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Should We Be Allowed to Choose the Sexual Orientation of Our Children?
PS MAg (Pacific Standard) ^ | October 17, 2013 | Alice Dreger

Posted on 10/20/2013 3:50:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks. I’m still learning.


41 posted on 10/20/2013 6:05:16 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Patience you must have, my young padawan!" - Yoda)
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To: driftdiver

I agree with that. That’s the major problem with fatherless homes and the like.


42 posted on 10/20/2013 6:12:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Just another excuse to treat human beings like property: Democrats did that with blacks in the 19th century and continued to do it to the unborn in the 20th century and beyond.

Repellant indeed.


43 posted on 10/20/2013 6:41:59 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Tax-chick

Not knowing the genetic control factor, if any, “further the respondent sayeth not”.

Or, as they say in the South, “Mother raised no fools.”


44 posted on 10/20/2013 7:18:04 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: dhs12345

I have wondered how long transexuals live. What with the mutilating operations and the powerful opposite sex hormones that they have to take regularly so that they will not return to their original sexual form, it just seems like they are soing some real damage to their bodies forcing them to take a form that they naturaly do not have. Since there are more transexuals now, it will be interesting to see what will happen to them in a couple of decades. Some of them are in the public spotlight such as Chastity (Chaz) Bono so we my be seeing their ongoing soap operas on our television screens.


45 posted on 10/20/2013 7:19:52 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: cradle of freedom

Good point. It can’t be healthy. Plus the constant maintenance of shots, numerous visits to the doctors and eventually a surgeon.

It seems to me to be an obsession. Very odd in my opinion and sexuality probably has less to do with it than some underlying issue.

Michael Jackson might be a good example. He was obsessed with his appearance to the point where the doctors had mutilated his body beyond recognition. And after all of the many surgeries, he still wasn’t happy. Apparently, whatever underlying issue he had was never addressed. Just my opinion.


46 posted on 10/20/2013 7:40:40 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Stepan12
I just read recently that the founder of the Italian Barilla pasta company was being interviewed on tv. He was asked why there were no same sex couples in the Barilla ads. Mr. Barilla said that he liked to have a traditional family image. KABOOM!!! Gay Mount Vesuvius exploded all over Mr. Barilla. He is now on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness but they will not forgive.

This is a Alinsky trick that you will see more and more of. If you do not give the “right” answer you will be sent out to the outermost darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

47 posted on 10/20/2013 7:44:36 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Are SSRI's going to be used to stave off female homosexuality? There is certainly a correlation between lesbianism and depression. A causes B? or B causes A? or C causes both A and B? I don't know.

I have long thought that in some cases, and some cases only, that gay behavior is an adrenalin-producing self-medication some teens use to counteract severe depression. Political correctness says that homophobia makes gay teens suicidal, but it could be the reverse -- the gay issue is not a cause of depression, but a symptom of depression.

Unfortunately, between the drumbeat of propaganda, the bullying and the lockstep demanded by law of psychologists these days, anyone who would try to advance this theory is pretty much hamstrung.

48 posted on 10/20/2013 7:44:50 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: dhs12345
Isn't it something like anorexia? The anorexic believe that by losing enough weight they will be happy but it turns out that their problem is an emotional one not a weight problem.

Back in the early fifties their was a famous transsexual named Kristine Jorgensen. This person was a celebrity for a while. His/her story was in the newspapers and he/she was on television. Looking back, you can see that even back then they were trying to push deviancy on the population. This was only a few years after the Kinsey Report.

49 posted on 10/20/2013 8:09:35 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: Albion Wilde
I see exactly what youmean.

The PC gag on millions of mouths has made it hard to "Speak Truth" to prejudice, perversion, or power.

50 posted on 10/21/2013 8:18:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Patience you must have, my young padawan!" - Yoda)
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To: cradle of freedom
Certainly begs the question. And if people are objective (from all sides), then an answer might be available.

However, I am skeptical. The whole global warming thing has been an agenda driven joke. I question objectivity.

And the whole gay/AIDS thing is definitely agenda driven. In a massive way. And yes, I lump gay and AIDS together because, at least here in States, it is A LOT more common among gays. Of course, you knew that. Oops. I spoke the truth! The emperor has no clothes.

51 posted on 10/21/2013 8:37:24 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Leftists are insane. Pure and simple.


52 posted on 10/21/2013 8:38:16 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Maybe a little, but from what I’ve seen you don’t need to learn that much more. :^)


53 posted on 10/21/2013 1:53:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: dhs12345

Many of these agendas seem to be coming from the United Nations and why shouldn’t it, isn’t the UN going to be the future world government?


54 posted on 10/21/2013 2:31:14 PM PDT by cradle of freedom
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To: dhs12345
"Michael Jackson might be a good example. He was obsessed with his appearance to the point where the doctors had mutilated his body beyond recognition. And after all of the many surgeries, he still wasn’t happy. Apparently, whatever underlying issue he had was never addressed. Just my opinion.

Exactly. Those doctors who doped him up, cut him up, propped him up for his public appearances,, sent him mutilated and miserable to his grave: they should be facing criminal charges.

As should all these castrators who call themselves "sex-reassignment" surgeons.

55 posted on 10/21/2013 2:42:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: dhs12345
Actually imprinting homosexuality by homosexuals was a standard psychological theory before the DSM III-R. It's one of the reasons so many institutions forbade homsexual contact with children. It wasn't dropped from the diagnostic reference because of any new research; the politics simply changed.

Obviously this would be difficult to study under controlled conditions, although there is (was) a lot of anecdotal evidence. It also explains why identical twins raised under more or less identical circumstances in the same home choose different sexual orientations, although there could be lots of other reasons for that.

The genetic theory has only gained currency because homosexuals realized that as long as their lifestyle was a more or less ordinary perversion arising entirely by choice and habit they could not lay claim to the bonanza of special civil rights protections of a grievance society. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that for females it's true, and no compelling evidence for males that the genetic correlation is determinative in any strong sense.

It's a mild form of mental illness that we don't as yet have very effective broad-spectrum treatments for. Like most people suffering from mental illness, most homsexuals don't believe there's anything wrong with their minds. Sadly, in the current political climate, even if a treatment becomes available, they won't be allowed to use it.

56 posted on 10/21/2013 4:42:28 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: FredZarguna
Interesting.

Also one would think that if it were genetic, the fact that gays are less likely procreate means that the odds are stacked against them and their “genetic” trait.

And eventually, after several generations and through natural selection, the homosexual gene would become nonexistent.

57 posted on 10/21/2013 6:36:15 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
Right, but remember a number of genetic traits continue to propagate throughout time despite their intuitive unlikeliness of transmission. Trisomy 21, referenced elsewhere on this thread (Down Syndrome) is a "genetic" disorder although no specific gene is involved. Its victims are typically unlikely to reproduce, yet it has not gone away.

However, there are problems with a theory that homosexuality could be the result of structural defects introduced in the haploids of the mother or father: we simply don't see individuals with identical genetic material raised apart as being 100% correlated. As a matter of fact, in the case of identical female twins raised apart, there are no known cases where one female lesbian has a lesbian twin. None.

58 posted on 10/21/2013 10:01:19 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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