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Feds award state $1.6B loan to fix Tappan Zee Bridge
NY Daily News ^ | 11/1/13 | Kenneth Lovett

Posted on 11/02/2013 11:02:24 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

ALBANY — In a major boost for the state, the federal government has awarded New York the low-interest loan it was seeking to help pay for the construction of the new Tappan Zee Bridge.

The feds agreed to lend up to $1.6 billion — the largest loan ever given out under the Transportation Infrastructure Finance and Innovation Act — to fund a third of the anticipated costs for the new bridge over the Hudson River.

It’s everything we’ve been looking for and more,” Cuomo crowed on public radio.

Earlier this week, Standard & Poor’s reduced the Thruway Authority’s bond rating from an A-plus to an A, citing concern on how much tolls will go up to pay for the new bridge.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: lowerhudsonvalley; transportation; tzbridge
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Whether the current Tappan Zee Bridge gets repaired or replaced, either way it will cost tons and tons of $$$. And it will be a good reason to not only jack up the tolls, but look for excuses to increase taxes.
1 posted on 11/02/2013 11:02:28 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

I love the Tappan Zee! There’s nothing like looking through the pavement and seeing the river. Where else on earth can you get that kinda view?


2 posted on 11/02/2013 11:04:38 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Impala64ssa

And where in the hell would they ever route traffic on the Rockland side?? I can’t see it being possible to simultaneously build a new bridge alongside the LeadMonster. It’ll have to be a $1.6B bandaid.


3 posted on 11/02/2013 11:09:01 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

I hate the Tappan Zee! There’s nothing like looking through the pavement and seeing the river. Where else on earth can you get that kinda view?

People driving like it’s nothing and me coming over from Sleepy Hollow in a vacation rented car and freaking out, so high up!!

So why do they need to do it? Is there something wrong with the old Tappan Zee? Nothing mentioned in the article. Seems like bridges built much longer ago have held up better.

and if they tear it down do you think they’ll find Hoffa’s skeleton?


4 posted on 11/02/2013 11:12:34 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: ToastedHead

When I lived in that area I almost took a job that would have had me commuting over that bridge. I decided there wasn’t enough valium in the world for that.


5 posted on 11/02/2013 11:14:46 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Impala64ssa
$1.6 Billion for a stinking bridge? And we can't find money to equip our soldiers in battle?

Let them swim across the Hudson and save the money for our Troops!

Better yet, stop the flow of funds to the Imperial Presidency - he spends more of our hard-earned tax dollars on greens fees, expensive dinners and vacations than most people earn in a year!



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6 posted on 11/02/2013 11:15:31 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ToastedHead

When the coming ice age kicks in....the river will be frozen...so a bridge won’t be required.


7 posted on 11/02/2013 11:17:17 PM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Funny how the government can charge tolls on infrastructure and still not manage to make a profit, yes? Now imagine the TZB completely privatized instead.


8 posted on 11/02/2013 11:17:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Impala64ssa

Does this mean that the demonrats get to shut it down and deny access next time government shuts down?


9 posted on 11/02/2013 11:18:26 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Black Agnes

In a ‘70s vw beetle. On a windy day. I never liked it anyway but remembering that ... I’m going to have bad dreams


10 posted on 11/02/2013 11:20:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: ToastedHead
Where else on earth can you get that kinda view?

Mackinac Bridge is also see-through. It's a long way to the water....

11 posted on 11/02/2013 11:21:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Black Agnes

My very first job outta college was in Mount Kisco. The first few months I still rented a scummy apartment up in Middletown, in Orange County.

I drove all the way across to the Newburgh-Beacon, and then all the way down to Mount Kisco, just to avoid the Tappan Zee. It was a nightmare I will never forget.


12 posted on 11/02/2013 11:21:24 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Beowulf9

They’ve been talking about what a mess that bridge is structurally ever since I started driving. An old friend of mine from college was doing “lead abatement” on it back before 9/11, and he said it looked horrible. My daddy is a civil engineer and he loves to talk about any NY infrastructure. His fav is the water system.


13 posted on 11/02/2013 11:26:17 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Cyber Liberty

Its hard to get a good view really, because now when I go over it, its usually 4am when there’s no traffic and I am doing roughly 80mph.

I used to drive up through Canada to Detroit to see my grandparents across the Ambassador Bridge. Is that near Mackinaw?


14 posted on 11/02/2013 11:29:05 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: spokeshave

The freezing point of the Hudson has to be really low from all the goo in there. It will remain crossable for the first hundred years or so:)


15 posted on 11/02/2013 11:32:01 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Impala64ssa

Crappan zee bridge, perpetually under construction since opening day.
And the metal plates bolted to the decking really add to the charm.
And damaged vehicle suspensions.


16 posted on 11/02/2013 11:32:33 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

Reminded me of a wpdh parody song “roll brown water” with the line about the Hudson river water eating a hole in his jet ski.


17 posted on 11/02/2013 11:36:07 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

Not near Mackinac. Ambassador is in Detroit/Windsor while Mackinac connects the two peninsulas at the top of the mitt where Lakes Michigan and Huron meet.


18 posted on 11/02/2013 11:37:32 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: ConorMacNessa
"$1.6 Billion for a stinking bridge? And we can't find money to equip our soldiers in battle?" "They paid the toll. They knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash." (I agree. I got out of that cesspool and moved to Virginia. Screw 'em.)
19 posted on 11/02/2013 11:38:13 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Cyber Liberty

I live fifty minutes or less from the Crappan Zee.
I’m amazed that the thing hasn’t dropped into the river yet.
Of course, it’s likely fear of the Hudson river water that repels the bridge structure and keeps it supported.


20 posted on 11/02/2013 11:38:29 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

“And damaged vehicle suspensions.”

Lol, you just reminded me of when I was little and my dad used to say he could drink plain milk, and then Bosco, and by the time he got to work it would be like he drank chocolate milk. It’s a lot funnier now that I understand what he meant.


21 posted on 11/02/2013 11:43:24 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Darksheare

“it’s likely fear of the Hudson river water that repels the bridge structure”

Hilarious!


22 posted on 11/02/2013 11:45:02 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Impala64ssa

Another Obama bribe and fix to the Democrats of New York. Cuomo’s gonna run for something.

Hell, they could have asked Bloomturd for the money. He’s got it. Why won’t the cheapskate part with some of it? Answer: Because he’s a buffon, a narcisstic asshole and a cheapskate. Now that wasn’t hard, was it?


23 posted on 11/02/2013 11:49:13 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ToastedHead

Never ever dare to open a soda after driving on the Crappan Zee.
You will regret it.
Words to live by, repeated to me often by my father when he drove a route to repair elevators.

Heading back from the Yonkers armory one day, I got the unique experience of “Dukes of Hazarding” off on of those darn metal plates.
I swear the darn plate is inch and a half steel with one inch bolt nuts on the drive side of things.
Plate miraculously gone last time I went through.
(Last Thursday heading back from Westchester airport).


24 posted on 11/02/2013 11:49:37 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead
This is artwork right here!
25 posted on 11/02/2013 11:52:20 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

And all traffic blissfully unaware (usually) of the good wishes and unreality keeping them from being devoured by the river water hungrily waiting below for the flesh harvest to begin.
Seriously, where else can you drive behind a slow moving truck that is up on the tires on one side?
Only in fever dreams or movies usually.
Regular happening at the “Tap”.
It is condensed nonsense, unreality, “magic” where reality and physics go to feel dirty and cheap for awhile...

/ bad joke.


26 posted on 11/02/2013 11:55:43 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

“I swear the darn plate is inch and a half steel with one inch bolt nuts on the drive side of things.”

With all the potholes everywhere in NY, it would be a flawed study, but someone should anaylze the effect of the TZB on car life expectancy. I cringe. And the worst is when you have to make a sudden move and can’t play the lane the right way to miss the worst spots.


27 posted on 11/02/2013 11:56:29 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Darksheare

“where reality and physics go to feel dirty and cheap for awhile...”

The Fed is currently doing that with reality and economics. I hope they smoke after.


28 posted on 11/02/2013 11:59:25 PM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

NY is infested with giant invisible gophers that dig through pavement.
As for the city, they have “pothole relocation teams” the put a hook on the pothole and drag it to a new location.
Sometimes at pedestrian expense.

Going joke in Moscow Russia is that they named streets after pothole collections.
One street there is “barricade street”.
In NYC, they name them after the numbers of kills each pothole in the street is expected to accrue that day.


29 posted on 11/03/2013 12:00:44 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

Lol!
This is true, and they probably use the glass pipes from that certain smoke shop we have in this area.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 12:03:00 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

Ok, what bridge is that? I just looked at the picture. Maybe it’s been rebuilt already.


31 posted on 11/03/2013 12:03:10 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Darksheare

“pothole relocation teams”

Union of course, with triple time on Sundays. To get one relocated, the waiting list is 65 years.


32 posted on 11/03/2013 12:07:08 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Darksheare

“that certain smoke shop we have in this area”

That wouldn’t be the one in Nanuet, would it? (lololol)


33 posted on 11/03/2013 12:11:20 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Unless they can plink a pedestrian with a pothole.
They hook the pothole, floor it, then make a sharp turn while disengaging the hook.
The pothole slides down the street until it hits a curb or a pedestrian.
That’s why the crosswalks are always crappy.


34 posted on 11/03/2013 12:11:59 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

Mmmmaybe.
Lol.


35 posted on 11/03/2013 12:14:08 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Industrial Shuffleboard! That’s gotta be why they’re so damn good at it when they retire and get down to Florida.


36 posted on 11/03/2013 12:14:49 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Darksheare

Mr. Tappan Zee, do you like Imus? I love Imus. I know (I KNOW!) he’s hated here, but I have been listening to him every morning since I was five.


37 posted on 11/03/2013 12:17:17 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

That is so.
Note that they usually worked NYC dpw, some of those guys specialize in “bucketloader vehicle remodeling” during winter as well.

The crappan zee bridge decking holes, though, may not be due to giant gophers.
Instead I postulate cthulhu tentacle attacks from below.


38 posted on 11/03/2013 12:17:52 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

Afraid I never catch much of Imus in the morning.
I’m usually home asleep already if not still out and too busy dodging idiots on route 84 on my way home.
There’s this young miss I have seen repeatedly in the area who drives a black Chevy volt on the center line or head on at you in your lane on route 284 or route 6, cellphone in right hand held to left ear, arm crossing her face...
That besides the usual “merge without looking” people on 84.
Kinda keeps my mind off the radio a bit.


39 posted on 11/03/2013 12:24:25 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare
You may be right. I had customers that looked like this in New City.
40 posted on 11/03/2013 12:32:09 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

“Honest, I just have a cold!”
Meanwhile, they look like patient zero of the zombie plague.


41 posted on 11/03/2013 12:35:17 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Are you an overnighter also!? Is your sleep completely and totally screwed up forever, and you hate everyone?


42 posted on 11/03/2013 12:35:20 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: Darksheare

They tend to sneeze on whatever it is that they are about to hand you. I keep a five gallon dispenser of hand sanitizer with me at all times.


43 posted on 11/03/2013 12:37:50 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

“Possessed of a burning rage towards all day siders whom the third shifters would one day rise up against and drag screaming off into the evernight as was prophesied!”
Night owl by nature but forced to perform unnatural feats of endurance by converting to daylight hours come Tuesday.
Then Friday it is back to my natural “undead apocalypse” rhythms.
Not that I hate everyone, just the annoying ones who feel we all must be blessed with their rap “ music” at volume levels guaranteed to cause hearing loss and their concurrent inability to navigate a straight line while piloting a weed whacker on wheels.


44 posted on 11/03/2013 12:45:00 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ToastedHead

This is interesting-

“The Federal Highway Administration issued a report in October 2011 designating the Tappan Zee’s replacement to be a dual-span twin bridge. The new bridge will be built on the north side of the old Tappan Zee, connecting to the existing highway approaches on both river banks.”

They think 1.6B in NY is going to pay for that? That’s a freaking down payment. Maybe.


45 posted on 11/03/2013 12:48:51 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

Clorox wipes are stocked here.
Humanity, not naturally nocturnal, has reduced immune system responses from third shifters.
Regardless of what our internal clocks tell us.


46 posted on 11/03/2013 12:50:02 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

I have been blessed by 7 on/off since 1998. Mondays are my flip day, either going into or coming out of.

Every Monday morning I walk outta work and swear to God I will stay up until bedtime so that I can rejoin the world on Tuesday. This has not happened ONCE in 14 yrs.

Earplugs, baby, earplugs. It takes a little getting used to the feel, and getting them in just right, but then its heaven.


47 posted on 11/03/2013 12:53:14 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

It is also supposedly going to have the ability to have rail traffic tacked to it in the future.
Or so several studies said.
Whether that is still on is unknown to me.
A total replacement for this state at pay rates they do for substandard union nonwork is in the realm of forty billion initial outlay rising into cost overruns after ten years, project lasting thirty.
Or perpetually like Pennsylvania’s route 80 or the thruway in NY.
“It is open but not truly completed!”


48 posted on 11/03/2013 12:55:20 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

I don’t care what the side effects of overnights are, its infinitely better than day shift. I can get shit done at night!


49 posted on 11/03/2013 12:56:00 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: ToastedHead

I’m lucky that I live slightly off the beaten path.
My neighbors are cows.
Sleep is okay.
It’s getting there that is the trick.
“Welcome to NY! Enjoy the scenery, stay because you’re in Westchester medical because some kid pulled a Tokyo drift on the highway into you!”


50 posted on 11/03/2013 12:59:05 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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