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The Conservative War on the GOP
The Atlantic ^ | Oct 17 2013 | Molly Ball

Posted on 10/17/2013 4:54:44 AM PDT by xzins

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To: grania

“Abortion. If it’s a issue that stays with the states, we can coexist on that issue.”

The Right to Life is a Natural Right. The Constitution, in both the 5th and 14th Amendment respects that right, but doesn’t create it. It’s a Right that comes from our Creator.

Here’s the thing about libertarians and natural rights. Almost everything libertarians agree on about economics come from the men who framed the thoughts that we are free men, with Natural Rights not enshrined in government but granted to us from our Creator. It’s a concept that paved the way for our republic and the Constitution that libertarians love so dear. How can libertarians embrace this concept yet ignore its principle imports?

1. What makes you think the states have the right to outlaw a Natural Right when the fedgov doesn’t?

2. What makes you think that allowing the states to deny a human being a Natural Right is a compromise that we can co-exist with?

No.

The libertarians have enough in common with conservatives to join us in a big tent. I agree with you about that. Having said that, asking conservatives to throw down the long poles of their core beliefs is tantamount to knocking down any such tent’s core supports.


41 posted on 10/17/2013 5:54:10 AM PDT by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: chicagolady

“What took you so long?”

Actually, I’ve been done with then for a long time, but the Tea Party sort of revived my hopes.

Bush 41’s cave on taxes didn’t do my hopes any good, and then came the 94 election, but the go along to get along Republicans sabotaged a lot of that, and then came the aughties, and Bush 43, and then McCain and Romney.

I lost faith in the local GOP when I found that a lot of them, including our Republican congressthing, supported the Dems in our city, more than ten years ago. We tried to revitalize the GOP in the city, and found our way blocked by the local GOP leadership.

I’m not sure where to go at this point. Maybe organize and train local militias, hoard weapons, ammo, and necessities to get ready for the inevitable collapse.


42 posted on 10/17/2013 5:57:23 AM PDT by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: rrrod
"Staying the course with the Tea Party will be more effective."

Only if Tea Party groups get off their lazy butts and get back out in the streets. They've been quiet for way too long.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

43 posted on 10/17/2013 6:00:21 AM PDT by wku man (It's almost deer season, got your DEERGOGGLES on yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexrnFq2fXY)
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To: xzins
I began my defunding right after the Romney defeat. Not a dime for anyone who didn't vote the right way on the defund. Portman, I'll consider: he voted with Cruz to keep the filibuster going, although he was not one of the final 18 or so to vote against the last iteration---but to me the more important vote was the first one that actually had a chance of succeeding.

Have to review Mike Turner's votes, but Jim Jordan? I'll give him money any day.

44 posted on 10/17/2013 6:13:26 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: xzins

The GOP has largely abandoned conservative principles. Is it any surprise that conservatives are inclined to abandon the GOP?


45 posted on 10/17/2013 6:16:29 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ziravan
The libertarians have enough in common with conservatives to join us in a big tent.

Libertarians are very open at meetings. It is a small but well organized party. Conservatives looking for a new home could easily overwhelm the meetings.

The LP has a very good organization for putting candidates on the ballot in all 50 states. This could be a vehicle to ride to a new, freedom loving home.

As for the pro life/pro choice thing, the only victories in that battle lately have come form the state level. Keep the fight on the battlefield where we are winning.

46 posted on 10/17/2013 6:17:01 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Diogenesis

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/06/29/1183130725_7044.jpg

We need a new photo. Dead- err, Ted Kennedy (D- HELL) is still showing up.


47 posted on 10/17/2013 6:18:46 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: xzins

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3080011/posts

The Congress relinquished the power of the purse. We now live in a dictatorship. King Obama will raise the debt limit to whatever he needs to destroy our wealth and our future.


48 posted on 10/17/2013 6:19:08 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete

No there are OTHER ways, not just Art. V. We have the 2nd Amend/Civil War and/or a Second Declaration of Independence.

I wouldn’t trust a Const. Conv. with the likes of CA, IL and the whole N.E. corridor


49 posted on 10/17/2013 7:46:40 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: xzins
Oh, the po', po' widdle GOP, under attack by the Tea Party, who're willing to drive the GOP into the ground.

Since the GOP gives the Obama Democrats everything they want, what's the point of the existence of the Obama GOP? It has no reason to exist.

50 posted on 10/17/2013 7:52:12 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: MNnice

Who’s going to stay in the GOP? All chief’s no indians. They have no voters.


51 posted on 10/17/2013 7:57:09 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: SC_Pete

Congress has ILLEGALLY, the Const. does NOT give them the authority to give away what We the People have given them, relinquished most of its duties.

It’s good to see some people finally waking up, but we haven’t been a Const. Republic for a long, LONG time


52 posted on 10/17/2013 8:00:58 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: LS

port man is dead in my book. The man doesn’t have one gonad in his body, ever since he caved over has queer son he has done NOTHING to help the conservative cause. This man can’t be defeated soon enough for me.


53 posted on 10/17/2013 8:24:59 AM PDT by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: xzins
The country is going to be dominated by the left for the foreseeable future because the GOP and the Tea Party style conservatives cannot and will not coexist.

The vote from the right will be split or ‘stay home’ and the left will continue to elect Presidents like Obama.

As that domination increases, the country will be irrevocably transformed into the ‘progressive’ mold—bigger government, less freedom, more taxes on the middle class workers, less entrepaneurship because of more regulations.

And everyone on all sides of the political spectrum will be standing in a completely changed and transformed America shouting, “I'm right.” It won't take many national elections to destroy this Republic.

54 posted on 10/17/2013 8:35:07 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: dfwgator
I say that the most representatives place a higher priority on getting all the perks from the Lobbyists......I wish they did a survey on the net worth of politicians before and after they went to DC.

Paid lobbying should be a felony with a minimum penalty of 10 years on the chain gang for the first offense.


55 posted on 10/17/2013 10:10:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Iron Munro

Lobbying is just a symptom of the disease, that Government has too much power.


56 posted on 10/17/2013 10:11:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: xzins

We have a one party political system.


57 posted on 10/17/2013 10:12:12 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: i_robot73

Read Mark Levin’s book—it is a controllable process.


58 posted on 10/17/2013 10:46:19 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Finatic

He was one of a handful to vote with Cruz against cloture. I’m with him.


59 posted on 10/17/2013 10:47:20 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: i_robot73

I’ve been awake—but THIS is something profoundly and fundamentally different. Now that Obama has total control over the debt limit, he can effectively increase his borrowing without HOUSE approval. The House of Representatives is now null and void.


60 posted on 10/17/2013 10:49:32 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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