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(Live Thread) Obama will allow insurance companies to extend current plans [Lie Thread]
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11/14/2013 | Lisa Mascaro

Posted on 11/14/2013 8:49:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

How in the hell, people, tell me. How in the hell can a president CHANGE a law without congress? Please tell what the frig is going on in this country? Is this guy a KING? Is this like a royal edict?

I am so sick of this worthless POS.


151 posted on 11/14/2013 9:57:46 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: sappy

Yeah...Ted Cruz was right wasn’t he. He was right also, and had great timing, to start the debate on this.

You hear that John ahole McCain...and The Jerks Cronyn and King...and don’t forget Chris Christie.


152 posted on 11/14/2013 9:59:20 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Artcore
Artcore, didn't you get the memo that states that the battle cry is NOT “dooooooooooooooooomed”, that winners don't cry out “dooooooooooooooooooooed” every time they hear something that puts fear in their hearts. Think positive thoughts and don't clutter your mind with negatives. Think in terms of what you CAN do to win this fight of our lives and DO IT! Join up with like minded people who believe as you do in the Constitution, our Liberty and Freedom. Do soldiers in battle just lay down on the ground and say “we're doomed” when the battle's not going their way? Take courage from your fellow FR’s who are fighters, and plug away in their quest to win this war of our lives.
153 posted on 11/14/2013 9:59:24 AM PST by itssme
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To: nikos1121

And where is the opposing party to challenge this in court?

Crickets, interrupted by words.

Saying it is illegal is not enough. The opposing leadership, Boehner and McConnell should be bringing suit to stop this as we speak.

I know McCain will go along with this, as will Graham. They like dictators that like them.


154 posted on 11/14/2013 10:00:22 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Batman11

Over the last 6+ months he has really began to show signs of physical/mental issues.


155 posted on 11/14/2013 10:00:36 AM PST by matt04
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To: Syncro
I just checked one of the PinkoCommieLib sites and they are having grand-Mal seizures over this.
They literally want a dictatorship now.

It might be a good time to stock up on some lead, copper, and brass hardware ....

156 posted on 11/14/2013 10:00:57 AM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Right Brother

Hoping Rush would ignore the speech for today?


157 posted on 11/14/2013 10:01:45 AM PST by matt04
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To: nikos1121; All

I wonder if the soon-to-be-anointed Jersey Fats thinks that this is a legal step for the President, and if the bombastic slab will boldly step forward with a court challenge.


158 posted on 11/14/2013 10:02:13 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: SeekAndFind
"The other reason it helps him is that it would shift some of the spotlight he’s melting under right now to the GOP, in daring them to oppose a little extra cash for the same canceled policy-holders they claim to sympathize so much with." Brad Dayspring @BDayspring Follow "FYI: "Administration Fix" to #ObamaCare postpones cancellations until after 2014 elections. Not even pretending to hide political motive." John Harwood ✔ @JohnJHarwood Follow "Insurance source: WH fix places "onus on us even tho they know we can't" effectively extend cancelled policies given rates/logistics probs" http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/14/open-thread-obama-to-make-statement-on-obamacare-at-1135-et/ Hate to admit it, but this was a brilliant move by The One. By postponing the cancellations until after the elections, he's taking all the pressure off the donks. Plus he's shifting the attention/pressure off of himself and onto the GOP and insurance companies. Most people won't understand that insurance companies can't renew cancelled policies at the snap of their fingers. So when the policies aren't renewed, people will switch their blame from The One to the companies. Looks like the Teflon Preezy may slip out of another one.
159 posted on 11/14/2013 10:02:57 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: pfflier
" He screwed it up so he could fix it then brag about how HE did it."

Yup, he'll blame the Congressional Dems, saying they wrote the bill badly, and now he has to fix it.

It's all about him, and even his buds in the Congress are going under his bus. (not that they don't richlydeserve it).

160 posted on 11/14/2013 10:05:08 AM PST by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: MisterI
obozo’s nervous and his voice and twitchy eye confirms this. We must continue to crush this cockroach, until we snuff the life out of its carcass, and return this country to the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom.
161 posted on 11/14/2013 10:08:24 AM PST by itssme
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To: CitizenM

Is anyone SCREAMING at the TV like me? What audacity this man has. I would like to try and take apart all of what he is saying...but it is so full of half-truths, outright lies, fake humility, fluff and stuff...that it is hard to tear it down. It is exasperating, infuriating and frustrating. The man is a master at double talk.


Thats all we can do is scream. The bastard has won again.


162 posted on 11/14/2013 10:09:56 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: SeekAndFind
I'M JUST TOO TALENTED TODO WHAT ORDINARY PEOPLE DO

PERIOD

163 posted on 11/14/2013 10:11:18 AM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - Iranian-born Valerie Jarrett)
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To: ilgipper

Exactly. “Obama will allow...?”

Doesn’t anybody else think this is a blood -curdling statement?


164 posted on 11/14/2013 10:12:45 AM PST by livius
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To: JudyinCanada

“And who is going to compensate the companies for all of the time and paper involved in this fiasco?”

For some thoughts on that, just look in the mirror. Ultimately we bear the cost.


165 posted on 11/14/2013 10:15:42 AM PST by Paulie
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To: SeekAndFind
Hummmm? When did the Executive Branch which is charged with the enforcement of laws get the authority to unilaterally overturn laws or portions of laws enacted by the Legislative Branch?
166 posted on 11/14/2013 10:18:59 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

Whenever the emperor decided it was empowered to do so.


167 posted on 11/14/2013 10:21:45 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So I worked and I bought something off the Free Market with my own money and The Blessed One All Mighty Obama has proclaimed that I can keep it!

Oh thank you blessed one, thank you, thank you.


168 posted on 11/14/2013 10:23:23 AM PST by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Was that a Freudian slip? The “Lie” (as opposed to LIVE) thread? LOL


169 posted on 11/14/2013 10:24:29 AM PST by madison10
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To: nikos1121

How in the hell, people, tell me. How in the hell can a president CHANGE a law without congress? Please tell what the frig is going on in this country? Is this guy a KING? Is this like a royal edict?


Where have you been? He is The One! He don’t need no steenkin congress.


170 posted on 11/14/2013 10:27:45 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: nikos1121

The democrats and the PACS would have already filed suit and shopped for a judge and an appellate judge.


171 posted on 11/14/2013 10:28:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Darksheare
Whenever the emperor decided it was empowered to do so.

IMHO, unless Congress acts quickly to rewrite the act that they passed, this is an impeachable action.

A POTUS can't pick and choose what laws he will enforce. He is bound by his oath to enforce them all.

Yes, I know I am being very naive in expecting that pack of pirates and parasites in Washington to actually respect the Constitution.

172 posted on 11/14/2013 10:34:48 AM PST by Ditto
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To: LachlanMinnesota

they won’t do didley because it will be construed that they’re against the middle class, the guy getting burned.

This is the Democrat’s bill. They sink with it.

Also, how in the hell can the insurance companies just extend the insurance....when they have to cover the ACA? Tell me?


173 posted on 11/14/2013 10:36:56 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: itssme

And, now is the time to chorus: “This is what Hillary wanted in 1993.”


174 posted on 11/14/2013 10:37:34 AM PST by polymuser
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To: LachlanMinnesota

they won’t do didley because it will be construed that they’re against the middle class, the guy getting burned.

This is the Democrat’s bill. They sink with it.

Also, how in the hell can the insurance companies just extend the insurance....when they have to cover the ACA? Tell me?


175 posted on 11/14/2013 10:45:50 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a brilliant move by obbbama, whether we want to admit it or not. He’s thrown the entire fiasco right back into the insurance companies laps. If the companies don’t reinstate the policies, he can point his finger at them and say,,,”see what meanies they are!!!” And if the GOP criticizes what he is now doing, he can say,,,”see? they didn’t really care that you lost your policies!” Been doing some quick surfing, and libs are absolutely ecstatic about his speech, saying that he has pulled victory from the jaws of defeat.


176 posted on 11/14/2013 10:58:16 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: SeekAndFind

He has just rewritten The Law of The Land by executive fiat.


177 posted on 11/14/2013 11:03:09 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

He tried, but not even Democrats are going to let him get away with that. He will be forced to sign legislation. This is going to get really interesting.


178 posted on 11/14/2013 11:05:51 AM PST by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: CityCenter

Agreed. As with Syria, this is all about desperately trying to avoid a humiliating vote that will trash his legacy.


179 posted on 11/14/2013 11:06:50 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nikos1121


Frauds


180 posted on 11/14/2013 11:19:28 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EEGator

Here’s the dictator dressed in green S&M garb... it’s about a third of the way into the video - maybe more. Doesn’t seem even mildly photo shopped... I’m guessing but it seems like the NSA might be getting even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2K5SIuK2E


181 posted on 11/14/2013 11:22:15 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: Paulie; JudyinCanada
Who's going to compensate the insurance company's for all the time/fiasco, etc?

...look in the mirror....

Pretty much.

The wealth tax that's built in to ACA will get passed down somehow/someway. And, there's a 3.5% ACA *fee* attached to every group policy the insurance company sells to your employer(s). The employer will also pass this fee on, or drop your group coverage, completely.

Here's the breakdown of this ACA *fee* to employers:

Fees which make up (currently) approximate +3.5% of premium:

· Comparative Effectiveness Research Fee
o Fee for conducting research to determine which of 2 or more treatments works best
o Applicable starting July 31, 2013
o Fee continues until 2019
o Fee is $1 per participant for plan years ending before 10/1/2013
o Fee is $2 per participant for plan years ending before 10/1/2014

· Health Insurance Industry Fee
o Fee for PPACA implementation
o Applicable in 2014
o Fee is considered permanent
o Fee is 2% to 2.5% of premium
o Expected to increase to 3% to 4% in future years

· Transitional Reinsurance Fee
o Fee for spreading of financial risk due to elimination of pre-existing provision
o Applicable from 2014 through 2016
o $63 fee per member in 2014
o $40-$45 per member in 2015
o $25-$30 per member in 2016

Multiply that by all the group plans in the nation, and the transitional fees by every employee on a group plan, across the country. They are/will be making a killing (no pun intended) on these policies and fees.

Most businesses are on a 1/1/14 renewal. 0 and insurance companies likely conspired together to back it up to 12/1/14 renewal, to kick that can down the road for another year...to protect them for 2014 elections.

182 posted on 11/14/2013 11:25:26 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: nikos1121

I agree. I don’t see how insurers can cover anything without raising premiums because of the mandates of Obamacare. They will try to blame the insurers.

However, the Republicans could and should file suit to have the Executive Order purporting to amend a statute is an unconstitutional usurpation of power, not authorized by the Constitution.

If this were to go to court and have a successful outcome, it would bring the end of Obamacare faster, In think.


183 posted on 11/14/2013 11:26:24 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: SeekAndFind

Right. Like all these insurance companies are going to jump at the chance to re-offer the same insurance to their high risk clients. The fact is, these dumped patients with preexisting conditions will ONLY be able to get Obamacare now.

And that was the plan all along.


184 posted on 11/14/2013 11:28:10 AM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Ditto

Yeah.
It was obvious where he was going when he decided not to enforce DOMA or immigration laws.
And congress merely yawned.

It’s not naïve to expect congress to do their jobs.
It is disgraceful that they don’t.


185 posted on 11/14/2013 11:45:56 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: tflabo
They will somehow try to shift all the blame on insurance companies.. wait and see.

0 bummer's speech was carried by our local station and basically I missed the first hour of Rush today. Did you catch the part when he said "When we came into office..." as if this is Bush's fault?

186 posted on 11/14/2013 12:19:41 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Darksheare
Prediction: With yet another change...one that really probably can't be implemented because the insurance companies cannot reinstate people on those exact policies that NO LONGER EXIST (they have spent 3 years rewriting the policies to comply with the ACA mandate). The result will be the collapse of Obamacare. No one will sign on to it; never knowing what other changes will come.

Also, with fewer enrollees it will be too expensive to help the needy. People who had insurance will buy whatever they can from the insurance company they once had and with which they were happy. Hoping for the best in the interim, and waiting until the insurance company can provide something better suited for their needs and closer to their original policies.Image and video hosting by TinyPic

187 posted on 11/14/2013 12:22:21 PM PST by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is ruling by decree now. I guess Boehner is ok with that.


188 posted on 11/14/2013 12:52:35 PM PST by RginTN
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To: rawhide

good question


189 posted on 11/14/2013 1:02:10 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama’s administrative fix doesn’t help anything. He’s trying to put the genie back in the bottle which only creates a bigger mess. It’s purely a CYA move intended to buy time and shift blame to the insurance companies. It is too late for the insurance companies to reinstate the cancelled plans, and it does absolutely nothing to alleviate the adverse selection bias on the exchanges that will eventually causes Obamacare to collapse.

Unfortunately before that collapse occurs, the sad fact is that it is now clear that a humanitarian catastrophe is going to occur in January when millions of innocent people find themselves uninsured because of Obamacare, and will experience tremendous emotional and financial hardship as a result.


190 posted on 11/14/2013 1:45:06 PM PST by JJHLH1
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To: tflabo

Ban Assault Insurance Now!...


191 posted on 11/14/2013 4:14:37 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

L O L!


192 posted on 11/14/2013 5:47:18 PM PST by 4Liberty (Mr President 'If you Like your college transcripts...can we see them?')
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To: itssme

I’m so disappointed. Americans used to know what to do to tyrants like Obama.


193 posted on 11/14/2013 6:28:33 PM PST by miserare (Fire Eric Holder!)
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To: miserare
Americans at one time had the courage and fortitude to take down their enemies. I pray that there are plans being made unbeknownst to us, to do just that. We the People must continue to do what we're doing, join forces with like minded people like the Tea Party Patriots, Oathkeepers, to name a few, listen DAILY to Mark Levin's radio program, www.marklevinshow.com, as well as also to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck (you can google for their websites and info on the times and radio stations they appear on daily)..these three men impart information, strategy and you will hear from their listeners, and this will give you hope and keep your current on what is happening in a clear language. I can't say enough about tuning in these great patriots. And remember, we have freedom fighters out there who are working behind the scenes to remove the socialist/communist/marxist infestation. We're Americans who love this country, the Constitution, our Freedom and Liberty, and I pray that we patriots continue to to fight this oppression with the fire in their bellies that our forefathers and patriots displayed in their fight in 1776. We're Americans, and we've won many a battle in wars past,until we WON the WAR. Keep the faith, dig your heels in and fight like hell with all you've got and we will win the day, so help us God!
194 posted on 11/14/2013 11:44:07 PM PST by itssme
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To: polymuser
I heard this talked about on Glenn Beck's radio show,and on Rush and Mark Levin's radio show. And it's up to us to repeat this chorus to everyone we know. Hillary has to be nailed with everything we've got...and there's plenty of material to nail her with. So many dots, so many roads connect to Hillary and socialism/communism/marxism, and the present socialist government in Washington. She's just another cockroach whose carcass we have to crush...and the fight goes on!
195 posted on 11/15/2013 12:05:46 AM PST by itssme
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe some DA in one of the states should attempt to prosecute an insurance company for extending someone’s plan (in violation of the ACA) because obama said they could. After all ACA is the law. If they use “obama said we could do it” as a defense the prosecutor can use the Constitution to destroy that defense.

Of that would only work if the Constitution mattered to democrats.


196 posted on 11/15/2013 3:51:48 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: max americana; All

I understand it to be an extention and re-coverage on your original plan for only 30 days...Enough time for the media to latch onto something else in the meantime...

They dont give a rip now...So whats the difference??? ;-)

Also, the meeting Obama has scheduled with the big insurance reps can only mean that he will be dictating policy and buying those asshats off with whatever discretionary fund they can scrape up at this time...

Why would it be about anything else???

The administrations palne is in a flaming nose dive and they are desparate to pull out of it...No matter the political cost...If they can spin this to eventually screw over and blame the big insurance companies, or even the republicans or Bush, all the better for them...they believe they can politically weather this storm for 2014...

The odds might very well be in their favor though...


197 posted on 11/15/2013 8:13:30 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Wiser now

“Replace???”

Really???

Are you saying you would like congress to fix this Tax law???

This ought to be good...


198 posted on 11/15/2013 8:15:57 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

Hell NO!!! Hehehe

No really, I swear im not trolling you...hehehe

You just happened to catch my attention again...

Later...no prob...


199 posted on 11/15/2013 8:22:12 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Let’s pray that there is one patriotic head of an insurance company who tells Obama off today.

Obama has put the companies in a liability situation—right now, they have no choice but to follow the law’s requirements BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND(caps are not directed to you—I just hate when they parrot that line).

The Emperor is naked—he cannot decree a change in the law, plus he publicly put the onus on the insurance companies to save his bacon, instead of his own Administration.

Why should the insurance compnaies play ball with him? Don’t they know that they have been shafted?

Plus, these companies are regulated by state insurance commissioners, some of which already have stated that the die is cast, n o changes come 1/1/14.

Pass the popcorn, this is going to get good.

BTW—call your reps in DC:

www.senate.gov

www.house.gov

Tell them why Obama cannot change a LAW on his own whim.

Tell them the smell in the air is the smell of impeachment, and a whole new slate of faces in Congress come January 2015.

They’ll understand that.


200 posted on 11/15/2013 8:23:06 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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