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CNN source: If White House has no solution by Friday, Dems may vote for “Keep Your Plan Act”
Hotair ^ | 11/12/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 11/12/2013 7:01:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Amazing stuff via Mediaite. The “Keep Your Plan Act” is Fred Upton’s bill, which Jay Carney spent a few minutes attacking at today’s press briefing because it would make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before. That would be a disaster for the insurance industry. Healthy people would flee the new, more expensive plans for the resurrected cheaper ones, leaving no one in the new risk pool except sick people with very expensive treatments. That means either heavy losses for insurers, steep premium hikes next year to make up the difference, or some sort of federal bailout (congrats, red-state Democrats!) — or maybe a little of all three. You’ll have the same problem, though, albeit to a lesser extent, even if Upton’s bill is amended so that it applies only to people who’d been enrolled in a particular plan before it was cancelled. You can’t run a two-tiered healthy/sick insurance system. If the risk pools aren’t merged, replete with higher rates for the former, you can’t pay for the latter.

I understand why the GOP would back Upton’s bill. It’s a slam dunk politically, grinding Obama’s face in the consequences of his lie. This is the Democrats’ mess; Reid and the Senate can/will kill the bill if they like. I can’t understand why House Democrats, aware of the adverse selection problem that’s lurking here — and the political humiliation for the White House — would sign on, unless they’ve already reached a point of such pure terror over the “if you like your plan” backlash that they’re willing to kneecap ObamaCare six weeks out of the gate. Did they … not understand that millions of people were going to face cancellations and higher premiums under the law’s redistributive scheme? Of course they did. Steny Hoyer, number two in the Democratic caucus admitted it on October 29th. Fast forward two weeks and here’s where Hoyer is now:

“I don’t know what I’m gonna do on the Upton bill,” the Maryland Democrat said at a Tuesday briefing with reporters when discussing legislation sponsored by Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

Hoyer noted that he was “inclined not to be for the Upton bill at this time,” but he emphasized that he was “not closed to the option,” and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text, which is reportedly undergoing some tweaks.

“I agree that people who purchased their policies prior to [the law's enactment date] ought to be able to keep their policies,” he said.

If he agrees that they should be able to keep their policies, why did he vote for ObamaCare? The whole point of the law is that healthy middle-class people shouldn’t be allowed to keep policies that have relatively low premiums. We need to gouge those suckers with higher premiums for new “comprehensive” plans so that we can pay for the preexisting conditions of the sick. It’s like voting for immigration reform and then feigning surprise in five years when the newly “secure” border hasn’t halted illegal immigration. It’s not supposed to do that. That’s something you tell the hoi polloi in order to give Congress enough cover to vote for it.

The vote on Upton’s bill is set for Friday, which, per CNN’s source on the Hill, means the White House has 48 hours or so to come up with its own proposal for letting people keep their plans — adverse selection problem or not — before Democrats head for the lifeboats. Greg Sargent claims that the Democratic leadership is now warning the rank and file that rich liberal donors won’t look kindly at them if they abandon The One on his big “accomplishment.” I’ll leave you with this, just to show that the fear isn’t limited to Dems in red states. After a million cancellations, even DiFi’s nervous:

Feinstein: "I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act."

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; bailout; california; deathpanels; democrats; diannefeinstein; fredupton; jaycarney; keepyourplanact; louisiana; maryland; marylandrieu; michigan; obamacare; obamacarebailout; stenyhoyer; toobig2fail; toobigtofail; zerocare
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Let's say the bill passes... WILL OBAMA SIGN IT?

And if he does not, will there be enough votes in Congress to override his veto?

1 posted on 11/12/2013 7:01:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The troops are ready to mutiny...it’s reaching the “Oh, Boy” stage.


2 posted on 11/12/2013 7:06:16 PM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So all those people who’ve received cancellation notices (or “transition” notices) will receive notices that they’re back on their old plan?


3 posted on 11/12/2013 7:06:55 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is like trying to call a bullet back.


4 posted on 11/12/2013 7:06:55 PM PST by Gator113 ( Cruz, Palin and Lee speak for me, most everyone else is just noise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It's Popcorn time!!!


5 posted on 11/12/2013 7:07:18 PM PST by ssaftler (Obama speaking is like the Fat Lady warming up: "Me Me Me Me Meeee")
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To: SeekAndFind

Will the GOP help Obama and the Dems fix it or end it? If a fix takes the political pressure off the Dems for the 2014 elections, why help them? The Reps should use the desire of the Dems for a deal as leverage to make other changes.


6 posted on 11/12/2013 7:07:30 PM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise

Horses Back In the Barn Act!


7 posted on 11/12/2013 7:07:59 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Keep Your Plan Act”

I don’t know what’s in the bill but I know at this point that is not possible.


8 posted on 11/12/2013 7:08:00 PM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind
That's what it is all about, destroy the insurance companies, so that it will be a single payer system.
9 posted on 11/12/2013 7:08:18 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise

Toothpaste Into The Tube Act!


10 posted on 11/12/2013 7:08:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Get the popcorn ready, the same Dems who voted FOR Commiecare now want to get their asses as far away from it as possible LOL


11 posted on 11/12/2013 7:08:35 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SkyDancer

That’s exactly the question I have. Somehow I think not. I got my cancellation letter and it tells me my corresponding plan on the exchange will almost double my premium ($371 to $738). Why would they want to keep offering my old plan when I can pay double for a shiny new one?


12 posted on 11/12/2013 7:09:00 PM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Let's say the bill passes... WILL OBAMA SIGN IT?

The answer is no, he will veto it. But democrats will claim that they "did something" and so they can't be held accountable at election time.

13 posted on 11/12/2013 7:09:28 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Coldwater Creek

Of course that is their idea..Bob Beckel was practically begging today for Single Payer on The Five. I wonder how long that drug addicted fat ass would last on Canadian insurance, I give it a week


14 posted on 11/12/2013 7:09:43 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SeekAndFind

The Walking Dead reelected their Kenyan boy last year and the DNC “media” beat Americans over the head with it. The 42%ters wanted their ObamaCare. They again got all hot and bothered over the government shutdown and whined about the GOP. They thought Cruz was evil because Ken and Barbie on the nightly news read to them that he was. Shove ObamaCare down their throats. They deserve it. Don’t bail out the Kenyan. Every GOOB needs to vote against this atrocity.


15 posted on 11/12/2013 7:09:58 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Millions are losing their healthcare thanks to ObamaCare! What a country!!!)
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To: SkyDancer

re: So all those people who’ve received cancellation notices (or “transition” notices) will receive notices that they’re back on their old plan?

Yes, If they WANT their plan back (no coercion), that’s how I understand the INTENT of the bill.


16 posted on 11/12/2013 7:10:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Verrry clever! Dig this: the RATS will try to shift the blame on the Stupid Party which is going to vote against this stupid legislation!


17 posted on 11/12/2013 7:10:45 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“...some sort of federal bailout “
BINGO!

But it would be hidden in ‘subsidies’ for buyers.
Yeah the dems could win back the House with this.


18 posted on 11/12/2013 7:13:02 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republicans should beat them to the punch and push legislation that will stop implementation until this law can be studied, and they know exactly what it is going to do. But the Republicans will surely circle the wagons to help their “friends” on the other side of the aisle. Then they can get together and attack the Republican base.


19 posted on 11/12/2013 7:14:24 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: SeekAndFind

Hahahahahhahaha! Guess you should have read it before you passed it.

Where’s that gloating bug eyed Pelosi? Laying low now isn’t she? Where’s the interviews of demented Pelosi?


20 posted on 11/12/2013 7:15:11 PM PST by Ray76
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To: SeekAndFind
and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text,

Oh....so NOW he wants to see what's in a bill.

21 posted on 11/12/2013 7:16:20 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How’s this gonna work? Some people are gonna, somehow, be grandfathered in and anyone who gets a new plan gets raped, financially speaking? I just don’t see how this can work.


22 posted on 11/12/2013 7:16:51 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: kabar
The Reps should use the desire of the Dems for a deal as leverage to make other changes.

Put enough *poison pills* in it to effectively kill it.

If we had Republican leadership worth a crap, that's what they would do.
Rats are in a bind, tighten up on the bastards, don't let them off the hook.

23 posted on 11/12/2013 7:17:04 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

I keep remembering this video where this woman defending Obamacare saying that if it’s not passed people will be dying in the streets. First off you have to buy it. Secondly it’s insurance not care. You have to go to a hospital or doctor that will take it, and finally, you have to prove you paid in like $ 6500 in deductible before you’d get so-called “free care”. Those Liberal morons didn’t see this coming and it’ll be a hoot to listen to them scream!


24 posted on 11/12/2013 7:17:23 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All these focktards should RESIGN.


25 posted on 11/12/2013 7:18:01 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SeekAndFind
Feinstein: "I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act."

YOU LIE DIFI

26 posted on 11/12/2013 7:18:45 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: Yogafist

How do you reinstate a policy that no longer exist…each state insurance regulator would have to get involved..


27 posted on 11/12/2013 7:18:47 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“The Walking Dead reelected their Kenyan boy last year...”
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I told my wife that “The Walking Dead” is actually a metaphor for what is really happening in this country. We have been overrun by the walking BRAINdead! A person who is incapable of managing his or her own life and there are many of those who have a triple digit IQ, should not have the same vote as someone who actually contributes to the upkeep of the world.


28 posted on 11/12/2013 7:20:50 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: Hojczyk

I think the problem now is the policies are not legal, so if they vote on a “keep your policy” law, it won’t mean anything, unless they change their law. If the law was stopped, I think everything would stay the way it is. None of the policies actually cancel until after the first of the year.


29 posted on 11/12/2013 7:21:26 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m calling bullshit on this whole thing. Obama isn’t running for re-election, and at this point I don’t think he gives a rat’s rear end what anyone thinks about him or the ACA. He’s just dying to get out of Washington for good so he can do some serious full-time golfing in Hawaii. Obama will veto this if comes anywhere near him, meanwhile all these Democrats will get to boast about their “courage” in voting for this bill.

We’ve already seen the emerging Democrat strategy in Bill Clinton’s interview this week. They’re all going to throw Obama under the bus, promoting themselves and Hillary as the rational alternative. A new form of the Limbaugh theorem.


30 posted on 11/12/2013 7:21:28 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: SeekAndFind

John Kerry should lead crusade. They were for it before they were against it..’


31 posted on 11/12/2013 7:21:31 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: SeekAndFind

New sudden laws to fix the OLD s sudden laws.

Which no one read.

Which were passed AT MIDNIGHT.

On Christmas Eve.

Laws all ‘round...! On the house!


32 posted on 11/12/2013 7:22:13 PM PST by gaijin
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To: SkyDancer
So all those people who’ve received cancellation notices (or “transition” notices) will receive notices that they’re back on their old plan?

I'm wondering the same thing. After my Dec payment is made, that's it for me having insurance. I was "transitioned" and this consumer ain't buying. I will not pay a nearly 3X increase nor will I go to the government trough for health insurance. It's either my present policy at an affordable rate or there will be no health insurance.
33 posted on 11/12/2013 7:22:28 PM PST by Shannon
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To: Hojczyk

The fire burns higher. And higher. The Democrats are a bonfire.


34 posted on 11/12/2013 7:22:39 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Revolting cat!; All

‘Horses Back In the Barn Act!’

See? SEE? THIS is why I LOVE my fellow Freepers, LOL!


35 posted on 11/12/2013 7:23:14 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: mrsmith; All

A taxpayer-funded bailout of the ObamaCare insurance companies is already a provision of the law if there aren’t enough enrollees. The HHS gets to dole out the bailout money.

Details:

http://www.rwjf.org/content/dam/farm/reports/issue_briefs/2012/rwjf72568


36 posted on 11/12/2013 7:23:41 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: RipSawyer

And they, the Walking Braindead, can vote. Most do so more than once. This country is in heap big trouble.


37 posted on 11/12/2013 7:23:51 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Millions are losing their healthcare thanks to ObamaCare! What a country!!!)
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To: Aquamarine

* this * crusade


38 posted on 11/12/2013 7:24:19 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: Ray76
bela pelosis been busy....with a photoshoot....for the revamped obamacare website.


39 posted on 11/12/2013 7:26:42 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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P.S. There is NO CEILING to the BAILOUT funds that HHS can dole out to the insurance companies. They are part of the existing law and not subject to congressional appropriation.


40 posted on 11/12/2013 7:27:22 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: SeekAndFind

That will cause absolute chaos in the insurance industry. They’ve cancelled contracts with hospitals, doctors etc etc. You can’t magically reconstruct the situation before this clusterf##k launched.


41 posted on 11/12/2013 7:27:50 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms....."e)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Hahaha! Hilarious!


42 posted on 11/12/2013 7:27:59 PM PST by Ray76
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats: In deep, deep trouble.

Of course, Americans can forget things 5 minutes after they happen.


43 posted on 11/12/2013 7:28:49 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: JPG

This little hiatus due to the website disaster has offered a chance for more Americans every day to realize that this thing is not a health care plan, it’s a way for the government to horn in on everyone’s private life, while making them pay through the nose for the privilege. With the midterms coming up, not even the Democrats want to be associated with it. It’s the most epic screw-up in U.S. history, and I’m even seeing more and more formerly Kool-Aid drinking journalists just throwing up their hands.


44 posted on 11/12/2013 7:29:36 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: riri

It won’t work. Then they pivot and blame it all on the insurance companies.


45 posted on 11/12/2013 7:30:13 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms....."e)
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To: Junk Silver

RE: Obama will veto this if comes anywhere near him, meanwhile all these Democrats will get to boast about their “courage” in voting for this bill.

Not good enough. A veto can be overridden with 2/3 majority in each house. I’d like to see if Dems have the “courage” to override Obama’s veto.


46 posted on 11/12/2013 7:31:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This cracks the armor of the entire forced upgrade/mandate BS.

Never underestimate the republicans ability to flub this.


47 posted on 11/12/2013 7:31:48 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Gator113

Saw a great analogy in an article, something like you may have to break a few eggs to make an omelet but just try and get the eggs back when it’s done.


48 posted on 11/12/2013 7:33:03 PM PST by Kenny
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To: JennysCool

Many of the poors, just want to collect their free money & benefits, and be left alone. They don’t want to hassle with providing a lot of information in trade for free healthcare. They already have it, in the form of going to ERs and urgent care clinics, etc.

When they realize the govt will use every piece of information to control their lives eventually, they’ll really be balking.


49 posted on 11/12/2013 7:35:20 PM PST by unsycophant
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep, and in the end this assholes still voted for this mess and people will still keep getting dropped. They are in trouble, and oh well.


50 posted on 11/12/2013 7:36:06 PM PST by snarkytart
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