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White House working with insurers to bypass Healthcare.gov: WSJ
CNBC ^ | Published: Monday, 18 Nov 2013 | 3:18 PM ET

Posted on 11/18/2013 1:32:34 PM PST by Lazamataz

The White House said it is working with insurers to work around the distressed Healthcare.gov, reported The Wall Street Journal Monday.

The Obamacare website was launched on Oct. 1 and since then been scrutinized for various defects.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacare
I guess the website people came clean.

"Sir, not a chance in hell this thing works come December the 1st. Please consider your other options."

I'm coming to the conclusion that Obama is a SchaedenFraudster. :)

This is a nonstop Fusterclick©.

1 posted on 11/18/2013 1:32:34 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Travis McGee; Mr. K; Southack

The Energizer Website is... stillll going!


2 posted on 11/18/2013 1:33:18 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

#1: it means that they see their Nov 30 promise failing
#2: it means that the 0bamacare website was never needed in the first place
#3: it means that the Dems are growing more nervous each passing day


3 posted on 11/18/2013 1:35:15 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Lazamataz

It ceased being a problem with the website a month ago.

The ACA is a POS.


4 posted on 11/18/2013 1:36:10 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Lazamataz

So.

WH: Obamacare is still a god send to all, but the website is lousy.

Got it.


5 posted on 11/18/2013 1:37:24 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Lazamataz
Is anything he ever does legal?
6 posted on 11/18/2013 1:37:26 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: Southack
Go click the Fusterclick© link and see if you don't agree with my professional opinion*.

* (I have grown by orders of magnitude, professionally, since you knew me.)

7 posted on 11/18/2013 1:37:46 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Nope.

Not one single thing.

8 posted on 11/18/2013 1:38:23 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Where is all the money coming from? First, there’s a re-do of the failed website and now HHS is “working with insurers” to fashion an ad hoc system. All these workarounds cost real money. Where’s the funding coming from from? Or does the White Hut get to spend whatever it wants on whatever it wants?


9 posted on 11/18/2013 1:40:14 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Lazamataz

The government working with the insurance companies to work around the Obamacare web site means that the government is going to waive the fee that they are charging the insurance companies to use the site. That fee is passed to consumers in their premiums.

So, if the government waives the 3.75% fee do the consumers who do not use the web site get a commensurate deduction in premiums?


10 posted on 11/18/2013 1:41:08 PM PST by Eva
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To: Lazamataz

Oh, I could make their website work in 30 days for 300 million users.

I know how to use a smarter core architecture, though. They completely missed the trick. They built a website by committee, instead.

500 million lines of code?! 0bama and his minions are laughingstocks.


11 posted on 11/18/2013 1:41:10 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Lazamataz

And lest we forget, this is the EASIEST part of the Obamacare to initiate and run.


12 posted on 11/18/2013 1:44:28 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Southack
Well bro, I am here to tell you that it's a totally different animal when you are doing Federal websites. You'd be surprised -- amazed, actually, at how much slower things move. They move slower for a zillion regulatory reasons (Section 508 compliance for example), not the least of which is the enhanced security requirements.

Further, though I would be much slower than your 30 days, this would be an utterly extendable architecture, replete with Agile artifacts, and completely tested (load and otherwise). I'd come in probably 12 to 18 months ahead of schedule, too, but I'd want to reserve those months in case they shifted the sands on me.

13 posted on 11/18/2013 1:46:45 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Southack
I do agree with your laughter at the lines-of-code metric.

They even used PHP.

WHAT. WERE. THEY. THINKING.

14 posted on 11/18/2013 1:47:47 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Starboard

Where is all the money coming from?

During testimony, it was stated 110 million had been spent so far.

BTW, I’m sure the prez was hard at work at Andrews this past weekend.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 1:50:39 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Lazamataz

Very little data is actually required. Each user has to type in some personal info. Really, not that many keystrokes from the user.

The website has to display the appropriate policy options for that info. The user then picks one policy.

Everything else is a distraction from the above. The more distractions you avoid, the faster you can deploy and the more solid your code base will be.


16 posted on 11/18/2013 1:54:08 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Eva

Thing is, people are not going to spend hours going around to insurers websites.

It really is not going to happen. In fact, I will go as far to say they will not be going to healthcare.gov in droves, fixed or not.


17 posted on 11/18/2013 1:54:55 PM PST by dforest
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To: dforest



18 posted on 11/18/2013 1:56:42 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Visit http://icantenroll.com/ In Glitch We Trust....;o})
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To: Lazamataz
RICO violations galore and no one will make a peep.

King Barry is openly violating his oath of office and whoever cooperates with him in doing so becomes part of an ongoing criminal enterprise.

19 posted on 11/18/2013 1:58:11 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory)
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To: Lazamataz

translation: It ain’t gonna be fixed by Nov. 30.

Time to start issuing threats to Big Insurance.
Either they drop their collaboration with an out-of-control dictatorial regime, or we’ll all join up with the Libs and demand Single Payer, booting them out of the Executive Suite and into cashier jobs at Walmart.

Nothing to lose as we’re gonna get Single Payer anyway if this is not stopped.


20 posted on 11/18/2013 2:05:15 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lazamataz

Yeah, I understand the HealthCare.gov is going to have a scratch and sniff feature by January 1st.


21 posted on 11/18/2013 2:06:26 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Obama is a proven liar, an admitted liar, an unrepentent liar.)
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To: Lazamataz

So .. the President is working with people to SKIRT THE LAW .. isn’t that “aiding and abeting” on the insurance carrier’s part ..??

Or .. I guess it could be “fraud”, or possibly aiding and abeting on the President’s part ..??

WOW! These people are truly more lawless than I’ve seen since the Clinton admin.


22 posted on 11/18/2013 2:07:44 PM PST by CyberAnt (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: maine yankee

Aside from the question of where all the new money is coming from (to do remedial work), if the insurers are going to essentially run the website how can the government allow them and get access to sensitive personal information?

Obamacare is a monumental train wreck.


23 posted on 11/18/2013 2:12:04 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Lazamataz

Non-functional website cost... are we over a billion yet?


24 posted on 11/18/2013 2:14:21 PM PST by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Lazamataz
Where are the Democrats with "IT'S THE LAW!!"

It's no mystery that IMMEDIATELY AFTER Barry met with Democrats in a secret meeting, JOB ONE is to get as much of the nasty stuff pushed PAST THE 2014 MIDTERMS to minimize 0bamacare's damage to Democrat campaigns.

25 posted on 11/18/2013 2:18:50 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We’ve pretty much gotten to the point where the left accepts the premise that Obama’s word is law.


26 posted on 11/18/2013 2:21:38 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Southack

Your #2 cannot be right — the Obamacare web site must be essential. The model they’re using is a direct marketing insurance product distribution model, meaning the web site is critical. It is critical for educating the insurance customers, leading them to product decisions (essential in establishing an insurance contract, or any contract, and gathering the customer enrollment data needed to) build the contact documents between the insurer and the insured.

Totally agree with your #1 and #3 assessments — November 30 is toast, and the Obamacare party is very nervous.

Trying to switch from a direct marketing model to an agency model for insurance product distribution will be fatal. Agency model is labor intensive (major medical insurers will need to dramatically and rapidly increase staffing) and it is not amenable to sharing data about the plans of competitors. The Government would need to share subsidy calculation tables with the insurance companies to avoid the use of the Obamacare web site to perform the subsidy-calculation function (probably one of the factors that led the government to some of the site design attributes — there was apparent need to keep the subsidy information very protected information).

The techies working on the site must be telling them that (a) your legacy, backend databases are your limiting factors for peak capacity and data integrity, and (b) the real fix is months-to-years away, for them to entertain switching to an agency model of product distribution.

My two cents.


27 posted on 11/18/2013 2:43:02 PM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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To: Starboard

Where’s the funding coming from from? Or does the White Hut get to spend whatever it wants on whatever it wants?


I suspect it’s a combination of diverting funds and blackmailing the insurance companies for free (to the administration) labor and resources.


28 posted on 11/18/2013 2:43:38 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lazamataz

This is real, I just tried it (type in a semi-colon in the search box).

BWAHHHAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA !!!

29 posted on 11/18/2013 2:44:25 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Starboard
Where is all the money coming from?

Let me tell you about a place called Ben & Janet's....

30 posted on 11/18/2013 2:44:40 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: the Original Dan Vik

They hired 635,000 clerks for the census.

I can’t believe a half million clerks with Obamaphones and office equipment couldn’t do the job.

Think of the upside for employment stats, too.


31 posted on 11/18/2013 2:46:35 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone you see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: nascarnation

Insurance agents have to be hired, trained and licensed. State laws. Even The One cannot waive that.

They also have to pass a licensing exam in order to get the license. There have to be enough trainers to teach the licensing class. There have to be enough facilities to hold the classes in.

The supply chain for 200,000 trained, licensed agents would take months-to-years.


32 posted on 11/18/2013 2:50:36 PM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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To: Lazamataz
These are very scary times. A sitting president has never asked a major U.S. corporation, much less several, to intentionally violate federal law, until now.


Stand for Freedom!
33 posted on 11/18/2013 3:03:14 PM PST by JJHLH1
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To: SecondAmendment; Southack; Travis McGee; BuckeyeTexan; GeorgiaDawg32; Mr. K; FreedomPoster; ...
Wow.

Follow my post up, and check this out.

They aren't even doing a basic SQL scrub.

I could, right this second, cause them to drop all their tables.

LOL!

34 posted on 11/18/2013 3:05:02 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

I saw the prices and I’m not visiting any insurance site.


35 posted on 11/18/2013 3:07:18 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: nascarnation

The Census waits to receive their first set of replies via the mail.

They know where people live and fill in the blanks with these workers going door to door.

The Feds have little idea where to find the uninsured in a way that they could effectively sign people up in less than a 6 months to a year. They just don’t have the time to catch these moving targets.

There only shot was to entice them in with free stuff. They have failed, if it was ever possible for them to succeed anyway.


36 posted on 11/18/2013 3:28:50 PM PST by GEC (Obamacare is the #MostEpicFailEver)
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To: SecondAmendment; Southack; Travis McGee; BuckeyeTexan; GeorgiaDawg32; Mr. K; FreedomPoster
I'm going to back off my assertion. They HAVE to be doing a SQL scrub. They just HAVE to be! That's HIGH SCHOOL stuff.

Because if they are not, every single person who has ever signed up has now got all their information -- including banking, if they signed up -- in Russia, China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Indonesia, and so on.

Why the search box is showing SQL commands is incomprehensible to me, in sheer incompetance, but NO ONE would put together a system without SQL scrubbing.

If they have, this marks the absolute end of the Obama adminstration. He will be hounded out of office... by the most liberal democrats as well as our side.

37 posted on 11/18/2013 3:52:09 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: dforest

The fewer people who sign up, the better, as far as I’m concerned. The longer this drags out the more the voters will find out about what is in the Obamacare bill and how they are paying more for things that they don’t really want.

The big problem with Obamacare pricing is that they are trying to use it as an affirmative action bill on top of a health insurance program. Included in the legislation is money to pay for college, training programs (certificate programs) and high school programs to prepare racial and ehtnic minorities to work in the health care industry. There is money for parks, jogging trails and gardens in depressed urban areas and on reservations. I could go on and on, but you get the idea. The Obamacare premiums are not buying just health insurance.


38 posted on 11/18/2013 3:52:25 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
So, if the government waives the 3.75% fee do the consumers who do not use the web site get a commensurate deduction in premiums?

Not likely. The job of the web site still needs to be done by someone or something. The Web site would be the cheapest way to give the customer all the relevant options. It would be a self-service site. However now insurers need to find people to answer phones - and those cannot be random people off the street, they need to be sales people with knowledge of the industry and of the specific products that this insurer offers. The insurers will need to round up all retired sales workers, probably. If anything, this "solution" would cost 10x more.

39 posted on 11/18/2013 3:59:48 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Concur with your cost estimate — agency model would cost 30%-35% of sales. However, the ineffective part of the agency model is that the last thing their target demographic — 20 somethings — likes to do is pick up a phone and speak with anyone...at all...even their best friends.

That it’s even under consideration speaks to desperation.


40 posted on 11/18/2013 4:13:30 PM PST by the Original Dan Vik ("Men don't follow titles, they follow courage." -William Wallace in Braveheart, 1995)
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To: Eva

This bill would die if people just don’t sign up. Believe me, it would be dead.

No stupid sheeple paying super high prices, they can’t pay to please the greedy who sign up.


41 posted on 11/18/2013 4:41:06 PM PST by dforest
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To: tobyhill

Neither are we. We were fine until this.


42 posted on 11/18/2013 5:01:45 PM PST by dforest
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To: Lazamataz

I saw that elsewhere earlier today. Complete idiot rookies.


43 posted on 11/18/2013 5:08:29 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dforest
Obamacare is fundamentally flawed, which is why he and the Democrats lied to get is passed.

The central premise of ACA is that young healthy people will sign up in sufficient numbers for expensive policies that they do not want and do not need in order to create a deep enough risk pool to support the elderly, preexisting conditions, and subsidized poor — and that is simply not going to happen.


Cruz 2016
44 posted on 11/18/2013 5:17:32 PM PST by JJHLH1
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To: Lazamataz

what nonsense

the Obama meme remains fixed in the erroneous position that all that is wrong is in the mechanisms of the “roll out” and not in the cancellations and premium rate shock that has nothing to do with that issue


45 posted on 11/18/2013 5:44:30 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Southack
#2: it means that the 0bamacare website was never needed in the first place

This is true. Obamacare rules apply to ALL insurance, regardless of where one goes to get it.

46 posted on 11/18/2013 5:49:39 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

BHO can’t go a day without breaking many laws.


47 posted on 11/18/2013 7:48:22 PM PST by opres
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To: SecondAmendment

Almost a billion dollars for that! Can we impeach that POS Hussein? Show some balls Boehner.


48 posted on 11/18/2013 7:50:28 PM PST by opres
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To: SecondAmendment

The word “secure” is not something I would use to describe said website. “select * from users” in the public search box.!?


49 posted on 11/18/2013 10:02:22 PM PST by matt04
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