the hallway monitors. But I *did* have a crush on the English teacher, so I’d usually come to her class, usually sober, and I’d sit in the front row and pay attention. And go after school for extra help. :-)
I drive on Boxford roads from time to time. I could be just as dead from getting hit by a drunk high school girl as by a drunk adult. As far as I'm concerned, my safety trumps the laws of "our society".
Someone needs to get a picture of school board members, principals and teachers buying booze, drinking or at a bar and then we’ll see how far their ridiculous zero policy goes.
Having too much tolerance as opposed to zero tolerance is what’s led to the drug and alcohol abuse epidemic at our country’s college campuses and among our youth in general. The “if it feels good, do it” 1960s radical pipe dream culture is a long-term loser, as our “kids” fail to grow up and keep partying on into their 30s. Meanwhile our Islamist enemies keep pumping out new future jihadists every 9 months like clockwork and our nation replenishes its dying population with third-world immigrants whose primary desire is to suck off the welfare teat, driving our nation into bankruptcy and throwing our constitutional legacy by the wayside.
>> most of us did it as kids so we shouldnt say its bad now
You’re building yourself a whole busload of strawmen, FRiend — this is like the third one I’ve noted.
I can’t recall ANYONE on this thread condoning the behavior of the friend who became intoxicated, or seriously suggesting that high school kids should drink to excess.
Are you a parent of a teen?
My oldest will be 30, my youngest 16 (w/3 others spanning the gap). During my older kids HS years we have had DUI DEATHS in our HS (along w/suicides and drug ODs). And we live in a “nice” suburb. I have seen FIRST HAND parents who have buried their kids (and the grieving families classmates left behind).
This girl did the right thing. There is NO TELLING what carnage she prevented. The law (under aged drinking for the teens; providing a controlled substance for the adults who provided alcohol) will take care of the causes...this girl prevented DEADLY affects.
To penalize her is to place IDIOTIC zero tolerance “rules” above human lives and safety.
“As I said, she shouldve called her friends parents or reported the party to police and let the proper authority figures take care of the kids”
Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Get the kid a record that will follow him around forever, make it hard to get into college or get a job. Serves the evil teenager right.
There's not a taxi service within a hundred miles of this computer so taxis aren't always in the equation. I'm guessing there probably is one in North Andover but I wouldn't want my high school child to ride in a car with a strange taxi driver. That's asking for trouble. Yes, anyone over 18 at that party should be charged with providing alcohol to minors.
So better to drink and drive and not call someone, is that it?
Five young people in their late teens and young 20s were killed in a car near my home about two weeks ago — the driver was bragging at a party “I’m drunker than anyone here yet I can still drive!” — and told the kids to “pile in!”
Five young people paid with their lives when the IDIOT DRUNK driver hit a bridge abutment on the offramp and the car burst into flames. Someone had to go tell each of their mothers that their son or daughter was DEAD.
And, of course, they should have NEVER gotten into a car with someone boasting that he was the “drunkest one there!”
The sirens and helicopters woke us up because there were so many that responded - every dog in the neighborhood was barking, howling, etc., for hours it seemed. We didn’t know what was going on (4 AM in the morning) — we were soon to find out when my 19-year old received a text from one of his friends a few hours later.
One survivor, who reeked of alcohol according to the cops, managed to crawl out of the car before it exploded into flames. Memorial is unbelievable, piled with flowers, photos and candles. I pass it every day on my way home from work. Sad Sad SAD.
As the mother of a 19 and 22 year old I can’t imagine the grief and pain these families are experiencing.
Hope this school is sued and pays a high price for what they’ve done to this responsible teenager.
“A zero tolerance policy on drugs and alcohol for its students”... while on school property and while on school sponsored events is fine but the school dictating what student can and can not do on their own time is over the limit. FYI, I don’t drink or do drugs and have very little tolerance of those who do but I have even less tolerance for nanny state schools. You earn a diploma for the 3 Rs, not for character.
If my kid was given a ride home because she was drunk, I would thank the friend for getting her home safely and discipline my kid for underage drinking. Unless the drinking was at a school function or on school property, the incident does not concern the school. The onus for my child's behavior is on me, not them.
Then we could use the same argument against the taxi driver as some here are using against the girl........
By the way the school is applying “Zero Tolerance” then my kid would be in violation if she’s sitting in our house while I drink a beer.
And it appears you’re all OK with “Zero Tolerance”.
Sorry, I was too busy working during the 60's to get involved with the feel-good crowd. Never used drugs either (even pot).
But I believe parents have rights and kids have rights and what happens outside of school is none of the school's business.
Oh, the schools could teach the kids NOT to use drugs or alcohol but since that is a "value judgement" they are not permitted to do so.
We should raise our kids to pump out babies every 9 months to counter the Muslim and illegal invasion?
I'll vouch for you, I never saw him at any of my parties either........but then again, he was never invited because we knew he would run and tattle on us.
Nowhere in the article does it say that.
The schools policy is probably that she should not be in attendance at these illegal parties. She was and she didnt need to be.
She wasn't attending the party. She was picking up her friend. Read the article.
Amazing - You're from Flori-duh and you're calling others assholes? ROTFL
I wouldn't be too worried. We're not talking Boston or Cambridge. Boxford and North Andover are both leafy, affluent suburbs. Both went for Romney last November.
She was at work when her friend called. According to this article from last August, she works at the Andover Inn, which is right next to GWB and GHWB's prep school, Phillips Academy.
And CBS, you need to learn to count. You say the following; In the middle of her senior year, Erin was demoted from captain of the volleyball team and told she would be suspended from playing for five games. Really? I got to figure, 7-8 weeks into a 37 week school year. (The Massachusetts D.O.E. requires that school calendars show a scheduled 185 day school year.) Then again 'journalists' are probably worse than bureaucrats at dividing and figuring ...
I doubt the taxi driver would know the customer, or their age
You've just been awarded the most asinine post of the day. Not only were you head hall monitor but you stayed after after school polishing the principal's board of education. Yes, if you cared one wit about your spouse, children and family, you would pick them up each and every time they called. Heck, even if you didn't care about them but cared about your wallet, reputation, future law suits, and knowing your lack of action killed someone, you'd pick them up. Yeah, that family your spouse killed is nothing compared to your sense of high and mightiness. Hope you can sleep at night and that the jury members will praise you for not going out of your way to prevent the tragedy.
We are still friends. He doesn't drink any more and he's thanked me more than once for doing what I did.
but then again, he MIGHT know the passenger was under age right?
So why not just take him to the PD just to be safe? God knows we need more good samaritans in this world.......
If you want to play the game of hypothetical then so can I..........
Zero Tolerance = Zero Intelligence
When my husband got home from work, I told him about this thread and we both essentially said just what you said. We discussed it from both sides -- parents of the drinking kid, parents of the driving kid. You sum it up perfectly: The onus for my child's behavior is on me, not them.
I should add, my husband has a lot of alcoholism in his family and NEVER drank at all in HS or college.