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The Obamacare Crisis
The New York Times ^ | November 19, 2013 | Thomas B. Edsall

Posted on 11/19/2013 8:40:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: steve86

LOL.
Yep.


21 posted on 11/19/2013 9:07:20 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: matthew fuller

Check Drudges top headliners —upper left. Incompetence piled upon stupidity mixed with fraud served on a layer of crap.

Dems will be soon changing the name of the party after they vote to repeal.
I’m very serious.


22 posted on 11/19/2013 9:19:45 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The question isn’t the competancy of the government to run a website, the question is the morality, legality, and constitutionality of the government taking over a vast swath of private industry and effectively socializing it through what amounts to an existence tax. I urge everyone not to get sucked into this rediculous meme.


23 posted on 11/19/2013 9:21:24 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: chiller

60% of website yet to be built ?
Your poster case was fraudulent ?
You fixed the unemployment numbers before re-election ?
ValJar has usurped SecState Kerry ? (well..that ones not so bad)

There may be a public hanging but it’ll be dems trying to save themselves. But I forget, it was always dems like Speaker Robert Byrd who did the cross burning.

I so enjoy seeing these POS getting their due.


24 posted on 11/19/2013 9:31:29 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A very revealing commentary.

From the outset and throughout, Edsall and his sources candidly admit that the objective of Obamacare all along has been "redistributive".

Not better healthcare, not less expensive healthcare, not even broader healthcare. But redistribution of assets -- from the wealthy and the middle class to the poor.

At no point does he venture to defend this objective. He does not address how and why this might be a good thing. There is no allusion to any national benefit or visionary purpose. Just an admission that Obamacare is a redistributive scheme and that is how it has been perceived and designed from the very beginning.

Apparently, then, Obamacare is nothing more than a method whereby the rich and the middle class are punished so as to reward the poor -- and, thus, gain more votes for Democrats.

Forget all the high-sounding propaganda. At bottom, Obamacare was designed to buy votes.

Read the entire article and tell me if any other conclusion can be drawn...

25 posted on 11/19/2013 9:32:54 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: immadashell
Next they'll be telling me Thomas B. Edsall is a card carrying member of the Tea Party.

Have you read the entire article? This is a hit piece against the GOP and "white people" and a defense of Obamacare and its good intentions. The only real concern is the political impact and how it can be managed. How does the following from the article strike you?

In addition, the Affordable Care Act can be construed as a transfer of benefits from Medicare, which serves an overwhelmingly white population of the elderly – 77 percent of recipients are white — to Obamacare, which will serve a population that is 54.7 percent minority. Over 10 years, the Affordable Care Act cuts $455 billion from the Medicare budget in order to help pay for Obamacare.

Those who think that a critical mass of white voters has moved past its resistance to programs shifting tax dollars and other resources from the middle class to poorer minorities merely need to look at the election of 2010, which demonstrated how readily this resistance can be used politically. The passage of the A.C.A. that year forced such issues to the fore, and Republicans swept the House and state houses across the country. The program’s current difficulties have the clear potential to replay events of 2010 in 2014 and possibly 2016.

Most of the benefits of the new program will go to the poor and less-well-off and most of the costs will be born by the well off. Neither is true of Medicare or Social Security. When the new law was passed it was hailed by the New York Times as the most redistributive policy in a generation, and they were right. It was not sold as being markedly redistributive, of course, but that is how it was designed and will operate. This does not mean it is a bad policy or doomed to fail. But it does mean that it was bound to be caught up in controversy and heated debate.”

26 posted on 11/19/2013 9:42:41 PM PST by kabar
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To: Kevmo

27 posted on 11/19/2013 9:42:49 PM PST by LALALAW (one of the asses who's sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: Kevmo
If the New York Slimes is publishing something that questions Obamacare and guvmint solutions in particular,

It doesn't do either.

28 posted on 11/19/2013 9:44:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What is really kind of funny is that all of the progresso-lefty-dems have been panting after a leader as in "the one we have been waiting for."

They needed someone who would put all the marxist ideas front and center where they could cram it down our throats while they "fundamentally transform" our entire nation.

They have placed all of their eggs in Obama's basket. They are stuck with him. They can't exit the bus. They will have to ride him all the way to hell.

Is Obama really the best they could do?

29 posted on 11/19/2013 9:46:50 PM PST by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: okie01
Apparently, then, Obamacare is nothing more than a method whereby the rich and the middle class are punished so as to reward the poor -- and, thus, gain more votes for Democrats.

The white rich and middle class...

30 posted on 11/19/2013 9:47:02 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

It doesn’t do either.
***Sure it does. 2nd sentence of the article:

The mismanagement of the website HealthCare.gov and the cancellation of millions of policies pushes an underlying question out into the open: is the federal government capable of managing the provision of a fundamental service through an extraordinarily complex system?


31 posted on 11/19/2013 9:49:54 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
is the federal government capable of managing the provision of a fundamental service through an extraordinarily complex system?

F'in idiots are just NOW asking themselves that question.

32 posted on 11/19/2013 9:54:56 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: okie01

“Forget all the high-sounding propaganda. At bottom, Obamacare was designed to buy votes. “

Without a doubt. I do remember Rush warning about this from the beginning.


33 posted on 11/19/2013 9:55:30 PM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Kevmo

Read the entire article and you will see how the author answers that question.


34 posted on 11/19/2013 10:08:59 PM PST by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Health care as a necessity comes only after food, shelter and income security.”

Interesting start of the article.

How do we get food? From the private sector.

How do we get shelter? From the private sector.

How do we get income security? From the private sector.

Sure the government gives what should be a small fraction of people access to privately produced food and shelter and provides some income security. But if health care comes AFTER these goods that the private sector produces, why would we not want to keep health care and health insurance private, but have the government help some hopefully small fraction of people with health care?

The government does not mandate food or shelter, why health insurance? Odd the writer of the piece did not think about that first sentence.


35 posted on 11/19/2013 10:11:36 PM PST by JLS
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To: kabar

No thanks. I can’t get the smell out of my soul when I visit the New York Slimes. That the author even ASKS the question is a good enough sign for me.


36 posted on 11/19/2013 10:14:32 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Read my post #26 to get a flavor of the article, which is really all about his concern on how the Dems can manage the political impact of Obamacare. He takes no real issue with the policy itself, which he readily admits is redistributive.


37 posted on 11/19/2013 10:23:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

So, the Slimes asks the question. The Slimes calls it redistributive.

Good enough for me. That’s handwriting on the wall, as far as I’m concerned.

Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin


38 posted on 11/19/2013 10:27:44 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: onyx

That’s a great graphic!


39 posted on 11/19/2013 11:01:43 PM PST by jocon307
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40 posted on 11/19/2013 11:05:39 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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