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Keeping The Focus on Obamacare, and The Jobless Obama Economy
Townhall.com ^ | December 13, 2013 | Donald Lambro

Posted on 12/13/2013 10:02:48 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/13/2013 10:02:48 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin; Liz
And GOP has been given a great gift here to move on Dems territory : unmarried wimmin voters, and others

Dems took away your doctor. Dems took away your health care”

If nothing else they will stay home

2 posted on 12/13/2013 10:06:49 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Kaslin

The only thing to like [not hate] about this is that is does indeed remove the power of the purse from the Senate Dems - which they had effectively stolen.

Hence the focus of DC can be 0bamacare and the nightmare it is as we roll toward 2014.


3 posted on 12/13/2013 10:09:13 AM PST by Principled (I am tired of a lawless government. I want a government restrained by the Constitution [Irenic])
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To: sickoflibs
"And GOP has been given a great gift here to move on Dems territory.

Of course the GOPe was given gift wrapped issues such as Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and the IRS. All sure to tip the next election in the GOP's favor. What ever happened to these?

4 posted on 12/13/2013 10:12:44 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: Kaslin

I heard some real world-class dumba$$es on Hannity last night

One guy kept saying the his beloved Obama had “cut the deficit in half” and “given health care to millions”

And talked about “what are WE going to do about people who don’t have insurance? as it is is OUR problem and only “the government” has solutions for everything.

And these were no stupid-sounding people.

And I am getting VERY tire of everyt BLACK guest saying “can i finish my statment” 100 times whenever you interupt to point out they are factually incorrect

(yes it is MOSTLY black guests I hear saying this- I dont know why, its not a racist thing, it is just what I SEE )


5 posted on 12/13/2013 10:15:47 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it. Period.)
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RE :”Of course the GOPe was given gift wrapped issues such as Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and the IRS. All sure to tip the next election in the GOP’s favor. What ever happened to these? “

None of those took away voter's doctors after the Dems promising that it wouldnt.

This is the big one. At least through the next election

6 posted on 12/13/2013 10:19:25 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: sickoflibs
"This is the big one. At least through the next election"

I pray that you are correct.

7 posted on 12/13/2013 10:21:23 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: Kaslin

The bottom line is that this bill increases the deficit and spending and grows the government. It does not solve one single problem... this bill is meaningless unless you want compromise for the sake of compromise. Cruz says this, Rush says this, Levin says this and I say this. You can disagree but we are correct about exactly what I have stated above. Republicans have never won an argument or an election compromising with the dims... to quote clinton... “Not one single time”.


8 posted on 12/13/2013 10:23:56 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: buckalfa; Liz

Not promising anything after next election however Obama delaying some pain till after that could be like money in the bank for us, hurting them even more later.

GOP theme needs to be :”Obamacare took away your....Obamacare cancelled your ...”


9 posted on 12/13/2013 10:25:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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Oh and wasn’t it the same CBO that stated that OBAMACARE WILL ONLY COST 924 BILLION DOLLARS OVER 10 YEARS????? Does anyone trust their math any longer??? More like 22.5 billion in cuts over ten years... not 85 billion and that figure is probably a lie.


10 posted on 12/13/2013 10:25:50 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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Sure, the media will be beating up the Dems... LOL!

The meme this election will be 'how to fix obamacare'. The Dems will offer the most generous 'fixes' and responsible modifications will be greeted with"The Republicans want to cut your health care!" by the Dems and the media.

And this deal has nothing to do with that anyway. A shutdown could have been avoided without raising spending above the sequester levels. Until the Leadership and Ryan agreed to this deal. They intentionally made a shutdown inevitable and futile in any attempt to stop the spending increases.

"Battered wife" syndrome indeed...

11 posted on 12/13/2013 10:30:31 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith; NFHale; Liz; Impy; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; Perdogg; GOPsterinMA
RE :”The meme this election will be ‘how to fix obamacare’. The Dems will offer the most generous ‘fixes’ and responsible modifications will be greeted with”The Republicans want to cut your health care!” by the Dems and the media.”

Republicans dont have to jump into that trap, of calling for that next year.

Bachmann had a great idea : GOP should come out for repealing all the mandates on insurance except the exchanges.
And to say the exchanges are for the *uninsured*

Call it the “Freedom to pick the insurance that is right for you act”

Stick on that for a while. It kills the exchanges and its populist too.

It keeps the focus on Obamacare cancellations.

12 posted on 12/13/2013 10:40:43 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: buckalfa
please see #12
13 posted on 12/13/2013 10:45:00 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Kaslin

There are times when it becomes necessary to move tactically in a undesirable direction in order to succeed strategically.

This is such a time. Obamacare, as it continues to roll out with predictable impacts and results, is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

Accepting, tactically, this budget deal in order to get it off the table is acceptable if doing so results in a GOP House AND Senate in January 2015 that can pass and send spending real reductions to Obama.


14 posted on 12/13/2013 10:49:57 AM PST by tanknetter
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Republicans should call to remove the pre-existing condition mandate so they won't get ""Republicans want to cut your health care!" as a response?

I don't see ANY responsible modification being greeted otherwise. Obamacare is just too much of a fantasy.

15 posted on 12/13/2013 10:50:17 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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RE :”Republicans should call to remove the pre-existing condition mandate so they won't get “”Republicans want to cut your health care!” as a response?”

My idea works with that.

The exchange policies keep that mandate as with the other mandates. Any anyone can join them but they are primarily for *uninsured*.

The companies outside the exchanges can offer what they want.

If people want policies to pay for others pre-exists they can go to exchanges.

16 posted on 12/13/2013 10:58:57 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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The way not to fall into the trap is to not give the Dems and the media an alternative to shoot at. Which is why the Dems are becoming increasingly shrill in their demands that the GOP produce an alternative.

The GOP needs to do little more than insure that the Dems OWN this fiasco. The media might have been powerful, but there’s not a heck of a lot they can do to tell people that “no, you really aren’t losing your coverage and doctor and your costs aren’t rising” when all of that is actually happening.


17 posted on 12/13/2013 11:01:01 AM PST by tanknetter
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RE :”The way not to fall into the trap is to not give the Dems and the media an alternative to shoot at. Which is why the Dems are becoming increasingly shrill in their demands that the GOP produce an alternative”

That might work for a while but it wont forever because then you fall into “At least Dems are trying to makes things better...” trap again that Dems used last year.

You offer something that gives Americans more freedom. Something that keeps focus on cancellations.

The key is when the media asks the GOP where their plan is to meet all these goals Obamapromised, they have to respond with “Obama care doesnt do any of that. It does the opposite. We are trying to clean up Dems mess.”

18 posted on 12/13/2013 11:10:50 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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I think one of the BS parts of Obamacare is that there will be increased government employment over it with our tax dollars.
Didn't the most recent jobs report say half the new jobs were from government? Well that is trouble.
19 posted on 12/13/2013 11:14:14 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Respectfully, that won’t work when “trying to make it better” is having a real impact that’s actually making it worse.

How do you tell someone that things are being made better when they, as individuals, have lost their insurance, lost their doctor and seen their costs skyrocket?

That may fly to people who aren’t being impacted, but Obamacare has, is, and is continuing to hurt members of the very audience who are being told it’s really helping ...


20 posted on 12/13/2013 11:23:16 AM PST by tanknetter
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