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McCain: Attempt to defund Obamacare was 'fool's errand'
NBC News ^ | October 17, 2013 | Becky Bratu

Posted on 10/18/2013 1:08:43 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Wednesday that the budget standoff in Washington and partisan bickering have eroded the confidence of the American people and damaged the credibility of the U.S. Congress.

In an interview with NBC News' Brian Williams, McCain said some House members' determination to repeal or defund President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act during a government shutdown was “a fool’s errand.”

"We inflicted pain on the American people that was totally unnecessary. We cannot do this again," McCain said. "We, Republicans, have a hole that we've got to come out of and obviously we're going to have to do a lot of work."

McCain, who himself opposes the president's health law, said that stubbornly pursuing the plan to destroy Obamacare during a government shutdown was an impossible task.

"So, you deceived a lot of Americans and that adds to the cynicism," he said.....

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: collaborator; mccain; mcfool; obamacare; rinos; sellout; shutdown


1 posted on 10/18/2013 1:08:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I repudiate and rescind my vote for this scallawag in 2008

My initial choice was Rep. Duncan Hunter and how I do so wish millions of others had had my vision


2 posted on 10/18/2013 1:12:25 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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Things would certainly be different if McCain didn’t attempt to fly a jet — not that there’s anything wrong with trying.


3 posted on 10/18/2013 1:12:26 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leader of the surrender caucus. Always giving the democrat response on all issues.


4 posted on 10/18/2013 1:17:16 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"eroded the confidence of the American people and damaged the credibility of the U.S. Congress."

That statement speaks volumes about Juan.
Juan: The approval of the congress has been about 5% for a long time you freaking idiot.

5 posted on 10/18/2013 1:20:17 AM PDT by DeaconRed (The TEA PARTY is my new party. Juan Mclaim and his Republican party can kiss my Grits.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Republican’ts


6 posted on 10/18/2013 1:22:54 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

7 posted on 10/18/2013 1:37:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Defunding ObamaCare was only a fools’ errand because there are so many spineless RINO fools like John McCain. This could have easily been accomplished if the GOP had some backbone and did what they were elected to do. What these fools don’t seem to understand is all they have done is alienated the people who put them in office, who happen to be in the majority obviously, and pleased the minority of people who didn’t vote for them and never ever will vote for them. I am so fed up with the lot of them!


8 posted on 10/18/2013 1:52:17 AM PDT by erkelly (Never underestimate the stupidity of the stupid party!)
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To: LeoWindhorse
McCain represents the Republican bosses who cannot see America being trampled on by the Obamanation.

Who cannot see the damages by the 29 1/2 Work Week on the American People.

Who cannot hear families cries of loosing their health insurance to to Obamacare.

Who cannot see folks loosing their jobs due to Obamacare.

Sometimes "Get along to Get Along" McCain is just not good enough.

9 posted on 10/18/2013 1:57:13 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some long shots might be “fools errands” to some, but they are at least worth the effort, especially when the stakes are so high.


10 posted on 10/18/2013 2:01:42 AM PDT by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem was the failure to have a plan to modify Obamacare in a way that could be sold to the American public. Instead, the Republicans had a marketing problem. They lacked a simple, easily explained plan. It would be something what most Americans would agree was a good plan like fixing the high cost of the premiums.

Newt Gingrich had a ten point plan he called The 21st Century Contract with America. Boehner had no such a plan.

Then when Zer0 threatened to shut down the government because he would not accept the plan, the Republicans could have said they will not fund Obamacare without the provision in the budget. The American public would have supported the Republicans with this tactic. The Republicans now will have to fight Obamacare in a more complicated way.


11 posted on 10/18/2013 2:05:23 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If anyone knows anything about fools, it’s Juan.


12 posted on 10/18/2013 2:15:36 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Hobbits are restless.


13 posted on 10/18/2013 2:30:15 AM PDT by McGruff (Mitch McConnell sold his sole for a Dam project.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
McCain, who himself opposes the president's health law...

Oh, really? You'd never know it.

14 posted on 10/18/2013 2:35:02 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: NTHockey








Juan McFool








15 posted on 10/18/2013 2:38:39 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- ----- shall not infringe upon my smoking MacBook PRO ----- ----- ----- -----)
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To: NTHockey








Juan McFool








16 posted on 10/18/2013 2:38:42 AM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- ----- shall not infringe upon my smoking MacBook PRO ----- ----- ----- -----)
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To: jonrick46

Having a credible plan to improve on Obamacare would have been a big help in the public relations battle, but I thought the tactic of refusing to raise the debt ceiling until Obama agreed to defund or delay Obamacare was not a good idea. My basic premise is that the US, as one of the world’s largest debtor nations, should do nothing to cast doubt on our ability or intent to pay our debts. Uncertainty means higher interest costs, which we simply cannot afford.

It seemed to me that those who were leading the fight believed that if they won the support of the majority of the American people, that Obama would back down and make the desired concessions rather than face the possible calamity of the US running out of funds. But Obama had an advantage in this scenario—he was the only one who didn’t care if the US was seriously harmed. That, after all, has been his goal from the start of his presidency. And here he was almost handed the means to bring possible ruination AND he could blame it on the “radical Tea party fringe.” Perfect for him, not for us.


17 posted on 10/18/2013 2:39:23 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: devolve

As 0bamacare continues to roll out and the up roar rises all we have to do is say “told ya so”.

The base voters aint gonna be happy and the conservative up starts can just remind voters which Rs voted for 0bamacare and who gets special treatment.....

We have been handed a golden opportunity!!!!


18 posted on 10/18/2013 2:45:00 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: erkelly

Amen!


19 posted on 10/18/2013 2:53:17 AM PDT by blaveda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2016

Juan is up for re-election in 2016. It takes an average of $10 million to run for the Senate. But it will take much more than that to run against Juan. He’s wealthy, to put it mildly. Being already in the office he’s got the high ground. He won last time with 59% of the vote. This time, at least during the primary, the MSM will have his back.

With those odds, you could run Jesus against him in ‘16 and still lose.


20 posted on 10/18/2013 3:01:18 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can’t those idiots in Arizona who elected this miscreant recall his sorry butt?

After McConnell he should be political target # 2.


21 posted on 10/18/2013 3:16:55 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If McCain had been alive during the American Revolution, he would have called THAT a fool’s errand, especially during the losing times.

He is a self-important idiot.


23 posted on 10/18/2013 3:29:43 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain as a presidential candidate was a fools errand.


24 posted on 10/18/2013 3:29:49 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: paristexas

The Alinskyites will not allow a “credible plan” to survive any more than they will allow a leader to arise in the Tea Party. The will put blinders on for any and all real failures of the libturds but no plan any of you can come up with will survive the ridicule and lies of the libturds and their miscreants in the Brown Shirt Media. Anyone who thinks dragging a plan into the next confrontation will be the solution will be disappointed. The “plan” is simple, Liberty. Integrity, Responsibility, Honor, Duty. Once these words had meaning. No plan or man on a white horse is gonna be a substitute. This is why the Tea Party enjoys the success it has. These words still have meaning for us. These words are why we don’t need a leader or a plan. Lacking these no venture will survive. All we need do is guide our lives toward that beacon that GW said. Toward the banner to which the wise may repair. The actions of the Surrender Caucus tell us they “are not with us”. Fine. We wouldn’t have it any other way.


25 posted on 10/18/2013 3:40:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why won’t he just go away?


26 posted on 10/18/2013 3:43:59 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Start a meme. Steal my tag.


27 posted on 10/18/2013 3:45:23 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let me fix the headline, please:

McCain: Attempt to defund Obamacare was ' is a fool!'s errand'

McNuts is a absolute buffoon!

28 posted on 10/18/2013 3:45:47 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: rrrod

Yep, and it’s already started


29 posted on 10/18/2013 3:46:38 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No, McLame, no defense of freedom is a fool's errand.
The fight against ObamaCare also made abundantly clear who the enemies of freedom are in the Republican Party.
I'm talking about YOU, sir.
30 posted on 10/18/2013 4:09:07 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: sr4402

Oh they see it. But they are reaping spoils that we aren’t seeing yet. These traitors are anything but stupid.


31 posted on 10/18/2013 4:36:57 AM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: jonrick46

“marketing problem” ha!
They have a problem because of McCain et al always collaborating.
Cruz message was simple: obamacare is a disaster because....
people are not concentrating on the alleged government shutdown, so are trying to sign up, 99.1% of the people who see the prices are refusing.
Simple message: obamacare is a disaster tada!


32 posted on 10/18/2013 4:42:57 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is are no bigger fools than Juan McAmnesty, his mini-me Twinkletoes Grahamnesty, and the Clown. Bleep you, you POS.


33 posted on 10/18/2013 4:43:16 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: paristexas

Improve?
Whats to improve?
Just say no.
Why do republicans always cave to the liberal ideas, just stop them.


35 posted on 10/18/2013 4:44:01 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain is the fool of fools. He worships his media masters believing they love and adore him, rather than the truth that they use him to achieve their left wing goals. He is, to most, the dunce he seems to be.


36 posted on 10/18/2013 4:45:51 AM PDT by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: LeoWindhorse

Rep. Duncan Hunter has long been my favorite- a true Conservative, a good American and a fine Patriot.


37 posted on 10/18/2013 4:48:46 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: tips up

McCain as a presidential candidate was a fools errand.
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I had visions of a massive stroke for Juan and President Palin.


38 posted on 10/18/2013 5:38:49 AM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: DeWalt
These traitors are anything but stupid.

Useful idiots for Socialism/Communism and the Democratic Progressive Party.

39 posted on 10/18/2013 5:57:55 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, the fools errand was when the voters of Arizona re-electing you to the Senate.


40 posted on 10/18/2013 5:59:50 AM PDT by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m so tired of McLame I could puke.


41 posted on 10/18/2013 7:46:54 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: svcw; wastoute

“Improve?
Whats to improve?
Just say no.”

Our health care system is a disaster. It takes 17% of our GDP (twice that of any other country) and we have the same life expectancy as Cubans. Surgical procedures cost four times as much here as in Europe. Why is it a disaster? Because it’s not free enterprise—it’s a system rigged by the government to benefit the medical establishment.

It is almost impossible to get any kind of medical service in America without getting a doctor’s approval, which is ridiculous. I have a cholesterol problem. I am always experimenting with diet and exercise to see what can help, but to get a simple cholesterol test, I have to go down to see my doctor, explain to him why I want it, get him to agree and then pay a sizable fee to both him and the lab. Which means I don’t do it nearly as often as I would like. I also use certain medications pretty regularly. To get them refilled, I have to go again to the doctor, hat in hand, explaining what I want. Because, after all, who would trust me to know what I need to take, even though I’ve been taking it for 20 years. However, as I have traveled around to various countries, I have come to realize that in many parts of the world, almost all medications are available for sale at the local pharmacies without a doctor’s prescription. Everything from antibiotics to heart medication. And at a small fraction of what we pay in America. What a great idea! If someone doesn’t know what they need, they talk to the pharmacist. This one change eliminates at least 50% of all doctor visits.

The next obvious change: double the number of medical schools. The doctors have a monopoly on medical care. They also determine how many doctors there are by only giving AMA approval to a limited number of medical schools. Let’s have enough medical schools to have a surplus of doctors, so they can actually compete like the rest of the professions do. That’s what free market capitalism is all about. The government bows down and limits the number of doctors because they are afraid of taking on the AMA. I don’t think we’re afraid to do it.

One more obvious thing to do is to put some incentives into the system for people to control costs. Right now, for most people, bills are paid by an insurance company or by the government. Most people don’t ask, how much is this going to cost me, because they’re not paying. They don’t shop for cheaper care, or learn to do therapy at home, or lots of other things to save money, because they’re not paying. I know seniors who go to see their doctors because they are lonely. It doesn’t cost them anything. Let’s install some incentives in the system to save money. If patients start to care about what things cost, the doctors will too.

Defeating Obamacare is a good idea, and it’s going to happen eventually, when people realize what a disaster it is. But we have been living with a disastrous medical system for far too long. It’s time for a change. Let’s give free market capitalism a chance.


42 posted on 10/19/2013 5:03:35 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: paristexas

hum?
I have a short visit once a year with the doctor, mostly to see how I am doing and lab slip for blood work (the med I am taking can damage the liver)
Otherwise. I just send him a note and he refills what I want. He would order all the cholesterol tests I want, if I asked. He says it does take about four months for the numbers to change, so he would just say I am being silly, if I want to pay for the tests be my guest.
You can buy kits on line to test your cholesterol, try that.


43 posted on 10/19/2013 5:52:08 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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To: paristexas

Man, I could write a book in answer to what you replied. Some of it has been done. Paul Star, “The Social Transformation of American Medicine”. Published 1978. Excellent book and great starting point. Being an MD I don’t face all the problems you do and my HDL is usually in the 70s while my LDL and TG are usually in the 50s I do feel for you. OTOH statins can cause serious problems and I have seen folks permanently damaged by them (not by me, thank God). I have been telling folks for years what is coming is collapse of our medical system and cash for services. As bad as it sounds it will actually be a good thing.


44 posted on 10/19/2013 8:59:40 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: svcw

Thanks for the info about buying cholesterol kit on the internet. May give that a try.


45 posted on 10/21/2013 5:18:58 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: wastoute

” I have been telling folks for years what is coming is collapse of our medical system and cash for services. As bad as it sounds it will actually be a good thing.”

Interesting, especially coming from a doctor. I agree that if everyone paid for their medical services, there would certainly be some good results. I think, for example, that the amount America spends on medical costs would shrink by 50% or more.


46 posted on 10/21/2013 5:23:17 AM PDT by paristexas
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