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Ron Johnson on Obamacare: "We've got to start talking about transitioning."
NRO ^ | Dec, 9, 2013 | NRO

Posted on 12/09/2013 10:30:31 AM PST by cornelis

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To: vmivol00

When your choice is Romney or Obama, you can either hold your nose and vote for the liberal Republican, the socialist POTUS, or stay at home.

The “stay at homer” purists gave us this second term.

It amazes me how conservatives hold politicians in disdain, recognizing the fundamental corruption of the system, yet demand ideological purity. It’s an ozymoronic approach that is leading us to ruin.

I hated Romney as a candidate, but I wish fervently that he were POTUS today.


21 posted on 12/09/2013 10:46:45 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

It’s working just fine for me.


22 posted on 12/09/2013 10:47:36 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Jedidah
The “stay at homer” purists gave us this second term.

Nope. Not even close. The GOP does not own my vote, they are not entitled to my vote.

If the candidate cannot attract more voters than the other guy, the blame is on the candidate not the voters.

23 posted on 12/09/2013 10:48:34 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: cornelis

In other words, what do you do with all of the takers getting Medicaid or subsidized plans when you pull the plug and they freak?


24 posted on 12/09/2013 10:49:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cripplecreek

How did they get rid of the Jim Crow laws? Was there a transition phase? Or did people decide the laws were unjust? How did they decide? It took television to show people being firehosed and dogs sic’d on them. People need to see, read, hear, and experience what it will be like with no medical care, no doctors, etc. Those conservatives who challenge the RINOs need to always - always - discuss that and bring that into the conversation. Thsi guy Johnson sounds like another Scarborough.


25 posted on 12/09/2013 10:50:28 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: GeronL

The only “purists” are the lying, manipulative bottom feeding “moderates” who will happily toss a race to the democrats and sit back to say “See we told you so”.

Nuthin but boot licking kapo scum.


26 posted on 12/09/2013 10:51:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cornelis

Sounds like he transitioned himself to the category of Quisling.


27 posted on 12/09/2013 10:53:10 AM PST by SIDENET
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To: Jedidah

The GOP must make NO into an action.

The GOPe claims we grassroots conservatives are the “talkers” and they take “action” but moderate policy has never been the real action that needs to be taken.

The real action that needs to be taken.

TOTAL REPEAL OF OBAMACARE.


28 posted on 12/09/2013 10:54:13 AM PST by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: GeronL

Strange birds on FR, too.


29 posted on 12/09/2013 10:56:02 AM PST by cornelis
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To: Jedidah

The point is that the discussion should be that government has no business in the health care business. Every conservative should start off with that simple statement. When questioned what is the solution, the answer is to inform people that they are responsible for thier health care, get government out of it, inform people that they are responsible for thier health care, cut the regulations, inform people that they are responsible for thier health care. The point is to continually inform people that they are responsible for thier health care.


30 posted on 12/09/2013 10:58:12 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: vmivol00

Have you noticed that Weekly Standard is now a pay site, and NR isn’t. Also, NR just lost their start reporter..Robert Coasta..who has amazing contacts in the GOP on the hill, and has had some very big scoops. He’s going to the WaPo..taking Beezos bucks...


31 posted on 12/09/2013 10:58:23 AM PST by ken5050 (iT'LL)
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To: cripplecreek

What am I missing, here? NRO fuzzes up what I think he is saying...

1. Repeal
2. Dismantle
3. Transition (into a Republican question mark.)

Johnson sounds pragmatic to me. As for the state exchanges, states are already in charge of opting in or opting out on the exchange concept, right?


32 posted on 12/09/2013 10:58:25 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: cornelis
He says that his approach, acknowledging the reality of the new structures put in place by Obamacare and offering a positive alternative, might be summarized as “repeal, dismantle, and transition to something better.”

And that "something better" is...?

33 posted on 12/09/2013 11:01:50 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Jedidah

If Romney and his Obama love fest, non-campaigning, lying self had somehow amazingly convinced people he was trustworthy enough for office, we’d already have amnesty along with fully functioning obamacare websites which would have already been renamed Romneycare.

It amazes me how many people who call themselves conservative don’t recognize a Fabian socialist with an ancestry of radical socialism just because the clown has an (R) next to their name.


34 posted on 12/09/2013 11:06:31 AM PST by Waryone
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To: Jedidah

Yes, I don’t get the impulse to twist on Johnson either, but for the sorry focus of the NRO’s delivery of any clarity to the point he is making.

Republicans have yet to offer anything but a question mark for their alternative plan and Johnson is more than ready to get cracking on that.


35 posted on 12/09/2013 11:09:45 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Payoff? Or threats? I have wondered if the GOP is not making noise about the illegality of Obama’s decrees because the purpose of the NSA’s early work during his administration was to collect enough dirt on the GOP to immobilize them while he sets up his reign. It might mean he has dirt on almost every GOP or it might mean he got enough dirt on enough GOP that he threatens the party as well as the individual. The “dirt” doesn’t have to be true. If the NSA has the access it does, it’s almost impossible to refute planted evidence. But sadly, I think it’s dirt on an individual basis - as if most congresscritters are unethical.


36 posted on 12/09/2013 11:09:55 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: Nextrush
The business interests wanted the new health care system to relieve their financial burdens and the GOPe does not want to dismantle any part of it that looks good in focus group polling.

Not to mention that the insurance companies salivating over 30 million new customers.  They will fight against its repeal as hard as any democrat activist.

37 posted on 12/09/2013 11:14:16 AM PST by MNnice
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To: Jedidah

The problem is, Johnson thinks its “permanent” law. It’s a problem.


38 posted on 12/09/2013 11:14:17 AM PST by cornelis
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
....transition to the free marketplace...

That might be what he's talking about. Those websites could be used to sell non-mandatory catastrophic-only policies and it could be used for insurers to advertise non-mandatory policies they design accoring to what consumers want. If the feds are going to offer subsidies for these NON-MANDATORY policies, that eligibility could be determined at these websites.

If Obama only had a brain, this could be a way out.

39 posted on 12/09/2013 11:16:37 AM PST by grania
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To: Jedidah

And you think Ron Johnson’s repeal/dismantle/transition is going to work? Is it going to get enough Senate Democrats on board to override Obama’s veto?

Obamacare is built like a house of cards. Every special benefit that was added was counterbalanced against some kind of fee, tax or rate hike. There’s not much you can keep in without have to keep in the other part that balances it, and then the part that balances that part, and so on. Not that that balancing is actually working in practice. But this idea of “keeping parts” of Obamacare doesn’t even work on paper, unless it was something so narrow that it could be in a one-sentence bill (like the rule about having to cover 26-year-olds on parents’ plans). The exchanges are such a complex part of Obamacare, if you keep those, you’re pretty much keeping the whole bill.


40 posted on 12/09/2013 11:18:11 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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