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Chinese agency downgrades US credit rating
France24 ^ | Oct 17, 2013

Posted on 10/17/2013 6:38:41 AM PDT by upchuck

A Chinese ratings agency downgraded its US sovereign credit rating Thursday despite Washington's resolution of the debt ceiling deadlock, warning that fundamentals for a potential default remained "unchanged".

Dagong lowered its ratings for US local and foreign currency credit from A to A-, maintaining a negative outlook, the agency said in a statement.

The announcement came after the US Congress passed and President Barack Obama signed a bill that extends the nation's borrowing authority and ends a two-week government shutdown.

"The fundamental situation that the debt growth rate significantly outpaces that of fiscal income and gross domestic product remains unchanged," Dagong said in the statement, adding Washington's solvency was vulnerable as old debts were still repaid through raising new debts.

"Hence the government is still approaching the verge of default crisis, a situation that cannot be substantially alleviated in the foreseeable future," it said.

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The Chinese. Leading the way again.
1 posted on 10/17/2013 6:38:41 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck
Washington's solvency was vulnerable as old debts were still repaid through raising new debts.

A perfect summation of the problem. Wish I could get away with that.

2 posted on 10/17/2013 6:40:35 AM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: upchuck

Kick the Can Congress...


3 posted on 10/17/2013 6:40:44 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: upchuck
Wish I could get away with that.

Cash advance a different credit card each month with a higher amount? LOL !!!

4 posted on 10/17/2013 6:44:26 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: upchuck

The credit rating drops are just starting. Someone is going to one up this Chinese company and give us a B+.

The Baghdad Bob MSM will blame it on the recent brinkmansship when its actually only about the never ending debt increases.


5 posted on 10/17/2013 6:44:28 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: upchuck

Oh Noes


6 posted on 10/17/2013 6:45:37 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: 11th_VA

It’s easier if you own a printing press.


7 posted on 10/17/2013 6:46:14 AM PDT by j. earl carter
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To: upchuck
The upside of downgraded credit is that fewer will be willing to buy our debt. What happens if the treasury holds a sale and no-one shows up?

/johnny

8 posted on 10/17/2013 6:46:54 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: upchuck

Bring back jobs to America.

Go into any Walmart, K-mart any large store in America.

Everything is made in China. Bring American jobs home.


9 posted on 10/17/2013 6:46:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: upchuck

‘Tis interesting indeed to see that communists in both Russia and China appear to have far more comprehension of economics than certain Nobel Econ Prize recipients, most congresscritters, and all MSM dolts.


10 posted on 10/17/2013 6:52:44 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: 11th_VA

As a triage interviewer at a local food bank, I speak with many folks who are doing exactly that.


11 posted on 10/17/2013 6:53:58 AM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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A Chinese ratings agency downgraded its US sovereign credit rating Thursday despite Washington's resolution of the debt ceiling deadlock

I cannot get over how stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid these idiot reporters can be. They really believe that taking zero action to resolve the debt problem of spending more money than we take in and deciding to go get yet another credit card and max that one out is somehow a good thing. Good grief, people. Do you not understand that no one will want to lend money to someone who has been unable to balance its books for 56 consecutive years? The reason our credit rating went down (again) is because we have taken on almost $7 trillion in new debt in just under 5 years. And passing a resolution calling for more of the same only adds fuel to the fire. The only thing that can save our credit rating at this point is to stop raising the debt ceiling. Why can't these fools understand that? When they max out their personal credit cards, does VISA simply issue them a new one at the lowest rate possible? Seriously.

12 posted on 10/17/2013 6:54:02 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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It’s not stupidity; it’s the purposeful, continual brain-washing of the 80%+ of the public that is brain dead and unwilling to think for itself.

Of course, you’re right. We’re all preaching to the choir here.

This is exactly where Republicans can finally do some good, by standing up, clearly explaining the problem (that they certainly have helped to create) over and over again to the public, until the MSM has no alternative but to report.


13 posted on 10/17/2013 7:09:52 AM PDT by Clarence
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Kick the Can Congress...

No, this is much worse than kicking the can. This is an agreement to (legally) pile on an additional $750 billion in debt over the next four months. Kicking the can would have been to simply leave the debt where it was and pay none of it down.

14 posted on 10/17/2013 7:11:20 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Hoodat

BUMP!


15 posted on 10/17/2013 7:12:25 AM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: upchuck

BTW—I don’t think that the Chinks have been buying ANY of our debt for some time now.
They have been dumping it on any “greater fools” that they could find and their net $$$ holdings have dropped from $3+ billion to less than half that.
Crafty, the$e Chine$e.


16 posted on 10/17/2013 7:15:02 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: Hoodat

What has to happen is to get more downgrades and see our interest rates go up. Paying huge interest on our debt would get us closer to solving the problem. The tax money would be going to the people who deserve it more, the people who risked lending us money that it looks like they’ll never get back. They deserve it more than the welfare moochers. And without the welfare moochers getting their checks, and the Dems adding more and more of them to the welfare rolls ad infinitum as they continue to do now, those voters will lose their incentive to vote for Democrats. Interest rates hikes are probably the only thing that will kill off welfare programs and force us to control the spending that got us into this debt. That’s how debt works...when you don’t show an ability to pay, your lenders raise your interest rates and stop lending you more so that you stop spending above your means and pay what you already owe. The sooner the cost of having this debt goes up, the sooner we can start solving the problem.


17 posted on 10/17/2013 7:20:40 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: upchuck
I am so very frustrated at the absolute disregard for the US Constitution and Federal Law that so may have demonstrated. When you combine Amendment 14, section 4 of the US Constitution:

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Essentially - to default on US debt, the president or Congress would have to actually take action to prevent payment of said debt. Even then - the 14th Amendment makes that rather difficult. The only real-world way the US debt could default would be if revenue dropped so much that there was not money available to pay the interest and principal payment... And even then, default is unlikely, as 100% of US debt is delineated in $US - therefore, more can be printed and used - and the debtor can say nothing.. Yes - it would radically damage our currency - deflation would be rampant... but they payments would be made.

Now - do the Chinese believe this president (and/or CONgress) might do such a thing to intentionally crash the economy? Who knows...

18 posted on 10/17/2013 7:34:14 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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Now - do the Chinese believe this president (and/or CONgress) might do such a thing to intentionally crash the economy? Who knows...

It takes a commie to know one.

I have several Russian acquaintances, and they all know what Obama is. They're very distressed that Americans can't see what's happening. I told them that few Americans know what Marxism is.

My dad escaped from Poland, and made sure I understood it.

19 posted on 10/17/2013 7:36:38 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: JediJones
Actually, these downgrades will have no effect on current interest rates. The only one purchasing US bonds these days is the Fed. And since they are using money they invented out of thin air, they really have no need to charge higher interest rates (to essentially themselves).

Germany did the same thing back in the 1920s. And the only thing that solved that problem was the presence of French troops marching on the Ruhr. As long as this government exhibits a crackhead's willingness to print up more money to finance government, this charade will continue regardless of anyone else's willingness to purchase US debt, especially considering that the value of that debt decreases precipitously as fast as the money supply increases.

The real victim here is those of us who work for a living. The value of our income is stolen from us with each passing day as we compete for the same goods with dollars that are worth less. In 2008, you could put $100 worth of groceries on a table, and I could purchase them all for $100. But today when I approach that same table with my same $100, there stands beside me someone with an EBT card having a $40 balance. This means that there is now $140 competing for that same table of groceries. So I walk away with 5/7 of the groceries while the guy with the EBT card walks away with the remaining 2/7. And if I need to make up the lack for my family, then I will need to come up with another $40 and find another table of groceries to bid on.

20 posted on 10/17/2013 7:37:41 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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