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Meet the seemingly unfirable female firefighter
New York Post ^ | November 10, 2013 | Susan Edelman

Posted on 11/10/2013 8:54:27 PM PST by pluvmantelo

Despite failing a required FDNY running test five times, Wendy Tapia was allowed to graduate from the Fire Academy and become a firefighter. On Dec. 2, she is taking the test for an unprecedented sixth time. Tapia was one of only five women among 285 new firefighters who graduated from the FDNY’s Randall’s Island training academy on May 17. The class was hailed as the most diverse group of rookies ever, all of them EMTs or paramedics seeking promotion to firefighter. She joined a group of just 35 women among the 11,000 Bravest.

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1 posted on 11/10/2013 8:54:27 PM PST by pluvmantelo
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To: pluvmantelo

This reminds me of a quote from the movie “The Enforcer”. Eastwood, as Dirty Harry, is on a selection board for promotion to detective. He asks: what the hell do you think this is (the job of detective) some kind of encounter group?
And that is just what is happening across the board. Rather than having one set of criteria for a job, we have different criteria so the outcomes can be the same.


2 posted on 11/10/2013 9:01:18 PM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: pluvmantelo

She could probably fail every test and still not be fired. lol


3 posted on 11/10/2013 9:01:45 PM PST by GeronL
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To: pluvmantelo

Firefighter is a “promotion” from EMT? Aren’t they different jobs with different required skills?


4 posted on 11/10/2013 9:05:03 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: pluvmantelo
wonder how she did on the hauling hoses up stairs test???
5 posted on 11/10/2013 9:06:07 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: pluvmantelo

To Wendy Tapia: Don’t worry sweetheart, perhaps if you can’t make it as a firefighter, you can go active duty military and be in the infantry.


6 posted on 11/10/2013 9:08:33 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: pluvmantelo

This is an insult to every other firefighter (male and female) that has taken and passed the test in order to graduate. Passing the test - is it or is it not a requirement? If not a requirement, why were so many others barred from serving as firefighters by it? If it is, then why did she graduate? Set the criteria by what is necessary for the job and stick to them. All else is favoritism. You can call it sexism, racism, ageism, any old “ism” you want but it comes down to playing fast and loose with the criteria for the job. You put unqualified people on the job and you put lots of lives at risk. Not just the people you are supposed to be serving who expect a firefighter that can pass muster, but also their fellow firefighters and other emergency responders are put at increased risk.


7 posted on 11/10/2013 9:09:40 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: pluvmantelo

I wonder how many chances they give male candidates to successfully pass?


8 posted on 11/10/2013 9:10:19 PM PST by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: pluvmantelo

I wonder how many people will die so she can be part of that Department? She obviously isn’t physically capable enough to pass even the drastically low bar women have to get over to join a FD, so how on earth will she actually do the job? She won’t be able to pull the big 2 1/2” hoses, much less run one, and for certain won’t be able to evacuate an injured human from a burning structure. She’ll just be in the way, and her weakness may well cost someone their life, either a victim she’s unable to rescue, or a fellow firefighter that she is unable to properly back up.

This is the same problem that women in the military face. In the appropriate garrison job, or other noncom duty, they’re not really any worse than a man, and even some of the heavier-duty tasks like mechanic can be overcome with little accommodation. However, in even a peripherally-combat situation like being in a FOB that gets overrun, most are going to be a hazard to their male peers, unable to drag a wounded squadmate out of the line of fire, or even to operate a heavy crew-served weapon.


9 posted on 11/10/2013 9:12:44 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: GeronL

There’s an episode of Rescue Me where the woman was hired out of affirmative action and the crew rebelled. I’m more than confident to say the guys in the FD are not happy.


10 posted on 11/10/2013 9:13:20 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Little Pig
You are so right. If/when the stuff hits the air recirculating machine, be it in combat, a fire, or other life threatening situation... I want the biggest, meanest, most focused, confident SOB next to me - not some 5 ft 4 one hundred lbs soaking wet I'm-just-here-to-balance-the-demographics person - male or female.

The only time I want that person beside me is when we're running from a bear, then I'm going to trip them... Just kidding!

11 posted on 11/10/2013 9:19:12 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: pluvmantelo

As if the fires will care?

Man, this is insanity writ large. If she wants to serve in a parafire capability great. Maybe she can help the fireMEN back at the station. There’s more than one way to help the cause without desperately grabbing at a specific glory she just isn’t cut out to have.


12 posted on 11/10/2013 9:24:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

They have fireMEN not because fires are sexist, but because biology is. The guys are bigger, stronger, tougher. But they pay for that in lives that burn out faster, too. And they’ll never have “woman’s intuition.” Or carry a baby or nurse one. What happened to diversity-is-good anyhow? We all got to be the same?


13 posted on 11/10/2013 9:26:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
ThunderSleeps :" This is an insult to every other firefighter (male and female) that has taken and passed the test in order to graduate."

EXACTLTLY !!
Would you want YOUR LIFE to depend on her ?
Other fire fighters do ..because they have to ..for "DIVERSITY " (BULLCRAP ! )

14 posted on 11/10/2013 9:31:34 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: max americana

interesting

I could never get into that show


15 posted on 11/10/2013 9:34:05 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I would like to suggest that she is fast-tracked to be the firefighter personally responsible to ensure that our CIC is kept safe. If he needs carrying out of a burning building and up a fire ladder, I respectfully ask the Secret Service members to step out of the way and let her, the professional, handle it.


16 posted on 11/10/2013 9:34:22 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The people who live in the district where she’ll be working will have to hope she is never turned out on an actual fire. If she was part of the crew that showed up at my house, and for whatever reason the crew was unable to contain the fire and/or rescue any trapped persons within, my first action would be a lawsuit against the city for sending non-competent firefighters (the woman) to my house.

It’s kind of the same principle as preferring not to go to a black doctor. You just don’t know if they’re really there on their own merit, or if they were “racially promoted” through affirmative action.

Some jobs have (relatively) arbitrary standards, and waiving them for someone who isn’t qualified just means the paperwork isn’t done as well, or the department isn’t quite as productive. Standards for medical care, or physical standards for jobs like firefighter or soldier, involve actual life-or-death situations where not being able to move a certain amount of weight literally means you’re not qualified for the job. In the Army, for example, it seems to me that the physical requirement is an absolute standard. Either you can do the job or not. Men and women are (theoretically) interchangeable as soldiers, so if 17 pushups (women’s PT standard) is all you have to be able to do to be considered strong enough to do the job, then that’s all *anyone* needs to be able to do. Conversely, if you have to be strong enough to do 40 pushups in order to be qualified to do the job, then *everyone* has to do that many. The notion that it’s some nebulous “percentage of maximum capacity” that is being measured is meaningless, because some peoples’ “maximum capacity” just isn’t enough to do the job correctly.


17 posted on 11/10/2013 9:37:00 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Liberal thought processes don’t always make sense. We have to be liberal and give these tough physical jobs to girls because, well, just because, we have to make role models for little girls to believe that they can grow up to be a fireman.

We live in a liberal politically correct world now. And in such a world, we have inane policies with regard to these tough physical jobs, in which we lower standards so that women can qualify for the jobs.


18 posted on 11/10/2013 9:41:18 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: pluvmantelo

Her self esteem is more important to the powers that be than public safety.


19 posted on 11/10/2013 9:41:27 PM PST by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: pluvmantelo

To Tapia: Those tests are actually there for a reason. That reason is called “able to survive and rescue others in a fire.” Sorry, you dolt, the flames won’t consider gender equity and PC when you are in a burning building. Now, if just got your stupid azz fried, I would not care. But you almost certainly will get someone else killed, either a comrade trying to save you or a civilian that a physically competent male could have saved. So you are scum.


20 posted on 11/10/2013 10:18:22 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: pluvmantelo

She went sick her first day and requested a desk job.


21 posted on 11/10/2013 10:19:46 PM PST by kenf3
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To: piytar

“Now, if just...” s/b “Now if you just...”


22 posted on 11/10/2013 10:24:19 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It’s about despising all traditional limits for their own sake, not because of finding a better way to meet a traditional goal.


23 posted on 11/10/2013 10:24:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: GeronL
She could probably fail every test and still not be fired. lol

lol my ass. (no offense) This PC crap will cost lives. Every firefighter should have the size and strength of an NFL linebacker. Who do you want to see when your almost dead from smoke inhalation busting through a burning door to carry your ass to safety, Someone the size of Ray Lewis or Nancy Pelosi?

24 posted on 11/10/2013 10:31:04 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: pluvmantelo

That 12-minute standard seems like it’s already been “dumbed-down” to accommodate females. That’s an eight-minute mile.


25 posted on 11/10/2013 10:50:54 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (If you liked the website, you'll LOVE the healthcare!)
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To: piytar
Something tells me that this is going to be a set up for a lawsuit by Ms. Tapia.

When I tried to work as a firefighter, people were mean to me, so I need compen$ation.

26 posted on 11/10/2013 11:18:47 PM PST by boop (I had no IDEA I'd be paying for Obamacare. I thought it would be a rich guy.)
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To: pluvmantelo

Its NYC.

Who care if the NYFD cant save the NY city dwellers?

F-NYC.


27 posted on 11/11/2013 12:56:01 AM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: pluvmantelo

Many years ago one of my close friends who was an excellent athlete and always in good shape took the test to become a fireman. He told me about the physical part of the test. I wouldn’t be surprised if only one male in five could have passed the physical. I would have had a tough time passing it, and I though I was in shape at the time. My friend passed and was put on the waiting list, but he took another job instead and never became a fireman.


28 posted on 11/11/2013 2:51:07 AM PST by driftless2
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To: pluvmantelo

Most people overlook the real problem. If she cannot pass the test now while she is young and at the peak of her physical powers, what will she be like when she hits 40 and has gained a few pounds and lost some youth?

The answer is she will be hiding somewhere in an administrative job on light duty and earning Firefighters pay.

I have seen it.

I remember a woman who failed the training school where I worked as Firefighter, she went to court against the Chief and Captain at the school, she got a do-over and the Chief and captain got a transfer. Their replacements saw the handwriting on the wall and passed her, she graduated.

She was useless in the Company she went to, and created multiple problems, after a couple of years, one day she went on sick leave. The Firefighters stopped at a local Safeway to get groceries , and she was there working a part time job as register clerk while on sick leave from the Fire Department. This time she got fired.


29 posted on 11/11/2013 2:51:20 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: pluvmantelo
She joined a group of just 35 women among the 11,000 Bravest.

Yeah, there's a reason for that. And it should be 34.

30 posted on 11/11/2013 2:54:37 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (...)
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To: Venturer

“I remember a woman who failed the training school where I worked as Firefighter, she went to court against the Chief and Captain at the school, she got a do-over and the Chief and captain got a transfer. Their replacements saw the handwriting on the wall and passed her, she graduated.”

That very mindset is why a few managers I know won’t hire women (for clerial office work); rather than tiptoe around them, they’re willing to hire less-qualified Hispanic guys and will train them.


31 posted on 11/11/2013 3:27:45 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Impy

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I never had the desire to be a firefighter when I was an EMT-P.


32 posted on 11/11/2013 3:58:11 AM PST by Sarajevo
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To: Sarajevo

A lot of emt’s from our local ambulance service become firefighters......because of the pay. The difference is huge.


33 posted on 11/11/2013 7:41:52 AM PST by sheana
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What happened to diversity-is-good anyhow? We all got to be the same?

Progressivism means you get to have it both ways. Doublespeak rules!

34 posted on 11/11/2013 12:13:46 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: pluvmantelo

About 7 years ago the LA Weekly (the VERY liberal, left-wing, free newspaper of Los Angeles) did a very comprehensive article on LAFD and its problems with female recruits who (literally) couldn’t pull their own weight.

It was this same story, multiplied by many of LA’s women firefighters. Documented how they get hired as EMTs because the physical demands are less and fail as firefighters (looks like this chick went EMT to firefighter also). After failing they cost the county big money in Worker’s Comp and discrimination lawsuits.

Also, an obscenely disproportionate amount of money is spent recruiting and in remedial training of females.


35 posted on 11/12/2013 11:34:30 AM PST by HEM
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