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Some Thoughts on the Budget Deal
National Review ^ | 12/11/2013 | Yuval Levin

Posted on 12/11/2013 10:10:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 12/11/2013 10:10:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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"The latter point depends on your view of user fees—I generally think funding government services through user fees is much better than doing so through general revenue,"

While I agree that a user tax is preferable to an income tax, let's not kid outselves that both aren't equally taxes and both generate "general revenue". The plan calls for spending increases now, tax increases now and promised "savings" to occur somewhere down the road. I've seen this movie before.

2 posted on 12/11/2013 10:19:36 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

Looking at the graph, it restores growth in spending to the same slope as before the sequester cut in, with the proposed offsets kicked down the road to a future Congress to implement.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 10:26:10 AM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Honestly, five years without a budget and Yuval Levin
thinks there is ever going to be one with Obama in office.
It will be a long stream of continuing resolutions until
a republican is president again. Then it will be demanded
by the same people who are keeping one from passing now.


4 posted on 12/11/2013 10:30:22 AM PST by Slambat
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To: SeekAndFind

Its 10 years to break even spending money we don’t have and promising not to spend money we don’t have down the road. Of course the dumbles agree. They get their increased spending and only have to promise to cut later.

What a GREAT plan....after 10 years we end up back where we are...


5 posted on 12/11/2013 10:31:44 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Spending increases in 2014 and 2015 and cuts over ten years, most of which will never happen. It is just a smokescreen for increased spending.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 10:35:20 AM PST by kabar
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To: circlecity
Having federal employees have to pay more into their pensions offsets the user fees IMO. That's a good thing.

Also, no income tax hikes. Surprised the Dems didn't push for that.

No Gov't shutdown possibility before elections...also a good thing.

7 posted on 12/11/2013 10:36:24 AM PST by what's up
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House Republicans have completely pissed away their majority and their principles.

The minute they took over in 2011, they should have passed a real budget with specific, deep cuts in spending, total tax reform, repealing Obamacare, and putting SS, Medicare, and Medicaid on a fast track to privatization.

They should have refused to pass ANY legislation unless those criteria were met.

8 posted on 12/11/2013 10:38:43 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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I like it because a government shutdown would only hurt Republicans more and make Obama and Democrats come out smelling like roses.

Under current political circumstances, this is the best deal conservatives could get - modestly smaller government or least putting the country on that road.

Without their having to commit political suicide and that’s a meaningful victory! In the meantime, Obamacare remains the political albatross around the Democrats’ necks in 2014.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 10:38:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"Having federal employees have to pay more into their pensions offsets the user fees IMO."

It only offsets it if the savings are used to reduce taxes in a commensurate amount. As it is the savings by having the federal employees pay more are just being spent somewhere else.

10 posted on 12/11/2013 10:39:29 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who believes the budget deal will increase the spending TEMPORARILY has failed to learn Santayana’s dictum.


11 posted on 12/11/2013 10:43:02 AM PST by MortMan (We've gone from ‘failure is not an option’ to ‘failure is not an obstacle’.)
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To: circlecity
I didn't necessarily mean literally offsetting dollar for dollar.

What I meant was that Federal employees having to pay more of their pension is WORTH a hike in user fees (IMO).

It's entitlement reform...a very small one...but reform nonetheless.

12 posted on 12/11/2013 10:54:01 AM PST by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind

What I see in that graph is the Dems get a bump in discretionary spending that just happens to coincide with the 2014 Election.


13 posted on 12/11/2013 11:05:44 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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the idiotic GOP appears desparate to strike a deal, any deal just to show they are “doing something”.

The fools have already gotten into place Sequester budgeting which forces decreases to spending. They do not need to do anything but let it play out.

instead, they are increasing spending.

Don’t they know that Americans realize more prosperity when Congress is a do-nothing Congress?


14 posted on 12/11/2013 11:09:58 AM PST by bestintxas (Obamacare = Obamascrewed)
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To: SeekAndFind

Author has a point, another shutdown is a loser.

Be glad Dems didnt demand even more.


15 posted on 12/11/2013 11:12:17 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: circlecity

Not all user fees are the same. If you are paying for a fee for a service that actually provides you some value, maybe. If it’s a fee for a “service” you are required by law to purchase whether you want to or not, this is surtax.


16 posted on 12/11/2013 11:32:56 AM PST by DManA
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"If you are paying for a fee for a service that actually provides you some value, maybe."

Isn't that what I'm supposedly paying taxes for?

17 posted on 12/11/2013 11:36:24 AM PST by circlecity
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As Levin points out, the cuts to come later are through entitlement reform. It will take a positive act to reverse them. Usually, cuts to come later are in discretionary spending, which takes a positive act in the future.


18 posted on 12/11/2013 11:53:04 AM PST by stop_fascism (The USA needs a second party.)
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"As Levin points out, the cuts to come later are through entitlement reform. It will take a positive act to reverse them."

And I have no doubt that both sides would take the positive acts necessary to do this. They are doing it now with the sequester cuts, why wouldn't they do it in the future?

19 posted on 12/11/2013 11:59:19 AM PST by circlecity
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“I like it because a government shutdown would only hurt Republicans more and make Obama and Democrats come out smelling like roses.”

I don’t understand this mentality that the GOP MUST avoid a shutdown at all costs. By definition, this puts us in a weakened position with any negotiation, which is why we end up with such a horrible deal.

With the president’s poll numbers at their lowest point ever, and his credibility all but lost with the American people, Repubs are not the ones that should be cowering in the corner trying to avoid a fight. If they’re not willing to fight under these conditions, when will they ever?

No, the House leadership promised only 6 weeks ago not to worry about abandoning the Obamacare fight, because they would ABSOLUTELY hold the line on sequester-level cuts. Now, they are all too willing to break these promises and throw away the one bit of fiscal restraint we’ve had in recent years.

With trillion dollar annual deficits, we should be fighting for DEEPER cuts than the sequester levels, and should never even consider accepting a dollar more. But of course, that would require a leadership that actually believed in reducing spending. And we haven’t had that since Newt was in charge.


20 posted on 12/11/2013 12:35:02 PM PST by lquist1
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