Like Englishmen and Scots,
or Welshmen and Scots
or Japanese and Scots
or Scots and other Scots
Damn Scots!
They ruined Scotland!!
Posted on 12/05/2013 2:49:25 PM PST by naturalman1975
After nearly 400 years of symbolising four nations united in one flag, what would the Union Flag look like without the blue and white of the Saltire?
The question is being posed by flag experts after a poll found nearly 65 per cent were in favour of changing the flag if Scotland votes Yes to independence.
The vexillologists, as they are known, have come up with designs that could replace the familiar red, white and blue flag.
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But that would mean removing the recognition of Northern Ireland from the flag (which is also a Christian symbol), and treating an English flag as if it was a British flag, which would diminish its value as a flag for those cases where England is a separate entity from the United Kingdom.
Bah! Change the blue to green for Wales and islam.
Les Frogs have dibs on the white one........
I always liked that the US flag had the same colors as Britain’s. And yes, Wales should be recognized.
Did Canada change it’s flag?
I’m thinking of that old song “The Thistle, Shamrock, Rose Entwine the Maple Leaf Forever” (something like that!).
My mother told me that used to be Canada’s national anthem but they changed it because it left out the French.
I was never sure if the flag actually looked the way it is described in the song.
Oh well, I am a conservative, I don’t ever want anything to change, but change is part of life.
I love flags, I understand why it might need to change. But I really did not like those pink and black ones, nor that kind of multi-striped thing. They’ll have to think long and hard about it.
Do you think if Scotland gets independence that they’ll get their act together and stop being a nation on the dole? They used to be amoung the most industrious people, I think they’re a wreck now. Can they change that? I hope so.
I know I rambled on and on in this post!
The UK never enacted a Flag Act. It would cost too much to change the design and I think they’ll keep it for historic reasons.
And many countries associated with the former British Empire, Australia and New Zealand have the Union Jack in the upper right hand canton - as did Canada prior to 1964 when it flew the Canadian Red Ensign as its national flag.
Subnational units - Hawaii and the Canadian provinces of Manitoba and Ontario have the Union Jack in the upper right hand canton of their flags. Its a classic design and is not going to ever be altered.
what state are you in , Idaho?
(laughing with French accent!)
Why would they want to follow Scotland? Scotland as an independent nation is barely viable. Wales would be a joke, unless it became some sort of Swiss-style tax haven. It’s just too small with little in the way of natural wealth. At least the Scots can sue for North Sea oil and gas etc.
Also, they don’t have as much of an ideological feud with London. The government of the UK usually represents where Wales is politically at the period in time, whereas unless its full blown commie 100% of the time, it doesn’t represent Scotland. Though Wales has a Labour bent, its not as extreme as Scotland. Both Wales and Northern Ireland are content to remain united with England for the time being it seems.
Meanwhile, if the Scots vote for what Salmond is selling they’ll actually be less independent. They want to keep the currency, but give up any say in the administration of the money supply.
Whatever they do, the entire island is screwed. Islam left and right, political correctness at insane levels, mass exodus of native population, debt out of control, NHS bankrupt. A little like us, Britain lives off its good name and good name alone. Nothing beyond that.
Canada has two national anthems - O Canada - in French and English though they are not literal translations of the other.
The one written in 1908 by Sir Robert Weir displaced all the others in English Canada. O Canada was not made official until 1980.
The cost issue can be addressed easily enough by simply saying that flags will be replaced only as they need to be replaced.
Legally, the mechanism for changing the Flag is a proclamation by the Monarch.
And many countries associated with the former British Empire, Australia and New Zealand have the Union Jack in the upper right hand canton - as did Canada prior to 1964 when it flew the Canadian Red Ensign as its national flag.
Yes, and they could retain it, because it symbolises their historic link to the nation that created their nations. Their flags would not change to reflect a change in the Union Flag because the presence of the Union Flag does not reflect a current legal link, only an historical one.
Subnational units - Hawaii and the Canadian provinces of Manitoba and Ontario have the Union Jack in the upper right hand canton of their flags. Its a classic design and is not going to ever be altered.
So do all the Australian states, but again, that's a reference to their history, and there would be no reason to change that reference to their history.
The Confederate flag as well as a lot of state flags such as Alabama and Florida all came from the Cross of St. Andrew.
I know, I know. I was making a snarky, and completely irrelevant reference to something Arlen Specter once said.
I was making a snarky, and completely irrelevant reference to something Arlen Specter once said.
Arlen Specter — of the “magic bullet” and “magic cigar” fame?
Did Canada change it’s flag?
Somewhat complicated, that question. The current Canadian flag dates from 1965. In a strict legal sense, Canada did not have a national flag prior to that date. There was a Canadian Red Ensign (with the Union Flag in the corner and the Coat of Arms of Canada in the fly on a red field) that was commonly used to represent Canada, but it did not have the status of a national flag (unlike the other Dominions of Australia and New Zealand which had full legal status in law).
My mother told me that used to be Canada’s national anthem but they changed it because it left out the French.
It was never officially Canada's National Anthem, but in the days when 'God Save the King/Queen' was the anthem of all the British Empire, it was one of the songs that was sometimes used to differentiate Canada when a separate anthem was needed - but so was "O, Canada." "O, Canada" basically won when King Edward VIII stood at attention for it, as he would have for "God Save the King" when dedicating a Canadian war memorial in 1936, and this act was repeated by his brother in 1939. It officially became the Canadian National Anthem in 1980, although the Canadian government had announced it as their choice in 1967.
I love flags, I understand why it might need to change. But I really did not like those pink and black ones, nor that kind of multi-striped thing. They’ll have to think long and hard about it.
That's one reason I like the first design better than the others. It's no more complex than the existing one - and the colours have meaning.
Do you think if Scotland gets independence that they’ll get their act together and stop being a nation on the dole? They used to be amoung the most industrious people, I think they’re a wreck now. Can they change that? I hope so.
I don't know. If independence really lead to a resurgence in national pride, that would be a good thing - but I fear it will just lead them further down the path to unified Europe than anything else.
good luck with the constitutional amendment needed for legal secession.
Of course the US could just sell y’all back to Mexico, since we bought Texas (and California) from Mexico.
by what name will this new entity be called?
England Wales and Ulster.
United Kingdom of Great Britain minus Scotland
and Ireland minus the Republican parts.
or something else?
Ditto and add Alabama to that list.
Most likely - “The United Kingdom of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.”
Wales et al. are a separate concern.
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