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Feds award state $1.6B loan to fix Tappan Zee Bridge
NY Daily News ^ | 11/1/13 | Kenneth Lovett

Posted on 11/02/2013 11:02:24 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

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To: GeronL
I'm actually quite pleased with it. The $1.6B is a low-interest loan, not a grant. I wish every major Federal expenditure for this sort of thing was done the same way.
161 posted on 11/03/2013 7:27:42 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Do you call this the “Railroad Unification Act”?


162 posted on 11/03/2013 7:28:03 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Alberta's Child

1- probably not
2- It’s definitely not conservative or “free market”

The Railroad Unification Board would oversee this I guess?


163 posted on 11/03/2013 7:28:55 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s one of the controversies with antitrust legislation, because the government gets involved, nominally to stop a large concern from smothering potential competition; but what happens is that the competition they claim to be fostering does not materialize.


164 posted on 11/03/2013 7:29:37 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
I agree with your first point, but GE owning streets is not actual capitalism under any circumstances, is it?

With regard to Conrail, it looks like you've completely missed the key point I made previously about the establishment of that company in the 1970s. Those areas in the Northeast that no longer have rail service today weren't going to have rail service anyway. Most of those railroads were going to be out of business anyway, and their assets were going to be sold off in bankruptcy. Blaming the loss of rail service in the Northeast on Conrail is like blaming the loss of Studebaker on General Motors.

165 posted on 11/03/2013 7:32:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

The government is not a bank. If it makes economic sense, the banks would be happy to give them a loan.


166 posted on 11/03/2013 7:33:33 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL
1. I'm sure it would "work" to some degree, but that was a bit of a loaded question. It would work very well for some, and not at all for others.

2. Maybe you're right, but then you can probably make the same case about all of this country's anti-trust law.

167 posted on 11/03/2013 7:35:44 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Olog-hai
Actually, the government only needs to get involved to keep private industry from engaging in predatory trade practices. In a healthy industry, even a company that operates with an effective monopoly will still price itself competitively to keep non-existent competitors from entering the market. This is especially true in the age of modern technology where the cost of computing power and digital storage is so low that anyone can get into the business.
168 posted on 11/03/2013 7:38:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s a distorted picture. The overregulation and taxation combined with government-instituted highway competition is what hurt the railroads in the northeast the most. There was absolutely no reason for either Amtrak or Conrail to come into existence when repealing of both of those aforementioned onerous burdens (as well as the government stepping back from their “investment” in highways, which they’ve turned into an entitlement program when they advertised that it would become no such thing) would have helped them return to competitiveness, and even to profitability.


169 posted on 11/03/2013 7:40:25 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s certainly correct.


170 posted on 11/03/2013 7:41:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL

I can’t think of too many cases where a bank would give a loan for a project where the collateral is basically a piece of publicly-owned infrastructure. What recourse does a bank have if the owner of the Tappan Zee Bridge defaults on a $1.6B loan?


171 posted on 11/03/2013 7:41:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

exactly

Government is not a piggy bank nor is it a bank.

If the railroads want a bridge, let them build it.


172 posted on 11/03/2013 7:45:51 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Olog-hai

That’s also a distorted picture. With the “overregulation” came a very important concession to the railroad industry: the government has the authority to prohibit railroad unions from going on strike. Can you imagine a scenario where a president would call out Federal troops to quell a strike at a newspaper or an auto plant, for example, like you had in the past with railroad strikes?


173 posted on 11/03/2013 7:48:51 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: GeronL

A railroad would float its own bonds. In the case of the Tappen Zee Bridge, it’s a highway bridge.


174 posted on 11/03/2013 7:49:40 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Olog-hai; GeronL
Please keep posting responses, if you're up to it. I love this kind of conversation, but I've got be heading off to bed now.

I'll check in tomorrow morning before heading off to work.

Good night, fellas!

175 posted on 11/03/2013 7:51:07 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

The history of railroad unionization is certainly a messy scenario. But take note that some railroads in the past that never unionized (IIRC the PRR), were forced to unionize by the federal government.

But are you sure you aren’t getting things mixed up with New York state’s Taylor Act, which applies to public sector unions? Over in San Francisco, SEIU recently went on strike against BART.


176 posted on 11/03/2013 7:54:20 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Alberta's Child

I just do not think that subsidizing private industry in any way is something that government should be doing.


177 posted on 11/03/2013 7:54:42 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Alberta's Child

Why a “loan”? Why bother? Just make it a grant and be done with it, the facade is annoying


178 posted on 11/03/2013 7:57:54 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Impala64ssa

Total cost for new bridge is in excess of 7 Billion


179 posted on 11/03/2013 8:00:59 PM PST by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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