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Florida Becomes Third State to Pre-File
Convention of States ^ | DECEMBER 10, 2013

Posted on 12/11/2013 5:43:15 PM PST by dontreadthis

Good news from the Sunshine State! Florida State Senator Alan Hays (R-Umatilla) filed SM 476 on Friday petitioning Congress to call an Article V Convention of States.

Senator Hays stated, “Everywhere I go, people ask me what can be done to reform Washington, D.C. This petition to Congress to convene the Article V convention is the first step toward that reform. This ‘runaway’ Federal government is of great concern to Americans of all political parties and of all the states.”

In filing the legislation, Senator Hays continued, “In their wisdom, our Founders knew the Federal Government might one day become too large and too powerful, so they specifically inserted a mechanism that gives states a lawful and orderly instrument to restrain a runaway federal government; it’s Article V, Section 2 of the Constitution.”

So far, Florida, Virginia, and South Carolina have officially pre-filed our application in their state legislature. We have many more representatives interested in sponsoring our application, so be looking for your state as we announce more pre-filings in the next few weeks!

These are huge steps towards calling a Convention of States, and we’re taking them right on schedule!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: South Carolina; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: articev; florida; southcarolina; virginia
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ARTICLE V PING!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 12/11/2013 5:43:15 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: dontreadthis
Hate to be a fuddy dud, but wouldn't we need 38 states to move on this?

If I'm mistaken, please correct me. I can't count 38 red states...can y'all?

2 posted on 12/11/2013 5:47:48 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: dontreadthis

I would like to have the capital moved to “Inhospitable, Wyoming” to start with.


3 posted on 12/11/2013 5:51:14 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: dontreadthis
Who in the nazi government of the U.S. has any regard for the Constitution, amended or not?

It's going to take more than a Constitutional Convention.....

4 posted on 12/11/2013 5:51:45 PM PST by stboz
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To: servantboy777

They say be careful what you wish for...


5 posted on 12/11/2013 5:52:01 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: servantboy777

No, 34 needed to call the COS. That is, 34 to get together and formulate amendments.

THEN, and only then, are 38 needed to ratify. States ratifying need not have attended the COS.


6 posted on 12/11/2013 5:52:06 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: dontreadthis; Travis McGee

Be careful what you ask for ConCon ping!


7 posted on 12/11/2013 5:53:14 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dontreadthis

REALLY BAD, BAD IDEA.

There is a better, MUCH SAFER way to do this.

The BEST way to reign in these CRIMINALS, is simply to repeal the 17th amendment.

(Which “progressives” and other “statist” criminals forced through, counting on the ignorance of the population at large.)

Crap would change over night.

If you don’t understand this post, you don’t understand how this Republic was constructed.

Don’t mean to be arrogant, but I DO mean for everyone to THINK, and then figure out what I have just posted, on their own.


8 posted on 12/11/2013 5:53:41 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: stboz

If we had enough right minded people, we wouldn’t need a Constitutional Convention.

What we need is a bit more fail, so that the fedgov is more discredited, and people get educated to become right minded. Barak Obama is just what we need.


9 posted on 12/11/2013 5:53:45 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: servantboy777
I can name 50 states that chafe under an oppressive, consolidated government in Washington, DC.
10 posted on 12/11/2013 5:54:12 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V Amendment Convention is our only hope.)
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To: stboz

The COS is not a Constitutional Convention. The US has had only one of those, and probably will never have another one.

In the scenario of a CW-II, THEN after that finishes, from the ashes, perhaps a Constitutional Convention might arise. More likely, IMHO, would be anarchy and/or dictatorship.

In the meantime, we have the COS. It is Constitutional by definition, and has the SOLE purpose of formulating and proposing amendments for possible ratification.


11 posted on 12/11/2013 5:54:57 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Baynative; Jacquerie

ping a ling


12 posted on 12/11/2013 5:55:35 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: servantboy777

how many states would agree on term limits, just take a guess


13 posted on 12/11/2013 5:58:47 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: donmeaker
“I would like to have the capital moved to “Inhospitable, Wyoming” to start with.”

That would be a sacrilege! Leave it where it is, Detroit on the Potomac!

14 posted on 12/11/2013 6:02:35 PM PST by vette6387
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To: dontreadthis
Lots of states would agree. The folks that would NOT agree are the targets, that is, Federal office holders such as Sinators and Congresscritters. However, they don't get to vote. States (legislators) do. What aspiring young STATE legislator wouldn't want to limit the incumbants in DC to the extent that it makes it more feasible for that STATE legislator to possibly move up the ladder to a federal seat?
15 posted on 12/11/2013 6:02:49 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

there are only 2 ways to repeal the 17th Amendment, and one of those ways is never going to happen. The other way is what this is all about.


16 posted on 12/11/2013 6:03:01 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: donmeaker

We need to pass an amendment that everybody is entitled to free healthcare.</s>


17 posted on 12/11/2013 6:03:09 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: dontreadthis

Think what the free sh*t army (which twice elected obama) could do with this...


18 posted on 12/11/2013 6:03:28 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: dontreadthis

Texas?


19 posted on 12/11/2013 6:03:41 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

if that’s an honest guess, then you should be posting on the Succession thread


20 posted on 12/11/2013 6:05:55 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: ConradofMontferrat
The BEST way to reign in these CRIMINALS, is simply to repeal the 17th amendment.

Sounds great! Now, how are you going to do it... an Executive Order? Pass a law... the Affordable Repeal The 17th Act?

No, you'll need an amendment.

Is Congress going to propose one? Not likely...

So, one more avenue to pursue: Convention of States whose purpose is to reign in the Federal (aka, National) government, and THERE, an amendment can be discussed, configured, written, and then proposed for ratification.

21 posted on 12/11/2013 6:06:51 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: dontreadthis

The South always leads the way.


22 posted on 12/11/2013 6:06:53 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

“Julia, your health care and retirement plan are both over there by the ditch.”


23 posted on 12/11/2013 6:07:03 PM PST by donmeaker
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To: dontreadthis

Yea, I wuz bein a lil snarky.

Succession does sound awful good though.


24 posted on 12/11/2013 6:11:25 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: dontreadthis

“if that’s an honest guess, then you should be posting on the Succession thread”

What ‘Succession thread?’ Who or what is succeeding whom or what? I mean, it makes sense that amendments are in successive or sequential order; and that presidents succeed their predecessors. Are you alluding to a thread that discusses who will succeed Obama?


25 posted on 12/11/2013 6:13:37 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: servantboy777

No, just 34 - and to get there we need 3 - then 4 - then 5


26 posted on 12/11/2013 6:15:29 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: ought-six

The Succession thread follows the Secession thread.

Geez...


27 posted on 12/11/2013 6:18:05 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: C210N
So 34 state legislatures need to approve a bill in their lower houses, send to upper chambers for approval then off to the governors office for signature?

I don't pretend to know the process, but this usually is the legislative process.

Seems like a HUGE hurdle to get 34 states to pass such a bill, put a convention together and then have a supermajority of 38 states ratify the results of the convention.

28 posted on 12/11/2013 6:22:03 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: ought-six

secession.
thanks


29 posted on 12/11/2013 6:22:30 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: servantboy777

Clearly, the amendment topics and wording will be critical. The more states at the COS the better - they’ll all have an a-priori leaning towards at least some of the proffered amendments. Consider that states have lost a LOT of power since the 17th, and they know it. They are burdened, each and every one, with around 25% of the budgets forced by the “feds” (ie, Nationals) to cover Medicaid. The States, and probably lots of dem states, are chomping at the bit to limit the feral government.


30 posted on 12/11/2013 6:26:01 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: impactplayer

Hey, I really don’t want to be so cynical. It just seems like such an uphill battle.

This is a constitutional conservative push for the most part.

I think of states like Maryland, California, Oregon, Vermont, New Jersey and the like and there are so many liberals, progressives, socialists, commies in their state houses.


31 posted on 12/11/2013 6:28:26 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

The “bill” you are referring to, to participate by sending delegates (known as “commissioners”) to the COS, need not be controversial. These are just bills determining how that particular state is to chose commissioners, how they provision them with instructions, how they keep them in line, how they can recall them, how the alternate commissioners are chosen and how they take over when needed, and so on. Indiana’s bill is a few pages long, and a good quick read... nothing controversial in it.


32 posted on 12/11/2013 6:29:07 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: servantboy777

the Governors are not involved in the Amendment proposal process nor in the ratification of Amendments, only the legislatures are.
However, as was recently done in Indiana, the Governor (Pence) did sign legislation governing the selection, duties, and recall procedures for delegates to the Article V convention.


33 posted on 12/11/2013 6:36:50 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: servantboy777

34 states


34 posted on 12/11/2013 6:40:09 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: servantboy777

27 Republican-controlled Legislatures
17 Democratic-controlled Legislatures
5 Split Legislatures
1 Officially non-partisan (Nebraska)
50 Total
“Split” means that either the two chambers have different majority parties (e.g., Democratic Senate and Republican House), that one chamber is evenly split between parties, or that a coalition or “hung” chamber has occurred.
In several states, the party that controls the state legislature may not be the one that usually wins the state in presidential elections. Also note that due to politics, a party with a numerical majority in a chamber may be forced to share power with other parties due to informal coalitions, or outright cede power due to divisions.
The table below shows total state government control, which means the governor and the chamber majorities are all of the same party


35 posted on 12/11/2013 6:42:48 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: dontreadthis

V


36 posted on 12/11/2013 6:48:59 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Obama is a proven liar)
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To: stboz
The Constitution is NOT the problem.

The Tyrants in D.C. are not the problem.

. The no information voters who elect them are the problem.

If we can't elect representatives, and Senators who will honor the oath they took to support, and defend the Constitution, 100 more ammendments won't change anything.

The only thing that will save this Republic is the hand of our Lord, and Savior Jesus Christ!

We had all better be on our kees praaying!

37 posted on 12/11/2013 6:57:41 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: dontreadthis
Senator Hays stated, “Everywhere I go, people ask me what can be done to reform Washington, D.C. This petition to Congress to convene the Article V convention is the first step toward that reform.

Is Congress even involved in an Article V action by the states? My understanding was that Congress would have nothing to do with such an undertaking. Which, to my mind, is desirable -- since Congress is, itself, part of the problem.

38 posted on 12/11/2013 6:59:28 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

Article V states that the States must petition Congress to hold the convention. Congress has the obligation to “tabulate” the individual petitions from each State to determine if the 2/3 requirement has been met. That is to say, that 2/3 of the States are petitioning on the SAME issue or issues.
After that, the Congress MUST call for the convention and is essentially no longer involved with the convention.


39 posted on 12/11/2013 7:05:43 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: ConradofMontferrat

A Constitutional Convention would be like walking into the jaws of a dinosaur. It is a very bad idea. DO NOT DO IT.


40 posted on 12/11/2013 7:10:12 PM PST by Rapscallion (Repeal Obamacare. It is a loser.)
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To: C210N

from the Forbes article:
The great jurist Learned Hand, in 1944, gave a brief, immortal speech, The Spirit of Liberty, before a million and a half people in Central Park, New York, on “I Am an American Day.” Hand observed:
“ I often wonder whether we do not rest our hopes too much upon constitutions, upon laws and upon courts. These are false hopes; believe me, these are false hopes. Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can even do
much to help it. While it lies there it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it.”
Judge Hand is a figure esteemed as much by the left as by the right. Saul Alinsky cites Hand in Rules for Radicals. An Article V amendment process is a function of citizen dignity — ‘power to the people.” It leans neither left nor
right. It is federalism at its finest. It has, and will have, humanitarian populist proponents (and, also, not-always-so-populist opponents) on the left as well
as the right.


41 posted on 12/11/2013 7:16:23 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: donmeaker

Gillette would be a great place.


42 posted on 12/11/2013 7:21:27 PM PST by D Rider
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To: dontreadthis

I agree with the sentiment. However, the people never had 100% virtue, don’t have it now, and never will. Indeed, only about 33% of the 3,000,000 Americans around the 1770’s and 1780’s were interested in Liberty. Would guess that no more than 33% today are interested in it as well. But, those that do care need the tools to defend it... and Constitutions, laws and courts will have to do for now.


43 posted on 12/11/2013 7:21:45 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: dontreadthis

stupid idea, enforce the Constitution as written.

Vote the RINOs out of office!


44 posted on 12/11/2013 7:24:51 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dontreadthis
After that, the Congress MUST call for the convention and is essentially no longer involved with the convention.

That's what I wanted to hear...

45 posted on 12/11/2013 7:36:03 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: C210N

exactly, and like you say, the 33% figure is what founded the country, so there is no shame or hesitation that it should be 33% who restore it.


46 posted on 12/11/2013 7:38:42 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: okie01

http://www.scribd.com/doc/126641416/Article-V-Handbook


47 posted on 12/11/2013 7:40:16 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: Rapscallion

Amen


48 posted on 12/11/2013 8:19:02 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: dontreadthis

Thanks for the confirmation. I feel much better now.


49 posted on 12/11/2013 9:01:25 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Repeal The 17th

See what you started at FR?


50 posted on 12/12/2013 1:05:37 AM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V Amendment Convention is our only hope.)
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