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Kiev: Government Buildings Under Siege
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3/12/13 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 12/02/2013 10:36:41 PM PST by Eleutheria5

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To: Eleutheria5; cornelis; GeronL
It is also, for good or bad, an assertion of Ukraine's sovereignty, as it firmly denies its former joint-at-the-hip status with Russia. That, in fact, will be the lasting outcome, as the EU is not likely to accept Ukraine any time soon, -- too large.

We now have seen two vectors, Russia heading into Asia, Ukraine into Europe.

I have a few more collections for your enjoyment. Sorry, no translation from me, but if one or two intrigue you, ask.



Long reports at the links, many photos, some videos:

Link 1: Toward the bottom, scenes inside the occupied City Administration. Observe self-appointed militia on guard against looters.
Link 2: confrontation with police, demonstrators trying to break to the Presidential palace. Some citizens try to stop violent provocations.
Link 3: Diverse confrontation scenes around the city. The giant green cone was supposed to be a Christmas tree, used as pretext to disperse the demonstrants; they, however, came right back.

51 posted on 12/03/2013 5:18:43 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

It was noted, that the “police” facing the bulldozer were in fact young Army recruits. The cops were hiding way back.


52 posted on 12/03/2013 5:22:54 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; andyk; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bibman; Bigg Red; bigheadfred; ...

Useful links at 38, 51.

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant debates.


53 posted on 12/03/2013 5:26:05 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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swinging a chain around like that, lucky if you don’t get shot


54 posted on 12/03/2013 5:27:12 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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Yes, and somewhere in there is a picture of what a helmet looks like after contact with the chain. It was, according to the citizen-reporter, a provocation that was neutralized. The storming of the palace did not succeed.


55 posted on 12/03/2013 5:30:19 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Eleutheria5

So, will Vlad step in?


56 posted on 12/03/2013 6:15:07 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: annalex

bump


57 posted on 12/03/2013 6:25:52 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: annalex

It doesn’t looks like a peaceful gathering and police are pretty much restrained considering how violent the mob is.
I guess organizers want police to shoot on protesters to cry “violence!”.


58 posted on 12/03/2013 11:10:35 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: annalex

Scary photos. Not looking forward to the when those scenes come here.


59 posted on 12/04/2013 4:53:59 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: cunning_fish
From my Link 2:

12. Next a very strange thing began. The bulldozer was surreounded by people who did not allow it to contionue the assault. The majority of the mob was against clashes with police, even more so since the front was young soldier recruits. For about an hour there were local skirmishes. Those who favored violence would beat up who prevented the bulldozer crushing people. Eveyone accused everyone of provocations, but the result was that the bulldozer was not allowed to continue the assault. On the left there are soldiers, the bulldozer is surrounded by peaceful protesters and they do not allow it to begin an assault.


13. The radicals try to build a corridor for their bulldozer and sooner begin the assault, but it is not working out. At one moment a people's deputy climbed the bulldozer and tried to calm people down. He said that people with bats are provocators who want a massacre. "Not a drop of blood" -- the crowd began to chant. "F*ck off, traitor" -- the youth responded to the deputy and started throwing coins at him. The deputy promised people a peaceful version of overthrowing the government without casualties. Generally in the crowd there were many opposition deputies who together with the plain folks stopped the bulldozer and tried to prevent clashes. Good work -- but is it possible in our country? [the writer is Russian].


14. A crowd of youths dragged people trying to block the bulldozer and beat them up. On the left see a metal rod; one young moron decided to use it to crush the head of a peaceful protester who fell down. Good that the photographs who were nearby stopped the moron.


That seems the only violent scene initiated by the protesters, or provocateurs therein. Generally, you see peaceful protest. Note the national flags everywhere rather than various party banners.

From Link 1:

26. In the City Administration building, new order is quickly established. This is interesting. When I observed the revolution in Kyrgyzstan, the demostrators carried out everything from the buildings they took over, including the embellishments. They looted and burned everything on their way. In Kiev, the occupiers themselves blocked all hallways that lead to the offices and the upper floors, so that no one wlaked there or god forbid steal something!

27. On the left you can see display cases -- this is a gift museum. Not a single gift was touched! Not one widnow was broken inside. Incredible!

(Translated from Russian).
60 posted on 12/04/2013 5:44:47 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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Well, I chose the three photos with violent scenes, perhaps foolishly. The correspondent writes:

In Kiev it is indeed a revolution now. The city is taken by the opposition. There are no indifferent, and there are no representatives of the opposition. I am trying to explain. This looks more like a big national holiday. Imagine as if Russia won a world soccer championship. everyone comes out to celebrate! Even those who never viewed soccer before is happy with the rest. The cars toot their horns, people run around tiown with flags, greet one another and hug. So this is the atmosphere today in Kiev. There is euphoria, joy and anticipation of victory. It is very cool. One feels that the walls are coming down, that for sure tomorrow will be better than today, even everyone knows it is but the beginning.

If a week ago people were divided into those who wanted Europe and to those who is closer to Russia, then today no one is thinking about that at all. If before the main slogan was "Ukraine, that's Europe", then now: "Criminal out! Criminal out! Re-vo-lution!" The "criminal" is Yanukovitch. He had several convictions so they tease him "criminal". People are really united against the acting power. The reason was the dispersal of peaceful protesters.

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My Link 1 at the top

This has been a test of Ukrainian nationhood and I think they are passing the test.
61 posted on 12/04/2013 5:55:16 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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What do you see as the ultimate outcome? So, is it that they just want to get rid of the corrupt guy and joining the EU is just a peripheral issue? Do you see Putin getting aggressive?


62 posted on 12/04/2013 11:08:34 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: annalex

Thanks for the ping!


63 posted on 12/04/2013 4:09:00 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Bigg Red; cornelis

The ultimate outcome that I am sure about is that Ukraine has developed as a sovereign nation, that will in the foreseeable future trend Westerly. Russian Federation can now write off any idea of a voluntary re-union with Ukraine and is more firmly trending toward Asia where it sees itself as an important player. Further, Putin’s USSR 2.0 will be more clearly seen as an anti-Russian political fiction, that can only survive till the Russian nation regains its nationhood. Unfortunately, the mood in RF is ugly as even the opposition continues to see Ukraine as some kind of possession. That bodes ill to the revival of nationalist Russia, which can only survive if it overcomes its Soviet impulses.

The EU does not want Ukraine as a full member; they are too big and too socially conservative. Nor is that of paramount importance for the Ukrainian people; they would much rather get European trade without European bureaucracy.

It is possible that Eastern Ukraine — the Donetsk Basin and Crimea, — will separate and maybe join the RF. A war in unlikely; a little show of force in the style of South Ossetia exercise of 2008 is possible. The outcome for these regions is unclear.


64 posted on 12/04/2013 5:23:57 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Very interesting. They say Yanukovich is in China, confident in a secure Kiev!


65 posted on 12/04/2013 5:39:26 PM PST by cornelis
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That could be; clearly the demonstrators do not have an option of force. But the deed has been done: the government is dead.


66 posted on 12/04/2013 6:00:31 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Okay. Thanks for your analysis.

May God protect the Ukrainian people. They surely have suffered in the past.


67 posted on 12/05/2013 7:17:42 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Bigg Red

Amen.


68 posted on 12/05/2013 5:53:44 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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