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In Fed and Out, Many Now Think Inflation Helps
New York Times ^ | October 26, 2013 | BINYAMIN APPELBAUM

Posted on 10/27/2013 1:10:29 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Mr. K

I noticed some ice cream containers are down to 1.75 and 1.5 quarts.


61 posted on 10/27/2013 3:05:04 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: RugerMini14

As long as the US is still the 500 ton gorilla of the commercial world, which so far it is, the whole world will probably keep on colluding on US fiat money while loudly bitching and moaning. China, to save face, needs to keep on saying it got something for its cheap goods even if it’s a heap of IOUs.

Money is what people believe it to be, ultimately. Yes, supply and demand matter. However most of this QE funny money is not getting out to the street. It’s sitting in funny bank accounts. If not on the street, it can’t inflate street prices.

IMHO of course.


62 posted on 10/27/2013 3:06:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Or use that new $1 Trillion coin one Dem proposed.


63 posted on 10/27/2013 3:08:00 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

By keeping interest rates artificially low, the government penalizes savers by offering them 0% on their money and rewards borrowers. It is considered a stealth tax on the middle class.


64 posted on 10/27/2013 3:09:15 PM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: Mr. K

Damn that metric system.


65 posted on 10/27/2013 3:16:22 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I give thanks every day for people who will take my dollars for their foreign assets. While you think that the US is a 500 ton gorilla, I think the US is a 500 ton house of cards.

And, yes, the velocity of the money supply has collapsed. And Basel III is forcing banks to buy sovereign debt that will ultimately collapse.

But as Milton Friedmen told us, inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon. It’s just a matter of time.


66 posted on 10/27/2013 3:21:52 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hey, it worked for Ceaucescu in Romania! Vegetables exported for cash— people starving.


67 posted on 10/27/2013 3:22:00 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: willyd
By keeping interest rates artificially low, the government penalizes savers by offering them 0% on their money and rewards borrowers.

Yes, it stinks to not have high rates and total safety combined with total liquidity.

It is considered a stealth tax on the middle class.

Everyone I know in the middle class has a decent sized mortgage.

68 posted on 10/27/2013 3:24:39 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: RugerMini14

Ultimately what makes an economy go is just plain work.

What the money is, whether it’s hunks or green paper or cockle shells, is secondary to that.

Relative changes in the value of money do stink to those who count their fortunes in mediums of currency.

The biblical admonition as far as worldly wealth could be closely paraphrased as easy come, easy go. Don’t put your treasure here. Do use your worldly assets, the mammon of unrighteousness, as you can to “make friends” who will “greet you in heavenly dwellings.”


69 posted on 10/27/2013 3:26:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: RugerMini14

Heh heh!

Hunks OF green paper. I’d like to know what the dollar to hunk exchange rate is....


70 posted on 10/27/2013 3:27:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
However most of this QE funny money is not getting out to the street. It’s sitting in funny bank accounts.

Probably true for the amounts that Bernanke printed to buy mortgage securities. Mainly that was intended to prop up the big banks by allowing them to churn mortgages based on ever lower rates. Now that rates have bottomed there will be one last refi rush and then no more. At that point Yellow will have to fall back to direct monetary infusions.

A second stream of funny money went to the politicians who printed up treasuries for the money. They spent that money on the street but that street leads mainly to Wall St and China. An obamaphone is a gift to Verizon and to some Chinese corporations.

71 posted on 10/27/2013 3:28:13 PM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Ultimately what makes an economy go is just plain work. What the money is, whether it’s hunks or green paper or cockle shells, is secondary to that.

I have 50 trillion dollars.

Taped on the wall behind my monitor.

50 trillion Zimbabwe.

If you can print it, it is essentially worthless.

72 posted on 10/27/2013 3:36:29 PM PDT by RugerMini14
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Ironically, the banking industry would be devastated by inflation. Imagine what happens when you have even 2%-3% inflation after so many people have been refinancing 30-year mortgages at 4%-5% interest rates in the last couple of years.


73 posted on 10/27/2013 4:10:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: grania

The solution to that problem is to get your money out of the bank and lend it directly to people instead. I know this sounds overly simple, but I don’t know of anything out there that prevents like-minded conservatives from pooling their money and creating some kind of lending institution or credit union to do things for themselves that banks can’t do for them.


74 posted on 10/27/2013 4:13:26 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Mr. K

I never understood that approach to doing business. It must cost a company a fortune to retool their facilities to repackage their products like that into different sized containers.


75 posted on 10/27/2013 4:16:31 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You raise a good point. Money supply is only one part of inflationary pressures in a currency. If a government triples the money supply but the velocity of money declines by two-thirds, there likely won’t be much inflationary pressure at all.


76 posted on 10/27/2013 4:19:46 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: reaganaut1

I used to want to slap the crap out of folks I met online who believed inflation was good.

Now I just imagine the look on their faces when they wake up to find all their money is good for nothing but kindling. Makes me feel a whole lot better.


77 posted on 10/27/2013 4:23:33 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Imagine what happens when you have even 2%-3% inflation after so many people have been refinancing 30-year mortgages at 4%-5% interest rates in the last couple of years.

You'd have to look at the average life of the bond.

People move, trade up, trade down, retire, die.....many things that cause their mortgages to be paid off in less than 30 years.

78 posted on 10/27/2013 4:33:24 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
We don't peg the dollar, so the government can't suddenly decide it's worth less.

Of course the dollar is pegged...to debt.

Here is how it can be devalued: the government says all bonds issued before date x must be traded in for a new series issued date y with a couple of zeros chopped off the coupon. Bonds not traded in become valueless.

Now your $10000 bond becomes a $100 bond.

79 posted on 10/27/2013 4:43:32 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: reaganaut1
a little inflation is particularly valuable when the economy is weak

Inflation leads to redistribution of wealth and income from creditor to debtors and from new and late money to old and early money.It also leads to increased tax revenues and increased impoverishment of everyone whose income or assets are contractually fixed in terms of a definite sum of money.

Inflation decreases the means of saving and the motive to save which leads to decreased capital accumulation and destruction of capital.

Inflation also causes a reversal of safety which leads to unproductive use of saving and increased hoarding, which leads to decreased capital accumulation.

Inflation leads to a prosperity delusion which leads to overconsumption which leads to decreased capital accumulation.

Inflation causes malinvestment and the withdrawal of wealth effect which leads to decreased capital accumulation.

Decreased capital accumulation leads to:
1) decreased total productive ability which leads to decreased accumulation of physical capital goods which creates a negative feedback leading to even less total productive ability.
2) decreased real profits and real wage rates and impoverishment of the masses due to the rise in average prices which leads to decrease purchasing power.
3)economic decline (rust belt)and decay (infrastructure)

Inflationary recovery feeds on itself and can lead to hyperinflation, which requires money contraction to slow it down which leads to another recession or depression.

80 posted on 10/27/2013 4:45:36 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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