Skip to comments.Peggy Noonan on ABC: Tea Party Aims to ‘Topple’ GOP, Not Take it Over
Posted on 11/03/2013 8:58:51 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
On Sundays This Week With George Stephanopoulos, Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan argued that the tea party was a new fixture in American politics, a movement that doesnt want to usurp a major political party but eliminate it.
The comment came during a discussion of electoral forces going into the 2014 midterms, with former Bush consultant Matthew Dowd arguing that demographics were shifting in the Democratic Partys favor.
Candidates matter, ABC News Jonathan Karl responded. Theyve nominated far-right candidates.
Lesson for the tea party? Stephanopoulos asked.
A lot of people may be cruisin for a brusin, Noonan replied. Big difference for the tea party now and say 64 and Goldwater and 76 and Reagan64 and 76, Goldwater and Reagan both wanted to seize and control and win over the Republican Party. The tea party now shows signs of not wanting to win it, but of wanting to topple it over, wanting to do away with it. That is something new in our politics. Its going to get fought out over the next few years.
Whatever it takes, Peg. Whatever it takes.
Entrenched liberals getting fearful. Suddenly the Tea Party is relevant again, because Obama needed a straw man to blame the shutdown he caused on.
She’s right. The Republican Party is unsalvageable because the Statists have a hammerlock on the party leadership and won’t be dynamited out regardless of how many Conservatives win in the House or Senate.
Freedom loving Americans outgrew the Whig Party, we’ve outgrown the Republicans the same way. There is not a dimes difference between them.
Peg’s got our number.
That’s right. Lead, follow or get the **** out of the way, GOP-e.
And they chose door number 3.
ONE CAN ONLY HOPE AND PRAY.
It may come to that, because the leadership of the Republican Party refuses to share power with a large number of middle class people who are demanding a share. Romney actually thinks they can win with a guy like Christie? Hell be another Wilkie—to give him more than his due—who will support 90% of what the Democrat proposes.
I am at a loss, I see the Tea Party as a mixture of Repubs, Dems and Independents. They are not a Party, they are a movement seeking total change from the present status quo. Damn Media Press as usual have their head up their butts, and if they don’t, then its permanently stuck up Obama’s.
i guess the’re beginning to understand that the goals and principles of the tea party have absoulutely nothing to do with party and has everything to do with God, the Constitution and the country.
PEGGY NOONAN I HATE YOU, DROP DEAD.
Romney was reported just today as leaving Ted Cruz off his list of electables for President in 2016. Can’t be any more clear than that.
RINOS have got to go for the salvation of the Republican party. The moderates have got to move aside and make way for people who love America and its Constitution.
Whether that means topple, purge, eliminate, evacerate or fumigate, whatever it takes for Americans who love their country dearly to restore the values of freedom they hold so dear.
Peggy was crowing about Christie over the weekend. et tu Noonan.
The ‘tea Partiers’ are the Goldwater Republicans who eventually got Reagan elected.
Why Georgie and Pegs, it seems like just yesterday you were dismissing the TEA Party as a thing of the past, an ancient anomaly.
Now all of a sudden out of the blue it’s so awesomely powerful it’s going to topple the Grand Old Party.
Make up your simple little minds.
Well, Peg...I like the word “topple”. It brings many fond images.
Let’s all hope her next utterance is Tea Party TOPPLLED the GOPe.
Oh yeah and we’re “madder than hell and not going to take it anymore...”
I don't know about the true makeup of the TP, but your definition is as right on as I've ever seen/heard it.
Anybody who isn't a Big Government liberal is far-right to them.
Dear, dear Peggy is an upstanding member of the Snooty wing of the GOPe. As she leaves middle age she’s suffering from depression caused by her realization that she is rapidly losing relevance. Things are leaving her behind and she is clearly losing whatever analysis skills she may have had. And she (possibly through wishful thinking) is clearly wrong about the Tea Party movement. Contrary to her fondest wishes, the Tea Party is well along the process of taking over her dear old Republican Party. While the rigid GOPe still has its hands on the reins of the party, their grip is loosening.
Just as in 1776, these are revolutionary times Peggy. And the revolutionaries are leaving the GOPe “loyalists” behind. Peggy, it’s been real.
“Suddenly the Tea Party is relevant again”
I just said this the other day. They must be annoyed it survived their IRS attack.
The GOP Establishment will make the most emotional speeches exploiting the anger of the voters over Obamacare, but will not act to reverse it if they have power.
They will amend it to Romneycare and beyond that the GOPe only intends to spend money at a slower rate of speed than the Dems as the fiscal train heads for the cliff.
The GOPe has a track record of not reversing the growth of government, increased spending and national debt.
The GOPe is not committed to an immediate balancing of the budget.
The GOPe supports the welfare state and entitlement only wanting to modify them and amend them, not tear them town.
The same Peggy Noonan who supported Mr. Obama in 2008? Why the hell would I listen to her?
Peggy Noonan....oh, yeah, the one who used to embarrass herself on “Hannity and Colmes” with her hair-tossing and her eye-batting and her faux-Hepburn giggle. There’s nothing sadder than an old broad who thinks she’s still a cheerleader.
As bad as zero is, maybe we dodged a bullet by Romney losing. He probably would have put all liberal RINOs in cabinet positions. Then we’d have the same thing we have now - just a little slower going down that slippery slope.
He is in a Blue State, he doesn't represent the grassroots GOP voter.
what difference at this point does it make, Peg?
The Tea Party's primary planks, so far as I can see, are limited government, low taxes (Taxed Enough Already), honest and free markets, light regulation, and fiscal responsibility. Tea partiers are tired of the government being into everything.
I can see where Republicans and Independents can fit into the Tea Party. But Democrats? The Democrat Party is the party of big government, social engineering, interest groups, and crony capitalism. How does a Democrat fit into the Tea Party?
Even worse - the Republican House would have rubber stamped every nitwit liberal item on Romney's left-wing agenda, and the fight would have gone out of the people on our side.
It's an exercise in logic that I posted here many times during the 2012 primary, but I had few takers. I'm not the sort who likes to say "I told you so", but the political and cultural dynamics we're seeing now, are precisely what I thought they'd be if Obama won re-election.
Good question, but I did hear Rush or Hannity talking to someone who claimed to be a Democrat Tea Partier the other day. A Reagan Democrat? Who knew such a thing existed anymore?
Can’t say that I care which way it happens, Peggy, as long as it gets done.
there were plenty of dems and ex dems (that would be me) in the streets rallying with our local tea party four years ago. in fact, lofty lofgren’s supporters called us republicans and we just laughed at them.
my family is full of conservative dems who have never voted republican with one exception: Ronald Reagan.
Noonan still thinks the we need to reinstate the League of Nations. Okay, just kidding, but damn that broad is forever behind the curve.
Peggy, we’ve only be trying to swap out the GOPe leadership for a few decades. Glad you finally caught on.
And this woman gets paid for this?
I kNOw everything that need I to kNOw about Peggy NOonan after her endorsing of NObama.
Right, and then burn down all the log cabins surrounding the office.
Peggy, Peggy, Peggy.... It’s like this, we don’t want to get hung by liberal Republicans OR democrats and we want to save American values for our children and grandchildren to enjoy. You know, the American value called “liberty”, you might remember it from elementary school.
If that means “toppling” the Republican party than that’s what it means and they better be on notice.
not far-right peghead. genuine conservatives.
Tea Party is doing pretty well for a bunch of so called “astro-turf”!
Hope And Change!
(”...We don’t get fooled again!”)(Who).
Considering the Democratic party is now the socialist/marxist party made up of 60’s radicals and the GOP is what I would call the same as the Kennedy Democrats in the 60’s, the GOP needs a MAJOR transformation.
What a cheap semantical trick. Peggy, do you think you can get away with telling us that the tea party "shows signs"? What signs?
People like you opposed Barry Goldwater and opposed Ronald Reagan, for the same reasons, and by the same despicable means.
It ain't libel or slander if it's true, so Peggy, what signs? If it's true, prove it. Otherwise, take your pious clucking and you are self-righteous slanders somewhere else.
Jeeze, Peg! First the Republican GOPe wants the Tea Party to fall in line, then it complains that they want to upset the apple cart. There IS problem here: it’s the GOPe’s failure oppose Barak Obama and the Dems. Focus Peggy!
Advice from the lass who just can’t get enough of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Even worse - the Republican House would have rubber stamped every nitwit liberal item on Romney’s left-wing agenda, and the fight would have gone out of the people on our side.”
You pretty much described both Bush presidencies.