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Kay Hagan reaches for the panic button
Hotair ^ | 11/16/2013 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 11/16/2013 10:35:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind

We mentioned earlier this week how red state Democrat Senator Kay Hagan of North Carolina had watched as a previously slim but solid lead in the polls had evaporated of late. It seems that this was no momentary glitch in the numbers and the situation continues to deteriorate. The slide continued with what could only be described as a disastrous conference call with reporters, eager to pepper her with questions about her role in the development and launch of Obamacare, which even the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank saw as a ship taking on water.

Well, her problem begins with Obamacare, ends with Obamacare and has a whole lot of Obamacare in between.

Hagan hosted a conference call for reporters Tuesday morning to discuss the problems with the health-care law’s rollout, and the Q&A session was so painful that the senator should qualify for trauma coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

Hagan tried reciting some of the standard issue White House talking points to claw her way out of that one, but things only got worse when one of her spokeswomen followed up to try to clean up the mess. (From Big Government and the local paper the News & Record.)

“First, this is nothing more than a political stunt that does nothing to help more people get access to care and highlights the difference between Kay, who is working to fix this law, and her opponents who don’t have any plan to reform our broken health care system,” Hagan spokeswoman Sadie Weiner told the News and Record, a Greensboro, NC newspaper. “In her capacity as a member of the HELP Committee, Senator Hagan was involved with that committee’s markup of the health care reform bill in the summer of 2009.”

In the next sentence of the quote, Weiner states that her boss Hagan was aware of the fact that people would lose their healthcare plans under Obamacare some time ago.

“Once insurance companies began disingenuously offering plans that they knew they would be canceling it became clear that more people would be getting cancellation letters,” Weiner said.

Did you catch that one – two punch in those answers? Not only was her boss, Senator Hagan, an instrumental player in crafting the bill, but she was also aware that insurance companies were going to be cancelling policies as soon as it went into effect. It’s bad enough that the popularity of Obamacare in North Carolina is rapidly approaching that of a raging case of the crabs, but that sort of admission plants her firmly in the series of shifting denials and stories about precisely who knew what when.

If Kay Hagan, one of the busy bees working on the bill, was aware that many people who liked their policy would not, in fact, be able to keep it, how did the President not know? Did she not find it worth mentioning to him? And since the “you can’t keep that” effect is presumably hitting people in her own state, how does she square up not letting the voters in on this little secret before she voted for it? Either way, somebody has some explaining to do, and there is a pack of GOP challengers who are all very interested in that Senate seat who are more than happy to discuss the matter with her in the coming battle. I think we can put North Carolina in play as one of the six seats the GOP needs to pick up next year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: kayhagan; northcarolina; obamacare

1 posted on 11/16/2013 10:35:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s the cure:

http://gregbrannon.com/


2 posted on 11/16/2013 10:41:52 AM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

To blame an insurance company for cancelling a policy that has become illegal under the PACA is deceit and treachery of the worst kind.

While it is likely true none of the Senators and Congressman that voted for it actually KNEW what it contained, their very willful negligence in a matter of actual life or death is grounds for indictment, prosecution, judgment as guilty, and execution in a manner of their choosing according to the law. IOW, they deserve the Death Penalty.


3 posted on 11/16/2013 10:42:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

4 posted on 11/16/2013 10:45:50 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeekAndFind

““Once insurance companies began disingenuously offering plans that they knew they would be canceling it became clear that more people would be getting cancellation letters,” Weiner said.”

It would be interesting to know if that’s even the truth. My Medicare Advantage plan has been cancelled, but it’s been a relatively stable product for the EIGHT YEARS that I have had it.
BTW, I’ve just obtained much better insurance through AMAC, and the time their people took to enroll my wife and I was as professional as it could have been. Everybody needs to join AMAC. At Sixteen bucks a year, it’s a bargain!


5 posted on 11/16/2013 10:46:22 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Gaffer

But Kay’s website said - at least until a few days ago - that if you like your insurance you could keep it. Now her aid says that she knew all along
That the cancellations were coming. She’s toast!


6 posted on 11/16/2013 10:46:37 AM PST by wewereright
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To: SeekAndFind

Hopefully, she and her staff have ordered their packing boxes early.


7 posted on 11/16/2013 10:47:15 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Kay, if you like your job, you can’t keep it because you put your PARTY before your Constituents and your Country. Duh!


8 posted on 11/16/2013 10:48:44 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SeekAndFind

We need to reclaim our red states. NC should never have had such a horrible POS as Hagan elected and nor should it have such a weak swill POS like Burr. Both need to be replaced just like Graham in SC. We need to stop accepting weak Republicans and faux conservative Democrats in the South.


9 posted on 11/16/2013 10:49:33 AM PST by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Consumer fraud is a serious crime. Contact your state attorney general.


10 posted on 11/16/2013 10:50:41 AM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Once insurance companies began disingenuously offering plans that they knew they would be canceling it became clear that more people would be getting cancellation letters,” Weiner said.

It’s truly horrifying how much this sounds like Maduro in Venezuela criticizing the “greedy” appliance store owners.


11 posted on 11/16/2013 10:52:13 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: Maelstorm

I can’t still get over Kansas electing Sebelius.


12 posted on 11/16/2013 10:56:00 AM PST by txhurl
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To: txhurl

The problem is too many who lean conservative aren’t informed. I don’t know how many time I encounter people who actually wait for election ads and debates to decide who to vote for without ever looking at the records of the candidates themselves. That is the problem. I wish there was some easy way to remedy it.


13 posted on 11/16/2013 11:02:09 AM PST by Maelstorm (Obamacare is your healthcare on stupid.)
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To: Maelstorm
>> We need to reclaim our red states. <<

We need to reclaim language in this country and stop using terms like "immigration reform", "swift boating" and "red states" to mean what the liberal media wants them to mean. I will never refer to conservative states as "red"

14 posted on 11/16/2013 11:12:41 AM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

While the Democrats truly are in full panic mode, I have no doubt that the Republicans will bail them out. Yesterday’s passage of the Upton bill was step one in the process.


15 posted on 11/16/2013 11:20:47 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: ExTexasRedhead

The Republicans struggle with decent Senate candidates. Liddy Dole (Bob Dole’s wife), who Hagan beat, was a carpetbagger who used her mother’s address as her “residence”. Burr is extremely boring.

If Tillis (the establishment choice) is the candidate, Hagan will likely win reelection. She starts with the advantage of 95% of the black vote and 75% of the Hispanic vote. Add the liberal whites in Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill plus the young white women who will automatically vote gender when the teacher’s unions start running ads calling the Republican anti women and children. If the media is able to help her make women’s issues (i.e. abortion and contraception) the issue over which the campaign is fought, instead of Obamacare, Hagan will win against any Republican.

North Carolina is another reason why Republicans have to come up with an effective counter to the “war on women” campaign theme the Democrats employ so well.


16 posted on 11/16/2013 11:36:46 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At present, only 40% of Americans support ObamaCare. Which means that in Conservative states like North Carolina and Louisiana, the percentage of ObamaCare supporters must be considerably lower (30%?).

So how is a Democratic Senator running in a state with only 30% ObamaCare support supposed to win 51% of the vote next November?

However, even if a miracle happened and every Democratic Senator voted to repeal ObamaCare and override President Obama’s veto, the Democratic Senators running for re-election next year still couldn’t win because the 30% of loyal ObamaCare supporters in their states would be angry at them and stay home on election day.


17 posted on 11/16/2013 11:38:55 AM PST by Bluestocking
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To: SeekAndFind

Very few incumbent senators are easy to beat. It will take hard work and considerable $ to put conservative Republicans into these seats even with the Obamacare fiasco. You can be sure the Democrats will generally run from Obamacare during the election even though they voted in lockstep to pass it and absolutely refused to negotiate on it as little as a month ago. The Republican candidates, whoever they are, better hit Obamacare hard, but that’s not enough. We only win if we elect true conservatives. It won’t help if we put squishes in these six-year jobs, because they’ll simply sell us out as soon as they win.


18 posted on 11/16/2013 11:39:18 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Democrats. The only constitutional rights they believe in are sodomy and abortion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.):
“People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it.
We need to support the private insurance industry
so that people who have insurance they’re happy with
can keep it while also providing a backstop option
for people without access to affordable coverage.”
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(“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,”
National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)


19 posted on 11/16/2013 11:43:36 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think she should have obama come in and bolster her campaign.


20 posted on 11/16/2013 12:14:14 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Soul of the South; seekthetruth; MamaDearest; Nachum; Doogle; JLAGRAYFOX; flat; unkus; ZULU; ...

Republicans have a severe shortage of spine and guts. That is why I think we need to recruit strong military veterans who know what protecting and defending the Constitution and country mean. Definitely, unlike the Elitist, inside-the- Beltway, power-hungry, career politicians who want to get along with Liberals!!


21 posted on 11/16/2013 12:16:02 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SeekAndFind

Greg Brannon for senate

http://gregbrannon.com/


22 posted on 11/16/2013 12:36:08 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: vette6387

What is AMAC? $16 per year?


23 posted on 11/16/2013 1:33:06 PM PST by Rennes Templar (America needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It’s bad enough that the popularity of Obamacare in North Carolina is rapidly approaching that of a raging case of the crabs

Ha, ha. Now, that's funny. Best metaphor of the day!

24 posted on 11/16/2013 2:56:38 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. [Ludwig Von Mises])
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To: Maelstorm
We need to reclaim our red states. NC should never have had such a horrible POS as Hagan

Well, the red states need to be careful about developing things like Research Triangles and big universities then. Sure, they create gobs of jobs and wealth -- but they do tend to attract those blue types.

25 posted on 11/16/2013 2:59:22 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment. [Ludwig Von Mises])
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To: Rennes Templar

http://amac.us

They are a Seniors organization. Conservative in nature. And offer insurance, roadside assistance plans, etc.


26 posted on 11/16/2013 3:01:27 PM PST by upchuck (I can't stand people that don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're.' Their so stupid...)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Hey Kay, if you like your job, you can keep it. Period.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood that.

27 posted on 11/16/2013 3:12:31 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: JSDude1

I humbly would suggest that North Carolina Republicans avoid nominating a Paulbot with no record such as Brannon and instead nominate an experienced, proven conservative such as Speaker Thom Tillis. http://thomtillis.com/


28 posted on 11/16/2013 4:11:24 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I humbly suggest that status quo career politicians and consultants who don’t know conservatism from a hole in the ground, having foisting candidates such as Richard Burr or Liddy Dole upon us in the past, are not to be trusted. They’ll vote just like Kay Hagen given half the chance and political cover.


29 posted on 11/16/2013 4:17:34 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well, Thom Tillis first ran for office in 2006, after a long career in business, so he’s hardly a career politician. And with the conservative revolution he’s helped lead in NC since 2011, he’s no status quo guy.

And at least we know what Thom Tillis stands for. What do we know about Brannon, other than he’s a Ron Paul acolyte who talks conservative (although apparently a good part of his campaign was lifted outright from Rand Paul’s)?

And I would posit that one of the reasons why Liddy Dole was able to fool NC Republicans (including even Jesse Helms) into thinking she was one of them was that she had no real record at which one could look to prove or disprove her conservative bona fides. Tillis has cast hundreds of public votes during the past 7 years in the state house, so he can’t claim to be something that he’s not. Brannon is the cypher here, and we only have his word for what he claims.


30 posted on 11/16/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Rennes Templar

What is AMAC? $16 per year?

AMAC is the Conservative answer to AARP. It stands for The Association of Mature American Citizens. They are what AARP started out to be.

Go here, and read all about them:
http://amac.us/join-amac?gclid=CMbBh7Xz6roCFaN_QgodJ3EATw


31 posted on 11/16/2013 7:44:12 PM PST by vette6387
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To: SeekAndFind

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)


32 posted on 11/16/2013 7:57:55 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I’s suggest nominating someone who can WIN.

Currently Dr. Brannon is ahead of Mrs. Hagan by a couple of percentage points, and he’s a constitutional conservative.

Speaker Tillis is a couple of points behind Mrs. Hagan....


33 posted on 11/16/2013 8:15:24 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

You are referring, of course, to the poll recently released by NC Democrat Tom Jensen’s PPP. You know, the pollster who found that Todd Akin was ahead of McCaskill in MO *after* his rape remarks went viral, so as to convince Akin not to drop out. So we know who Democrats want to face in the general ....


34 posted on 11/16/2013 8:39:52 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I don’t really care who Democrats want to face the bottom line is Obamacare is going to sink many of them including Hagan.

I’d prefer a US Senator who reminds ME of Jesse Helms. I am not going to attack Mr. Tillis because you make some valid points, and I would hope that he would go to Washington (if he made it through the primary) with the same vigor as Rand Paul (who I guess you don’t like since you negatively referred to Mr. Brannon as a “Paul Bot”) or a Ted Cruz.

I want someone who I KNOW will stand up for our Constitutional rights.

Let me ask you one question have you ever even met either Mr. Brannon or Mr. Tillis? (Disclaimer I don’t know Mr. Tillis), but do know Mr. Brannon, and have heard him speak!


35 posted on 11/16/2013 9:12:27 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

I have not met either Mr. Tillis or Dr. Brannon. But I’ve never met Ron Paul, either, and that doesn’t mean that I don’t know that he’s a crazy anti-Semite who only claimed to be a Republican out of political convenience (heck, he quit the GOP *during the Reagan presidency*. I am extremely wary of an unknown quantity such as Brannon who chooses to align himself with L. Ron Paul’s cult.

As for Rand Paul, while he generally shies away from his father’s crazier positions (for example, Rand hasn’t come out in favor of legalizing heroin yet), neither has he criticized *anything* his father has ever said, and father and son claim that they agree on 95% of issues. Having the Paulistinians take over the GOP would set back the conservative cause by 20 years, and Rand Paul pretty much would be the last person I would like to see win the GOP presidential nomination in 2016.

Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is a 100% conservative with no ties to crazy hucksters and whom we can trust to defend our country against foreign enemies (unlike Rand Paul, who would wait for Iran to shoot a nuclear missile at us before doing anything). I think that Cruz would make a great president , and he’s certainly on my short list of those I’d like to see run in 2016. (Actually, I’d like to see Rand run for president in 2016, too, bit only so that he doesn’t run for reelection to the Senate and thus we can send him back to being a full-time ophthalmologist when we trounce him in the presidential primaries just like we did to his 0-100 father before him.)


36 posted on 11/16/2013 9:27:43 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

Branonn is a Paulite? Ugh.

So you think the anti-Tillis case is overblown?


37 posted on 11/16/2013 11:44:04 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy; AuH2ORepublican

I don’t know. From what I’ve heard of Tillis from some FReepers, he’s too much an establishment guy. At this point, we need someone who’s going to go to the Senate and knock over the furniture.


38 posted on 11/16/2013 11:53:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy

Well, I would argue that the NC House has knocked over quite a bit of furniture since Tillis became Speaker in 2011. And I don’t think that we need any additional Paulistinian furniture-knocking in Congress. So if it’s between Tillis and Brannon, there’s no doubt in my mind whom to support.


39 posted on 11/17/2013 6:43:51 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Let’s just hope that Tills campaign itself doesn’t insult people like his supporters do.

It’s ok to disagree with people on the issues, but to demean them (as “paulbots” etc..) IS NOT! Which is what you were doing trying to insult Mr. Brannon, rather than trying to WIN people to your POV. (remember elections are about building coalitions, not pushing people away..unless you are saying that Mr. Tillis doesn’t want Ron/Rand Paul type people to vote for him?)?


40 posted on 11/17/2013 12:31:29 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: Impy

Have you ever heard Mr. Brannon speak? (If you have an open mind, and not listen to AuH2ORepublican’s propaganda): Watch this, then tell me if you like Dr. Brannon!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKJ2_smGt5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMjq-7QqLLY

MAINSTREME Tea Party, if you ask me!


41 posted on 11/17/2013 12:35:19 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: JSDude1

If by “Ron Paul type people” you are referring to libertarians or to less-government conservatives, then *of course* those are voters whom we need to support the GOP nominee (something that Ron Paul himself rarely does). But if you mean people attracted to Ron Paul because of his anti-Semitic views, or due to his position to permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons, then, frankly, I’d rather have them stay away from the Republican Party lest they corrupt it with their dangerous and un-American views.

And if you read carefully, I mentioned “Paulbots” and “Paulistinians,” which, as the names imply, refer to persons who follow Ron Paul’s cult blindly (”Paulbots” comes from “robots” and “Paulistinians” is an allusion to Branch Davidians”) instead of thinking for themselves. Dr. Brannon appears to be such a Paulbot that he even plagiarizes Rand Paul’s speeches and websites (which is ironic, given how Rand Paul recently got into trouble for using other people’s words without attribution). People who belong to cults can’t be convinced to vote for a different conservative unless their leader tells them to do so, which is why Paulistinians voted third party or otherwise refused to vote for Republicans in the 2008 and 2012 elections, helping Obama and Senate Democrats secure victory.

So to conservatives and libertarians, my advice is to study carefully not only at the words, but also at the deeds, of Dr. Brannon and Mr. Tillis, becore deciding on one versus the other. While it is smart to judge people by the company they keep, being in elected office for the past 7 years does not make one a go-along-to-get-along RINO, and being beholden to Ron Paul’s organization is not, I would posit, a good thing.

But once the primary is over, I hope that all conservatives and libertarians come together and support the Republican nominee in order to vote out the execrable Kay Hagan. We’re better off with “the other Republican,” whose feet we can hold to the fire if he isn’t living up to his promises, instead of six more years of a 95% liberal.


42 posted on 11/17/2013 3:06:25 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what ma kes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

If by “Ron Paul type people” you are referring to libertarians or to less-government conservatives, then *of course* those are voters whom we need to support the GOP nominee (something that Ron Paul himself rarely does).

Well said, let’s not demonize each other, our goal is a smaller more conservative and constitutional based government.

And no I don’t support the anti-semites either, but I will ally with most Ron Paul followers that are libertarians/conservative/constitutionalists.


43 posted on 11/17/2013 5:48:33 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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