Skip to comments.White House working with insurers to bypass Healthcare.gov: WSJ
Posted on 11/18/2013 1:32:34 PM PST by Lazamataz
The White House said it is working with insurers to work around the distressed Healthcare.gov, reported The Wall Street Journal Monday.
The Obamacare website was launched on Oct. 1 and since then been scrutinized for various defects.
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"Sir, not a chance in hell this thing works come December the 1st. Please consider your other options."
I'm coming to the conclusion that Obama is a SchaedenFraudster. :)
This is a nonstop Fusterclick©.
The Energizer Website is... stillll going!
#1: it means that they see their Nov 30 promise failing
#2: it means that the 0bamacare website was never needed in the first place
#3: it means that the Dems are growing more nervous each passing day
It ceased being a problem with the website a month ago.
The ACA is a POS.
WH: Obamacare is still a god send to all, but the website is lousy.
* (I have grown by orders of magnitude, professionally, since you knew me.)
Not one single thing.
Where is all the money coming from? First, there’s a re-do of the failed website and now HHS is “working with insurers” to fashion an ad hoc system. All these workarounds cost real money. Where’s the funding coming from from? Or does the White Hut get to spend whatever it wants on whatever it wants?
The government working with the insurance companies to work around the Obamacare web site means that the government is going to waive the fee that they are charging the insurance companies to use the site. That fee is passed to consumers in their premiums.
So, if the government waives the 3.75% fee do the consumers who do not use the web site get a commensurate deduction in premiums?
Oh, I could make their website work in 30 days for 300 million users.
I know how to use a smarter core architecture, though. They completely missed the trick. They built a website by committee, instead.
500 million lines of code?! 0bama and his minions are laughingstocks.
And lest we forget, this is the EASIEST part of the Obamacare to initiate and run.
Further, though I would be much slower than your 30 days, this would be an utterly extendable architecture, replete with Agile artifacts, and completely tested (load and otherwise). I'd come in probably 12 to 18 months ahead of schedule, too, but I'd want to reserve those months in case they shifted the sands on me.
They even used PHP.
WHAT. WERE. THEY. THINKING.
Where is all the money coming from?
During testimony, it was stated 110 million had been spent so far.
BTW, I’m sure the prez was hard at work at Andrews this past weekend.
Very little data is actually required. Each user has to type in some personal info. Really, not that many keystrokes from the user.
The website has to display the appropriate policy options for that info. The user then picks one policy.
Everything else is a distraction from the above. The more distractions you avoid, the faster you can deploy and the more solid your code base will be.
Thing is, people are not going to spend hours going around to insurers websites.
It really is not going to happen. In fact, I will go as far to say they will not be going to healthcare.gov in droves, fixed or not.
King Barry is openly violating his oath of office and whoever cooperates with him in doing so becomes part of an ongoing criminal enterprise.
translation: It ain’t gonna be fixed by Nov. 30.
Time to start issuing threats to Big Insurance.
Either they drop their collaboration with an out-of-control dictatorial regime, or we’ll all join up with the Libs and demand Single Payer, booting them out of the Executive Suite and into cashier jobs at Walmart.
Nothing to lose as we’re gonna get Single Payer anyway if this is not stopped.
Yeah, I understand the HealthCare.gov is going to have a scratch and sniff feature by January 1st.
So .. the President is working with people to SKIRT THE LAW .. isn’t that “aiding and abeting” on the insurance carrier’s part ..??
Or .. I guess it could be “fraud”, or possibly aiding and abeting on the President’s part ..??
WOW! These people are truly more lawless than I’ve seen since the Clinton admin.
Aside from the question of where all the new money is coming from (to do remedial work), if the insurers are going to essentially run the website how can the government allow them and get access to sensitive personal information?
Obamacare is a monumental train wreck.
Non-functional website cost... are we over a billion yet?
It's no mystery that IMMEDIATELY AFTER Barry met with Democrats in a secret meeting, JOB ONE is to get as much of the nasty stuff pushed PAST THE 2014 MIDTERMS to minimize 0bamacare's damage to Democrat campaigns.
We’ve pretty much gotten to the point where the left accepts the premise that Obama’s word is law.
Your #2 cannot be right the Obamacare web site must be essential. The model theyre using is a direct marketing insurance product distribution model, meaning the web site is critical. It is critical for educating the insurance customers, leading them to product decisions (essential in establishing an insurance contract, or any contract, and gathering the customer enrollment data needed to) build the contact documents between the insurer and the insured.
Totally agree with your #1 and #3 assessments November 30 is toast, and the Obamacare party is very nervous.
Trying to switch from a direct marketing model to an agency model for insurance product distribution will be fatal. Agency model is labor intensive (major medical insurers will need to dramatically and rapidly increase staffing) and it is not amenable to sharing data about the plans of competitors. The Government would need to share subsidy calculation tables with the insurance companies to avoid the use of the Obamacare web site to perform the subsidy-calculation function (probably one of the factors that led the government to some of the site design attributes there was apparent need to keep the subsidy information very protected information).
The techies working on the site must be telling them that (a) your legacy, backend databases are your limiting factors for peak capacity and data integrity, and (b) the real fix is months-to-years away, for them to entertain switching to an agency model of product distribution.
My two cents.
Wheres the funding coming from from? Or does the White Hut get to spend whatever it wants on whatever it wants?
I suspect it’s a combination of diverting funds and blackmailing the insurance companies for free (to the administration) labor and resources.
This is real, I just tried it (type in a semi-colon in the search box).
BWAHHHAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAA !!!
Let me tell you about a place called Ben & Janet's....
They hired 635,000 clerks for the census.
I can’t believe a half million clerks with Obamaphones and office equipment couldn’t do the job.
Think of the upside for employment stats, too.
Insurance agents have to be hired, trained and licensed. State laws. Even The One cannot waive that.
They also have to pass a licensing exam in order to get the license. There have to be enough trainers to teach the licensing class. There have to be enough facilities to hold the classes in.
The supply chain for 200,000 trained, licensed agents would take months-to-years.
Follow my post up, and check this out.
They aren't even doing a basic SQL scrub.
I could, right this second, cause them to drop all their tables.
I saw the prices and I’m not visiting any insurance site.
The Census waits to receive their first set of replies via the mail.
They know where people live and fill in the blanks with these workers going door to door.
The Feds have little idea where to find the uninsured in a way that they could effectively sign people up in less than a 6 months to a year. They just don’t have the time to catch these moving targets.
There only shot was to entice them in with free stuff. They have failed, if it was ever possible for them to succeed anyway.
Because if they are not, every single person who has ever signed up has now got all their information -- including banking, if they signed up -- in Russia, China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Indonesia, and so on.
Why the search box is showing SQL commands is incomprehensible to me, in sheer incompetance, but NO ONE would put together a system without SQL scrubbing.
If they have, this marks the absolute end of the Obama adminstration. He will be hounded out of office... by the most liberal democrats as well as our side.
The fewer people who sign up, the better, as far as I’m concerned. The longer this drags out the more the voters will find out about what is in the Obamacare bill and how they are paying more for things that they don’t really want.
The big problem with Obamacare pricing is that they are trying to use it as an affirmative action bill on top of a health insurance program. Included in the legislation is money to pay for college, training programs (certificate programs) and high school programs to prepare racial and ehtnic minorities to work in the health care industry. There is money for parks, jogging trails and gardens in depressed urban areas and on reservations. I could go on and on, but you get the idea. The Obamacare premiums are not buying just health insurance.
Not likely. The job of the web site still needs to be done by someone or something. The Web site would be the cheapest way to give the customer all the relevant options. It would be a self-service site. However now insurers need to find people to answer phones - and those cannot be random people off the street, they need to be sales people with knowledge of the industry and of the specific products that this insurer offers. The insurers will need to round up all retired sales workers, probably. If anything, this "solution" would cost 10x more.
Concur with your cost estimate — agency model would cost 30%-35% of sales. However, the ineffective part of the agency model is that the last thing their target demographic — 20 somethings — likes to do is pick up a phone and speak with anyone...at all...even their best friends.
That it’s even under consideration speaks to desperation.
This bill would die if people just don’t sign up. Believe me, it would be dead.
No stupid sheeple paying super high prices, they can’t pay to please the greedy who sign up.
Neither are we. We were fine until this.
I saw that elsewhere earlier today. Complete idiot rookies.
the Obama meme remains fixed in the erroneous position that all that is wrong is in the mechanisms of the “roll out” and not in the cancellations and premium rate shock that has nothing to do with that issue
This is true. Obamacare rules apply to ALL insurance, regardless of where one goes to get it.
BHO can’t go a day without breaking many laws.
Almost a billion dollars for that! Can we impeach that POS Hussein? Show some balls Boehner.
The word “secure” is not something I would use to describe said website. “select * from users” in the public search box.!?