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Texas drivers get asked for saliva, blood at police roadblock
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Posted on 11/20/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood. It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers. "It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.

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To: Red in Blue PA

Just another way the federalies are getting American’s used to be “frisked”, in public. First frisked in airports, now being pulled over to give blood and saliva, in public. What next? Need to rid this country of these bullies in our government. If they want to frisk anyone, why don’t they start in Dearborn, MI where we have a bunch of jihadists? (living in public housing, yet)


41 posted on 11/20/2013 7:20:52 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Obadiah

As a retired LEO the only response is Am I being detained? Following their mumbling response with, am I free to go?

Cops don’t like being told no, but even worse is a citizen who reminds them of their constitutional authority. A lot of evidence is collected from complaint citizens. Cops need documentable probable cause to conduct these seizures and they know it.

I expect their collection process includes a signed waiver of your rights.

Your call if you want to cooperation, but suggest you turn on the video camera on your phone. Cops hate to have their actions recorded.


42 posted on 11/20/2013 7:24:13 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A good woman brings out the best in a good man! A better woman might be just what this nation needs)
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Betcha there is something else BIO in the wild and they’re trying to locate it, isolate it with this “survey” as the cover story.


43 posted on 11/20/2013 7:26:23 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: jsanders2001
"Taking of DNA samples is a search and should require probable cause."

I believe it also requires a search warrant, but then again, I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

44 posted on 11/20/2013 7:26:38 AM PST by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the indian tribes)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Their mistake was saying they were testing for alcohol. Limit it to illegal drugs and few people would care.


45 posted on 11/20/2013 7:31:08 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Dustoff45
Your call if you want to cooperation, but suggest you turn on the video camera on your phone. Cops hate to have their actions recorded.

Doesn't that seem to provoke even more bizarre behavior by the LEO's and put you at risk of further abusive behavior? Just asking. Would like your perspective as a retired LEO.

46 posted on 11/20/2013 7:32:20 AM PST by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Wolfie
Alcohol or drugs, no matter. It is a Constitutional violation to stop someone without probable cause and it is a more egregious Constitutional violation to obtain a breath, saliva, or blood from a US citizen!

What have we become? What are we allowing. Drugs or not, everyone ought to care!

47 posted on 11/20/2013 7:37:19 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Maybe they’re incorporated? There’s a small area near Richardson that is incorporated. Richardson doesn’t sell alcohol, but the incorporated area called Buckingham does. Opposite of your situation.


48 posted on 11/20/2013 7:38:40 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Dustoff45

I certainly see your point, but I think things start to go south when a citizen starts videotaping, although it shouldn’t. But, in a court of law we all understand what occurs, judges are almost universally predisposed to believe the LEO regardless, so video taping the incident, regrettably, is your only viable protection.


49 posted on 11/20/2013 7:40:55 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Or English in parts of Miami. :-)


50 posted on 11/20/2013 7:46:09 AM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Another reason NOT to support Rick Perry for president.


51 posted on 11/20/2013 7:55:33 AM PST by Aglooka (Just another day in the USSA.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Federal government. Out of control. Most Americans hate it.

When the REPUBLICAN party starts representing itself as THE party that will cut and reduce Federal invasion and intrusion on individual rights, it will start winning.

52 posted on 11/20/2013 8:31:13 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: left that other site

It’s all about conditioning, no other reasons. TSA at bus stops and train stations. Border patrol with checkpoints 100 miles inland from the border. Warrantless searches following the Boston bombing and barely a peep from the people affected. They have a plan, and it is working.


53 posted on 11/20/2013 9:09:27 AM PST by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: voicereason

I agree.


54 posted on 11/20/2013 9:21:54 AM PST by left that other site (.)
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To: OB1kNOb

On the flip side, if the LEO decides to beat/abuse you anyway, would you rather it be you-said-he-said or he-said-the-video-recorded?

You, the victim, are not responsible for your abusers actions.

Recording the incident does not make you responsible.

The government employee has responsibility for his own behavior.


55 posted on 11/20/2013 10:21:01 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I wasn’t suggesting to not video the encounter, I just wanted to hear a retired LEO’s perspective on the matter as far as it causing an escalation of the situation on the LEO’s part.


56 posted on 11/20/2013 11:52:11 AM PST by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Obadiah

That is an interesting question in this context.

I am trying to imagine this situation.

You are ordered into a parking lot....then what. Ordered out of your car? Ordered to breathe into a breathalyzer, then ordered to submit saliva, and then blood?

So where in any of this is probable cause? I am somewhat understanding of a checkpoint where you roll down your window...most people who have had a couple of drinks, reek of alcohol...it’s unmistakable. So the question of: have you been drinking, is really a trick since they are asking a question they already know the answer to.

But in this case, where is the probable cause for a field sobriety test that is this invasive? If you cannot smell it on my person, then why would one need to submit samples like this?

In most places, I would assume, that refusal of a field sobriety test is the equivalent of an admission of guilt, and your license is suspended immediately and the maximum penalty is meted out at your court date.


57 posted on 11/20/2013 4:37:46 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: al_c
Statewide prohibition was only repealed in the 1960s, over 30 years after Federal prohibition ended. Thirty years ago, the map would have been mostly white. The main prohibition holdouts at that time were counties where people of German, Czech, and Mexican ancestry were the majority. (They will have their bier/pivo/cerveza.) The Anglo-Southern, Baptist/Church of Christ dominated counties, representing most of the state, were dry, although there was often a precinct that was wet, so that the residents of dry areas could get a drink.
58 posted on 11/21/2013 8:08:00 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Travis McGee

You did an excellent job on this video Travis. I’ll be sharing it with friends.


59 posted on 11/21/2013 9:04:13 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: FBD

Bookmark


60 posted on 11/21/2013 9:09:56 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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