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Family returns home from funeral to find stranger has moved into their house
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 30 November 2013 | DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Posted on 11/30/2013 5:39:46 PM PST by moonshinner_09

A family Ohio were in for a nasty surprised after they returned from a visit out-of-town visit to a dying relative to find someone else had moved into their house. Their outrage has now turned into a court battle, pitting them against a man who says he has the court documents to prove the house is now his. Robert Carr moved into the home that had been occupied for 21 years, changed the locks and emptied the house. Scroll down for video... When the family confronted Carr, he showed them a document he filed with the the County Court. It's called a 'quiet title' and lays claim to the property because Carr says the family abandoned the house and gave up all their rights.

The family members have said they are too afraid to be identified. 'What he's looking for is full title and ownership of the home,' the family's attorney, Alison Warner, said.

Carr expects to pay nothing to keep the home. 'He's in their home. They don't know when he's there. He can be there now,' Warner said. WLWT has uncovered 11 other instances where Carr has filed the same paperwork. Seven of the cases were filed on the same day. 'When you abandon a property and don't want anything to do with it, somebody can come in and take it,'' Carr WLWT. 'I have a team of people who go out and I say make sure the house is empty. If it's empty, change the locks,' Carr said. 'Anybody can do it.' The family from Springfield who don't want to be identified say they feel violated. 'I'm very scared, you know, because I never know if somebody's going to be here,' the homeowner said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: carr; donutwatch; ohio; robertcarr
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He has has been charged with breaking and entering in one case of disputed ownership but he is even fighting that charge.

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more hope and change

1 posted on 11/30/2013 5:39:47 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Wouldn’t a Quiet Title action require personal service of the Complaint before the court would have jurisdiction?


2 posted on 11/30/2013 5:42:45 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Needs a load o buckshot right in the a$$.


3 posted on 11/30/2013 5:43:50 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: moonshinner_09

That’s crazy if someone can leave their house of 21 years to see a dying relative and come back to find out that they’ve been kicked out because some stranger says he now owns the house!


4 posted on 11/30/2013 5:44:42 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

IDk.. I’d be testing the laws about shooting an invader at this point.

It’s my house a$$hole. Leave or you will find yourself with a few more holes.


5 posted on 11/30/2013 5:47:03 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

I think I see the technical “loophole” ... if you’re gone from your house and it’s seen to be vacant, these kinds of people can take over your house and file court papers saying that it’s abandoned. The remedy is to always have someone in the house so it is never vacant! ... :-) ...


6 posted on 11/30/2013 5:49:38 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

It’s called breaking and entering claiming squatters rights. I would escort the perp into the street under arms and then shoot him. As long as their are not witnesses, the problem is solved.


7 posted on 11/30/2013 5:49:49 PM PST by DownInFlames
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To: moonshinner_09

If you are in my house when I come back from a funeral, you had better never come out cause I’m going to kill your ass.


8 posted on 11/30/2013 5:51:19 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: DownInFlames

So let’s see...if you broke into your own house and this occupier tried to get you to leave and you shot and killed him, would that be home defense? Confusing!

The guy needs to be given an “education”, he’s obviously been studying Pelosi-Reid style law way too much.


9 posted on 11/30/2013 5:52:38 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: DownInFlames

Not that I agree with what has been done here - but in regards to what you say - someone who was smart and slick about it (in taking over the house) would always have two or three people around as witnesses, be armed himself ... and ... if any altercation happened, call the police immediately, who would then arrive, look at the legal paperwork, and say, “It’s a civil matter and you’ll have to fight it out in court.”

If the previous homeowner tried to “do anything physical” about it, without going to court - then he would be subject to being arrested.


10 posted on 11/30/2013 5:55:01 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: All

I don’t agree with this guys action one bit, but I will say his group is classified by the southern poverty law center as extremists, which to me means anything the southern poverty law center says, I take the opposite.


11 posted on 11/30/2013 5:55:10 PM PST by willywill
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To: moonshinner_09
One of many reasons to leave someone at the house
during the funeral, riding “ShotGun”

I've done this before.

Watching the cars slowly driving by,
looking at you, is priceless

12 posted on 11/30/2013 5:55:56 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: moonshinner_09

This is absolutely nuts — if they have been getting mail there and utilities are in their name and their possessions have been there and they have been paying property taxes then this guy is nothing but an interloping burglar.


13 posted on 11/30/2013 6:01:45 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Starstruck

Anyone in my house uninvited, gets dead. If I’m home and I don’t want him there, dead. If I walk in on someone in my house that I dont want there, dead. My house. I can prove it.


14 posted on 11/30/2013 6:02:56 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: moonshinner_09

This is bullshit. The actual owner has the deed in his name.

I’d kick this guys ass down the road a few miles. Or call the cops as someone breaking and entering.


15 posted on 11/30/2013 6:03:11 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Star Traveler

File a criminal complaint of breaking and entry, trespassing, theft, etc. Break down the door, move in and force him to get you out.


16 posted on 11/30/2013 6:04:23 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: moonshinner_09

I’m surprised that someone hasn’t popped a cap on this ahole.


17 posted on 11/30/2013 6:04:41 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: headstamp 2

I know, in a situation like this, if someone shows court paperwork to the effect that he has a right to the house - then the cops are going to defer to the courts and tell all parties to “work it out in court”.

I’ve been in enough situations, which are not exactly like this, but in which there is “legal paperwork” which shows different than someone else is claiming. The cops are not going to act on that. The courts will have to act on that.


18 posted on 11/30/2013 6:07:26 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Afterguard

Exactly. I’m not going through some court procedure to figure out who owns my house. I will go through a court procedure on why I shot the dude.


19 posted on 11/30/2013 6:07:28 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: moonshinner_09
A family Ohio were in for a nasty surprised after they returned from a visit out-of-town visit

Who writes this stuff?

20 posted on 11/30/2013 6:07:41 PM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: moonshinner_09
The are white sovereign groups and black sovereign groups, such as the Nawaubians.

Oddly enough, the SPLC does not even mention the Nawaubians, who are larger and more prone to violence.

21 posted on 11/30/2013 6:08:37 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Jess Kitting

Who writes this stuff?

______________________

The perennially ignorant.


22 posted on 11/30/2013 6:08:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Petrosius

As I said up above ...

Not that I agree with what has been done here - but in regards to what you say - someone who was smart and slick about it (in taking over the house) would always have two or three people around as witnesses, be armed himself ... and ... if any altercation happened, call the police immediately, who would then arrive, look at the legal paperwork, and say, “It’s a civil matter and you’ll have to fight it out in court.”

If the previous homeowner tried to “do anything physical” about it, without going to court - then he would be subject to being arrested.


23 posted on 11/30/2013 6:09:06 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: moonshinner_09

Why can’t the family file criminal complaints against the guy — breaking & entering, grand theft, forgery, are just a few that come to mind.. and have him arrested.

They can certainly prove the house is theirs — they must have real estate tax receipts, utility bills and so on.


24 posted on 11/30/2013 6:09:45 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: moonshinner_09
A family Ohio were in for a nasty surprised after they returned from a visit out-of-town visit to a dying relative to find someone else had moved into their house.

Was the writer drunk??

25 posted on 11/30/2013 6:10:01 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Innovative

Not if he trashed them


26 posted on 11/30/2013 6:10:13 PM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Star Traveler
That’s crazy if someone can leave their house of 21 years to see a dying relative and come back to find out that they’ve been kicked out because some stranger says he now owns the house!

Only the 16th Amendment is crazier!

27 posted on 11/30/2013 6:10:39 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Star Traveler

I would take my chances with the jury after I capped his junkie ass.


28 posted on 11/30/2013 6:11:06 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: cableguymn
IDk.. I’d be testing the laws about shooting an invader at this point.

Exactly...force him out at gunpoint and then sue him for theft of the home's contents. Ignore his filings and stick to law enforcement actions and get the best lawyer in town -- AFTER you regain possession of your home.

29 posted on 11/30/2013 6:12:52 PM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: HangnJudge

How long does a family need to be away from home for this to happen? Would a two hour shopping trip run any risk of it??


30 posted on 11/30/2013 6:14:52 PM PST by varmintman
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To: cableguymn

Ditto that!


31 posted on 11/30/2013 6:14:54 PM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Star Traveler

Where the hell do you live, New York?


32 posted on 11/30/2013 6:15:06 PM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: moonshinner_09

From another article:

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/210345/sovereign-citizen-moves-into-ohio-familys-home-while-theyre-out-of-town-claims-he-owns-the-place/

“Carr has done this with several “abandoned” homes in the area, which has resulted in him having charges of breaking and entering filed against him. However, he “rejects” these charges and sends them back to the police with “rejected” and “offer not accepted” written across the indictments.”

And exactly WHY doesn’t the police just go and ARREST him — now if a criminal “rejects” the charges they don’t get arrested?!


33 posted on 11/30/2013 6:15:27 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Star Traveler

Show the police your deed. Do not do anything physical, do not try to eject the trespassers just refuse to leave and file the criminal complaint.


34 posted on 11/30/2013 6:17:14 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: moonshinner_09

If this happened to me it would turn out to be a very bad day for the squatter.... Very bad indeed.


35 posted on 11/30/2013 6:17:19 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Chickensoup

They can get copies of receipts — they can probably just printed them off the internet or call the utility companies, etc.


36 posted on 11/30/2013 6:17:31 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

As I said up above, if the guy knew he was “in for a fight” (which he should know in that situation), then he would be prepared with two or three other gunmen in the house, just waiting for an altercation - and then the police would be called while he was “holding out” and firing return shots at you ...

The following is what I said up above ...

Not that I agree with what has been done here - but in regards to what you say - someone who was smart and slick about it (in taking over the house) would always have two or three people around as witnesses, be armed himself ... and ... if any altercation happened, call the police immediately, who would then arrive, look at the legal paperwork, and say, “It’s a civil matter and you’ll have to fight it out in court.”

If the previous homeowner tried to “do anything physical” about it, without going to court - then he would be subject to being arrested.


37 posted on 11/30/2013 6:18:09 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Petrosius

The deed is probably inside the occupied house in many or most case


38 posted on 11/30/2013 6:19:35 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: moonshinner_09

A couple of empty mags with Hornady 230grn JHP would settle the issue.


39 posted on 11/30/2013 6:20:37 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Star Traveler

The house had been foreclosed on by the bank and the people were moving to another state but were still in the house at that time.


40 posted on 11/30/2013 6:21:54 PM PST by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: Petrosius

When you have conflicting paperwork, and one is a “recent order” from a court from just a few days ago, the police are going to tell everyone to “fight it out in court”.

There was a reason that the guy moved everything out of the house - so that the returning people couldn’t claim that the things inside belonged to them. All he would have to do is show the recent court paperwork, and then the receipts for the furnishings inside, plus the fact that the utility bills had been changed to him - which you could do in a mere hours on a business day - and the police just aren’t going to do anything about it.


41 posted on 11/30/2013 6:22:30 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Innovative

“And exactly WHY doesn’t the police just go and ARREST him — now if a criminal “rejects” the charges they don’t get arrested?!”

Because he’s black.


42 posted on 11/30/2013 6:22:48 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Afterguard

In Oklahoma ...


43 posted on 11/30/2013 6:23:41 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: moonshinner_09

You know what my response would be?

I would chortle, clap my hands, and exclaim, “Oh look! Another funeral!”


44 posted on 11/30/2013 6:24:30 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Marcella

We’ll ... their goose is cooked then! It will be a court fight between that guy in the house and the mortgage holder then!


45 posted on 11/30/2013 6:25:37 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

He just filed the paperwork, it doesn’t sound like the Court acted upon it yet, so it should have no legal right, until the Court decides, until then the original owners own it — I am just trying to use common sense....


46 posted on 11/30/2013 6:25:48 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: varmintman

Is this some sort of crazy Ohio law or are there other States that allow this crap.

This guy could count on me sitting outside 24/7, if he ever left his crap would be on the street when he got back.


47 posted on 11/30/2013 6:27:34 PM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Black Agnes

I’ve been in situations with the police where there is “conflicting information” and each side is making competing claims. They’re just going to tell the people to “go to court”.


48 posted on 11/30/2013 6:27:44 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Jess Kitting
Who writes this stuff?

Who edits this stuff?

49 posted on 11/30/2013 6:29:23 PM PST by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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To: moonshinner_09

In the old days, when the law actually served the people, you would simply visit the Sheriff, who would ride up on his horse, challenge the squatter, and drag him out by his hair if necessary.

It was probably this way up until the 1970’s (minus the horse) until the liberals started abusing the law and the Great Society and turned everything upside down.


50 posted on 11/30/2013 6:29:57 PM PST by bolobaby
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